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Sep 7, 2019 11:17:42   #
PeterS
 
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...

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Sep 7, 2019 11:22:36   #
Iliamna1
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)


Just the fact that the driver of car A re-engaged the driver in car B sped up and shot him is premeditate to me . . . it was murder.

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Sep 7, 2019 11:31:21   #
Hug
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths murderbehind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)

Murder!

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Sep 7, 2019 11:32:30   #
Hug
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
Just the fact that the driver of car A re-engaged the driver in car B sped up and shot him is premeditate to me . . . it was murder.


Of course.

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Sep 7, 2019 11:32:35   #
Lonewolf
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)


Murder

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Sep 7, 2019 11:59:50   #
Big dog
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)


Murder. First a bottle and then a bullet. No self defense since he started the violence and could have avoided the suv

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Sep 7, 2019 12:14:24   #
Iliamna1
 
I find it interesting that both conservatives and liberals are agreeing on this one.. I wish we could agree on more.

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Sep 7, 2019 12:24:43   #
badbob85037
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)


I wouldn't have thrown the bottle. There isn't a driver out there that hasn't cut another off without knowledge. Second degree murder.

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Sep 7, 2019 12:32:12   #
Gatsby
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)


From the facts presented, the driver of car A should be charged with both murder and manslaughter;

after hearing all of the evidence, from both sides, a Jury of 12 should make the final determination.

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Sep 7, 2019 12:33:05   #
Kevyn
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)

Texas, a self cleaning oven.

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Sep 7, 2019 12:35:03   #
rumitoid
 
PeterS wrote:
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting that was caused by road rage. The short form of the story is that car A (a large SUV with 3 side windows) cutoff car B and car B retaliated by throwing a bottle that broke the backside (last) window. The driver of car A then slowed down and was several lengths behind car B when he then sped up and the driver of car A shot and k**led the driver of car B.

Now my question is would this be manslaughter or murder. Myself, I am leaning toward murder because the driver of car A pulled behind car B and was clearly out of danger when he decided to speed up and reengage car B. So what do you think? Should the driver be charged with murder or manslaughter or nothing...
Recently in Dallas, there was a freeway shooting t... (show quote)


Murder, in that out of danger he decided instead to reengage in a highly threatening way. Maybe even self-defense.

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Sep 7, 2019 12:42:42   #
Iliamna1
 
rumitoid wrote:
Murder, in that out of danger he decided instead to reengage in a highly threatening way. Maybe even self-defense.


You can't equate a bullet to a bottle thrown at a back window. It was murder, not self-defense.

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Sep 7, 2019 13:17:09   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
Just the fact that the driver of car A re-engaged the driver in car B sped up and shot him is premeditate to me . . . it was murder.



But it was seconds or at most a few minutes. First degree murder might be a stretch. Any defense lawyer would emphasize that.

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Sep 7, 2019 13:19:04   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Kevyn wrote:
Texas, a self cleaning oven.


Kevyn thus treats us to another example of why he should be ignored.

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Sep 7, 2019 13:34:42   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Kevyn thus treats us to another example of why he should be ignored.


I was thinking along those same lines. I***tic.

But to the thread, murder.

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