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Sep 2, 2019 12:16:52   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Kevyn apparently thinks that these things can simply be acquired by the waving of a magic Liberal wand.



Kevyn as usual is spot on.. the only people who are doubters of renewables refuse to see the facts..

Even the f****l f**l companies are investing in renewables, China and India are leading the world as the United States once did.

The advances are now being done in those countries rather then our own.

We need to return to the status of world leader, both in developments and production.

International relations are a shambles.. most everything now needs to be repaired and we as a nation need a full recovery..



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Sep 2, 2019 12:21:40   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
I thought only President Trump had a magic wand, because he needed it to do the great things he's been doing for the economy.

The "liberals" will just have to hope their magic unicorn comes through for them. 😁



That "magic wand" remark has been explained to OPP many many times..

If you paid attention you would not bother with such foolish remarks..

foggy day in Duluth...
foggy day in Duluth......

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Sep 2, 2019 12:23:11   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
ExperienceCounts wrote:
And just how much did it cost, and how can I afford it on my Social Security into which I have paid over 51 years often at minimum wage? My so called entitlement which is now a drain on the economy. Where will I get the money for that new cell in that high rise that we'll all live in when my home and land become property of the state? Oh, that's right, I won't be here by then, because as a part of the nonproductive workforce, I'll be given the required option of self removal so an undocumented worker can take my place in society. And in case you don't get it, the mechanisms to put this in place have already started in some states...currently on a volunteer basis. Hail...Hit__!

And just in case you don't get it, this is intended to be sarcasm.
And just how much did it cost, and how can I affor... (show quote)




Strange words coming from such an experienced person...



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Sep 2, 2019 12:42:32   #
Seth
 
permafrost wrote:
That "magic wand" remark has been explained to OPP many many times..

If you paid attention you would not bother with such foolish remarks..


From Obama's lips to your ear?

Are you saying that while every tiniest thing Trump says needs to be dissected by the entire media and every political southpaw from coast-to-coast, when Obama speaks it is in parables?

C'mon, now...

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Sep 2, 2019 12:53:42   #
ExperienceCounts
 
permafrost wrote:
Strange words coming from such an experienced person...


Duh! Actually...you forgot to read the last line. Going to join me in the new utopia?

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Sep 2, 2019 12:56:36   #
Openmind
 
[quote=ExperienceCounts]And just how much did it cost, and how can I afford it on my Social Security into which I have paid over 51 years often at minimum wage? My so called entitlement which is now a drain on the economy. Where will I get the money for that new cell in that high rise that we'll all live in when my home and land become property of the state? Oh, that's right, I won't be here by then, because as a part of the nonproductive workforce, I'll be given the required option of self removal so an undocumented worker can take my place in society. And in case you don't get it, the mechanisms to put this in place have already started in some states...currently on a volunteer basis. Hail...Hit__!

And just in case you don't get it, this is intended to be sarcasm

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Sep 2, 2019 15:00:42   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
From Obama's lips to your ear?

Are you saying that while every tiniest thing Trump says needs to be dissected by the entire media and every political southpaw from coast-to-coast, when Obama speaks it is in parables?

C'mon, now...



Now you understand the difference that is so obvious to the rest of the world..

as for the quote...

thinkprogress.org/trump-fabricates-obama-quote-gdp-growth-e612c61b0331/

rump appears to be paraphrasing remarks Obama made during a PBS town hall in June 2016. Obama referenced Trump’s promise to bring back manufacturing jobs, and said, “Well, how exactly are you going to do that? What exactly are you going to do? There’s no answer to it.”

“He just says, ‘Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.’ Well, what, how exactly are you going to negotiate that?” Obama continued. “What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn’t have an answer.”

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Sep 2, 2019 15:13:29   #
Tsion1953
 
permafrost wrote:
Tis the continuation of a 7 year trend.. trumps undermining efforts are making a downturn of the cycle sooner rather then later....

So let us consider the economy if trump had not been in the picture at all.. as in never president..


He came into a booming economy. If he’d done nothing, and we continued on the same trajectory, the Dow would be at 30,000, unemployment would be below 3%, and the deficit would be below $500 billion.

But he did do something, and now the Dow is at 26,000, unemployment is almost 4%, and the deficit is projected (by the White House) to top $1 trillion this year. Wages are down relative to inflation, and we’re borrowing money from China to bail out farmers who can’t sell to China because of the trade war, which is also causing American businesses to close or move overseas.

So based on his handling of the economy alone, I think he ranks 44th. Until Biden takes office in 2021, then he’ll drop to 45th.
Tis the continuation of a 7 year trend.. trumps un... (show quote)


Why are you posting absolute unt***hs? If Trump has done anything he has saved the economy. It was stagnate for 8 years. The coal industry was shut down. Obama heaped new regulations on the country that were unprecedented. Your entire post is false. The people who are working again get it. I think this e******n is going to be a blowout no matter which one of the ultra l*****ts are representing the National Socialist Democrats. Trump will win big. My fear is someone is going to try to take him out ala Clinton style.

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Sep 2, 2019 15:50:35   #
Seth
 
permafrost wrote:
Now you understand the difference that is so obvious to the rest of the world..

as for the quote...

thinkprogress.org/trump-fabricates-obama-quote-gdp-growth-e612c61b0331/

rump appears to be paraphrasing remarks Obama made during a PBS town hall in June 2016. Obama referenced Trump’s promise to bring back manufacturing jobs, and said, “Well, how exactly are you going to do that? What exactly are you going to do? There’s no answer to it.”

“He just says, ‘Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.’ Well, what, how exactly are you going to negotiate that?” Obama continued. “What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn’t have an answer.”
Now you understand the difference that is so obvio... (show quote)


Well obviously, Trump did, and does, have an answer.

So not only does Obama not have a magic wand of his own -- he's only got a badly malfunctioning unicorn -- but his forecasting prowess falls deeply into doubt, as well.

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Sep 2, 2019 16:21:23   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Tsion1953 wrote:
Why are you posting absolute unt***hs? If Trump has done anything he has saved the economy. It was stagnate for 8 years. The coal industry was shut down. Obama heaped new regulations on the country that were unprecedented. Your entire post is false. The people who are working again get it. I think this e******n is going to be a blowout no matter which one of the ultra l*****ts are representing the National Socialist Democrats. Trump will win big. My fear is someone is going to try to take him out ala Clinton style.
Why are you posting absolute unt***hs? If Trump ha... (show quote)


The only ones who can not grasp the t***h and call my post false are the members of the orange cult..

Perhaps you live in one of the bad parts of our nation and did have a bad recovery.. if so, I am glad things are better..

In most of the nation, recover was slow and difficult but study and put the economy back to best in the world.

In Minnesota, we led the nation in job creation in 2010, by 2012 we had business paying hiring bonus and were short of worker by 2014/15..

the solitary thing positive that trump did was give a mountain of money to the very rich, which they used to buyback stock and drive the market to a high level, if trump had not started the trade war and placed poorly thought out tariffs, the market would be even higher..

All the other economic indicators are only a continuation of what President Obama left us with..

i can post data all day which show this to be true, also the unrest now affecting the business world, jobs creation slowing, investment slowing, bond pricing indicates new worry..

After continuous growth for 7 years under President Obama and 2 1/2 years under trump, the downturn will be with us shortly.

Hopefully, it will be a minor one and nothing like another great recession of 2008...



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Sep 2, 2019 16:26:53   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
Well obviously, Trump did, and does, have an answer.

So not only does Obama not have a magic wand of his own -- he's only got a badly malfunctioning unicorn -- but his forecasting prowess falls deeply into doubt, as well.




See my last post to the new guy...



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Sep 2, 2019 16:54:47   #
Seth
 
permafrost wrote:
See my last post to the new guy...


Yeah, so? The same dubiously arrived at conclusions forecasting doom and gloom for the great Trump Economy®, with an identical veracity quotient to the Steele Dossier or the "lite" version of something former Enron advisor Paul Krugman might bang out, spittle running down his beard.

Meanwhile, the GDP's well up from its firm eight year ceiling during the Obama Fiasco©, unemployment is more than significantly down and, whether you like it or not, that's the way of it.

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Sep 2, 2019 16:56:06   #
badbob85037
 
Nuclearian wrote:
Democratic p**********l candidates are crisscrossing the nation claiming to be the champions of blue-collar workers and demonizing President Trump as the champion of the rich and powerful who doesn’t care about working men and women. But these claims have no basis in fact.

This Labor Day weekend is a good time to separate Democratic rhetoric from reality and see how the dramatically different policies that President Trump and his Democratic would-be challengers embrace would impact American workers.

A reality check shows that Trump policies encouraging domestic energy production have created jobs, strengthened our economy, and reduced the amount of money we must spend to import energy from other nations – including some hostile to our interests.

And a reality check also shows that while Democrats boast about their supposedly pro-worker policies, those policies would actually destroy millions of working-class jobs and devastate many communities.

For example, the 2020 Democratic p**********l candidates have all made a hard-left pivot on energy and adopted radical environmental policies like the Green New Deal. These policies would require massive regulation of how we live our lives, massive tax increases to raise trillions of dollars to implement and enforce these regulations, massive growth of government, and massive price increases on the products we rely on.

The policies of President Barack Obama look almost conservative by comparison.

There has never been a time in American history when mainstream political candidates for the presidency have embraced far-left Big Government policies as radical as the Democrats embrace today. These policies would create enormous change in our country – but despite what the Democrats say, it would be change for the worse.

Self-proclaimed socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. – a magnet for media coverage – was the first to outline this extreme eco-policy. She has inspired the entire 2020 Democratic p**********l field to embrace it.

Keep in mind that one of Ocasio-Cortez’s proudest accomplishments in her brief time in office was helping to persuade Amazon to cancel plans to build a second headquarters in her New York City congressional district. The headquarters would have created over 25,000 jobs with an average annual salary of over $150,000. Amazon said the highly paid workforce could have grown to 40,000 men and women in 15 years.

Ocasio-Cortez boasted that k*****g 40,000 jobs “defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation and the power of the richest man in the world.”

Yet Ocasio-Cortez’s “accomplishment” of depriving 40,000 people of jobs is nothing compared to the massive job losses her Green New Deal would cause. But apparently, she considers anyone who gets a paycheck is being “exploited.” Would she like to change the name of the holiday we celebrate Monday to Unemployment Day?

Every Democratic p**********l candidate has adopted at least some of the freshman congresswoman’s radical environmental ideas. The only candidate who didn’t was energy expert, scientist and former governor of energy-rich Colorado John Hickenlooper. He has since dropped out of the p**********l race, and that red f**g should alarm most thinking people.

Former Vice President Joe Biden has said he wants to ban offshore oil and natural gas drilling in Alaska, which would devastate that state’s economy. In fact, he favors banning new oil and natural gas leases on all public lands. This would move energy workers in places like New Mexico and Colorado from payrolls to the unemployment rolls.

Instead of branding himself “Middle-Class Joe,” Biden’s should be honest and call himself “Job-K*****g Joe.”

P**********l candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., says she will ban fracking that produces an abundance of oil and natural gas if she gets to move into the White House. That’s a tough message in Pennsylvania, a state with almost 300,000 people working directly and indirectly in this industry.

Warren can campaign in Pennsylvania by guaranteeing those 300,000 people that she’s made sure they will not be “exploited” by earning paychecks, as Ocasio-Cortez would put it.

Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is even more extreme. He’d spend over $16 trillion – an unimaginable sum that would come out of your tax dollars – on an eco-plan that requires ignoring reality.

How do you build wind turbines (which require hundreds of tons of coal to forge the steel and make the concrete that anchors them to the ground) while banning coal? How do you make solar panels (which require tons of rare earth materials) when you don’t allow mining on federal lands or don’t allow f****l f**ls to run excavation equipment?

The socialist senator has yet to be questioned seriously about the impossibility and unaffordability of his plans. It would just as realistic for him to propose we all grow wings so we can fly wherever we have to go, abandoning our cars and planes.

It’s no wonder that the labor movement – once the backbone of the Democratic Party – is aghast at what these so-called pro-labor candidates have embraced. The AFL-CIO, representing over 12 million workers, has slammed the Green New Deal as “not achievable or realistic.”

The Green New Deal would effectively lay off the 1.1 million Americans who work in coal, oil, and natural gas industries. And of course, these layoffs would hurt the spouses and children of the workers who would lose their jobs, along with businesses that provide goods and services to them – destroying even more jobs.

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka put it best when he said: “Simply demanding that plants, industries and projects be stopped or shut down, with no plan for the people who are put out of work, no call for shared sacrifice, and no dialogue or solidarity with those whose lives and communities are dependent on carbon-based fuels, that poisons the well politically.”

Showing solidarity with workers means supporting their livelihoods, not betraying them while living in willful ignorance of their contributions to our country.

But that’s exactly what these Democratic p**********l candidates do when they consume the fruit of energy workers’ labor – affordable, abundant, reliable, domestic energy – while simultaneously traveling around our nation on planes, campaign buses and cars powered by f****l f**ls.

The energy produced by oil, natural gas and coal makes everything in our economy affordable, from food prices to our cars. Thee low prices of f****l f**ls are made possible by the current boom in U.S. energy exports, which OPEC laments are “messing” with its plans to keep oil prices high.

When former Rep. Beto O’Rourke of Texas, yet another Democratic p**********l hopeful, changes a flat tire or makes a burger on Instagram as a publicity stunt he’s either ignorant or indifferent to the fact it’s all made possible by energy. After all, you need rubber for tires. The flame on his stove is powered by natural gas. Even the camera streaming the video is itself a product of f****l f**l and runs on f****l f**ls.

All the daily things we take for granted are made possible by energy workers. On Labor Day we owe it to them to celebrate their contributions.

Fill up your gas tank, light up the grill, watch football on TV – no matter what you do, you are saying “thank you” to millions of energy workers who power the nation, power our lifestyles, and power the future.
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It is just a shame America has more than it's share of stupid people.

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Sep 2, 2019 17:00:25   #
badbob85037
 
Seth wrote:
Yeah, so? The same dubiously arrived at conclusions forecasting doom and gloom for the great Trump Economy®, with an identical veracity quotient to the Steele Dossier or the "lite" version of something former Enron advisor Paul Krugman might bang out, spittle running down his beard.

Meanwhile, the GDP's well up from its firm eight year ceiling during the Obama Fiasco©, unemployment is more than significantly down and, whether you like it or not, that's the way of it.
Yeah, so? The same dubiously arrived at conclusion... (show quote)


Ceiling?

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Sep 2, 2019 17:06:52   #
Seth
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Ceiling?


Yeah, as high as our economic growth could go with Gilligan Obama at the helm.

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