The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

I do... and likewise.

I did, it’s now part of my original response to you... just about which part I thought Magoo hit the nail.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

OK....gotcha.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Just curious. I don’t remember if we ever discussed the EC.. are you a fan, or no?

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I think the e*******l college was a wise decision from our founders. I have never questioned the legitimacy of the Trump victory.

I suspect that the current discontent by liberals with the EC stems from the fact that the current President seems not to recognize that making enemies of the American v**ers who supported his opponent is just not a smart move. While I don't question his legitimacy, I do not appreciate that he thinks of me as treasonous and un-American. He has said so on enough occasions that I do question his approach to governing, not the way he was elected.

While the EC was instituted to prevent a tyranny of the majority, an EC victory is also not a license for the tyranny of the minority. From my perspective, that is how Mr. Trump governs.

The solution to this problem is for the American people to v**e him out of office by the popular v**e and the e*******l college v**e. That is my hope for 2020.

If the President wins by the EC again but loses the popular v**e, I can predict that the e*******l college will come under increasing pressure from the national popular v**e compact.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

I can appreciate most all of that. My only point of contention would be the very last part. I’m of the position that an argument can be made such a compact is unconstitutional, by way of it being in violation of at least Article I Section 10 Clause 3. A national popular v**e would be disastrous. If it were a wise idea surely the combined genius of the Framers would have provided for it.

dongreen76

Well, Proud Incurry- the e*****rial college has shown it's down side.Even though the popular v**e which epitomizes the concept of Democracy served its purpose and functioned to corroborate the concept of a Democracy,(barely).The e*****rial which is not a device that nesscesarily is as true to Democratic concepts as much as the popular v**e is, thwarted the system so grossly,it makes intelligent people wonder should it be discarded,should we have it any way.Knowing that how it is set up,it is the case that any of it's members, when they v**e do not have to v**e according to the way their constituency wants them to v**e.They can v**e their own private will and not the will of that particular congressional district and state that they represent.A will that came about do to a majority v**e in that particular congressional district and state-even if the e*****riate did,v**e his/her constituency's opinion,this would still be denominative as to the whole of the more pervasive national opinion.So the question goes ,why should we have a procedural process that contradicts the very foundations that defines us ,when in this case those very foundations were shattered .The e*****rial college which is not as representitive of a true Democracy as the popular v**e is, failed us miserably by sanctioning gross incompetence.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

But the were complaining in 2000 with Bush vs. Gore. Many have complained over the decades. I think we should keep it.

The distribution is entirely up to each state. It is not mandated that a state even have an e******n. The winner-take-all is a tradition, not a mandate. Maine give two v**es to the overall winner with each congressional district determining one. I think that's a good choice.

In 1960, John Kennedy's very narrow plurality (not majority) over Richard Nixon t***slated into a strong e*******l victory. Much the same happened in 1968 with Nixon-Humphrey with George Wallace taking a lot of southern states.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Good morning, Don. Just in case you didn’t know, the USA is NOT a democracy, never was, and by the grace of God, never will be. The e*******l college was chosen by the Farmers to prevent democracy. You should research exactly what the Framers thought about democracies. Democracy is not our foundation, and certainly doesn’t define us.

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Thank you Sonny, glad you're here!

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Good job, sir.

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Things that have worked for 240 years should be left alone.

debeda

Right on, PR

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I get your point. The various states cannot make a 'compact' without Congressional approval. That point, it seems to me, might conflict with the right of states in choosing their own e*****rs. If we get to the point where a compact of states throws their e*****rs in with the winner of the popular v**e, we may have a SCOTUS case on our hands. Until then, I see such a proposed compact in the same light as the call by some conservatives for a convention of the states.

I wouldn't describe a national popular v**e as disastrous. Most of the times the e*******l college and popular v**e align. Now, I wouldn't mess with the Constitution because I think that it is a genius move to have a popular v**e loser be allowed to govern. And I do mean genius. The main question for me is: does that person govern wisely?

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

The reason's that applied then apply now probably more than at any other time in history.
So, you want a popular v**e to guarantee a democratic POTUS. That means that 3 states out of 50 will choose the POTUS from that moment on.
THAT...is exactly the reason that the e*******l college exists. Thank god for the wisdom of our founding fathers.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

If I was Trump I would be very worried the Tariff war is Hurting Trump very badly. it is looking like he will lose WIS. Michigan, and Minn. and Ohio and Penn. His only hope is that someone runs as a third party to offset the independent v**e