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WHY EXTREME LIBERALS H**E CHRISTIANITY: IN TWO WORDS
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Aug 28, 2019 07:59:11   #
Cuda2020
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The Ongoing Homosexual Persecution of Christians
Bill Muehlenberg Feb 17, 2017

When I first became a Christian I started to seriously read the Bible for the first time. One thing that struck me right away were the warnings Jesus gave in the gospels about how his disciples would face persecution. Those were very alarming things that he said, and as a brand new Christian, I wondered how that would play out in my lifetime.

Back then I thought of some obvious candidates of this, such as Christians being persecuted in c*******t countries. I did not really think that the West would become the sort of arena about which Jesus was warning. But it certainly has. All over the West anti-Christian bigotry and persecution is breaking out, and some of the worst of this is coming from the militant homosexual activists.

I have documented this numerous times now both in many dozens of articles and even in books. And it keeps getting worse. So let me offer two more recent cases of rather blatant anti-Christian bigotry being carried out by the rainbow activists. The first has to do with a street preacher in Scotland who was arrested for speaking biblical t***h on the issue of homosexuality.

One report on this shocking case is worth quoting in full:

A Christian street preacher was locked up and charged with a h**e crime for quoting from the Book of Genesis in response to a gay teenager’s questions on how God views homosexuals. Gordon Larmour, 42, spent a night in custody and faced a six-month ordeal over the charges before they were finally thrown out in a hearing last month.

The father-of-one, who has been street preaching for seven years following his conversion to Christianity, was handing out leaflets in his home town of Irvine, Ayrshire, last June when a group of young men passed him, The Telegraph has reported. He told the men: “Don’t forget Jesus loves you and He died for your sins.”
One asked Mr. Larmour, “What does your God say about homosexuals?” He responded by referring to the Book of Genesis, stating that God had created Adam and Eve to produce children. The two men argued and Mr. Larmour claims that he was chased by the young man. However, it was he who was arrested and frogmarched to the police van before being held in police custody overnight, charged with threatening or abusive behaviour aggravated by prejudice relating to sexual orientation.

“I think the police should have handled it differently and listened to what I had to say. They should have calmed the boy down and left it at that,” Mr. Larmour told the Scottish Herald on Sunday. He added: “In court the boy’s friend told the t***h – that I hadn’t assaulted him or called him h********c names. I had simply answered his question and told him about Adam and Eve and Heaven and Hell. Preaching from the Bible is not a crime.”

At Kilmarnock Sheriff Court last month, Sheriff Alistair Watson agreed, acquitting Mr. Larmour of the charge. He also found him not guilty of a second charge of assault aggravated by prejudice relating to sexual orientation.

Mr. Larmour said: “I can’t see why I was arrested in the first place – it was a massive overreaction and a waste of everyone’s time. The police didn’t listen to me. They took the young homosexual guy’s side straight away and read me my rights.

“I feel they try so hard to appear like they are protecting minorities, they go too far the other way. I want to be able to tell people the good word of the Gospel and think I should be free to do so. I wasn’t speaking my opinions – I was quoting from the Bible.”

Andrea Williams, chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, said: “It is a great relief that the judge ruled in favour of Gordon, because the case simply did not stand up to scrutiny.”


There have been many other cases of Christians seeking to share t***h in the public arena, only to be arrested and jailed for doing so. That sure sounds like the sort of things Jesus warned about when he said that Christ-followers would be hauled before magistrates and so on.

The second story involves one brave Christian woman who I have written about several times before,

Sadly her saga is an ongoing one, with the latest court move against her a major concern. Here is the latest instalment in her story:

The Washington Supreme Court ruled unanimously Thursday that a florist who refused to provide services for a same-sex wedding broke the state’s anti-discrimination law, even though she claimed doing so would violate her religious beliefs.

Barronelle Stutzman, a florist in Richland, Washington, had been fined by a lower court for denying service to a gay couple in 2013. Stutzman said she was exercising her First Amendment rights.
But the court held that her floral arrangements do not constitute protected free speech, and that providing flowers to a same-sex wedding would not serve as an endorsement of same-sex marriage.

“As Stutzman acknowledged at deposition, providing flowers for a wedding between Muslims would not necessarily constitute an endorsement of Islam, nor would providing flowers for an atheist couple endorse atheism,” the opinion said. Stutzman’s lawyers immediately said they would ask the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the decision.

The National organization for Marriage said this about the ruling:

In an expected but nonetheless exceedingly disappointing decision, the Washington state Supreme Court ruled today that the state may punish a Christian florist, Barronelle Stutzman, for declining to violate her religious beliefs and be forced into participating in a gay ‘marriage’ that is against her religion. This outrageous ruling confirms what we have been saying ever since the US Supreme Court illegitimately redefined marriage in its Obergefell decision — the religious rights of people of faith are being systematically sacrificed on the altar of political correctness and L**T extremism.

The legal defence group assisting her, the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), said this: “This case is about crushing dissent. In a free America, people with differing beliefs must have room to coexist. It’s wrong for the state to force any citizen to support a particular view about marriage or anything else against their will. Freedom of speech and religion aren’t subject to the whim of a majority; they are constitutional guarantees.”

So we need to see how this case pans out. We need to keep her in prayer. I am not sure many other Christians could stand strong for four years as she has against the raging militants who are out to get her. She sure needs our support. And she certainly confirms what Jesus said about persecution being the lot of his real followers.

The only other thing to say is where are all the Christians speaking out on this? Not just these particular cases, but the whole raft of anti-Christian activism? We are losing our freedoms all over the place simply because we are staying silent on the things that matter. Michael Brown has just penned a new piece on the Stutzman decision. His closing words are worth sharing here:

Where is the righteous Christian indignation? And where are the bleeding-heart liberals who claim to care about the persecuted underdog? (Remember: The ACLU with its massive resources is leading the charge against Barronnelle.)

I can respect Christian leaders who try to stay out of the culture wars because they don’t want to drive their L**T neighbors and friends away from the gospel — as long as they speak up at times like this, when our fundamental liberties are being trashed and when a gracious Christian grandmother is being savaged by the state. But should they remain silent at a time like this, the next time they raise their voices on behalf of the L**T community (and against the conservative evangelicals they so frequently attack) they will be shouting one message to the world: “I am a hypocritical coward!”

Exactly right. The only thing worse than the ugly crackdown on Christianity is the shocking silence of those who should be speaking out for their faith and for religious freedom.
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I love when people speak up that their religious freedom has been denied because they don't have the religious Right to control others and spew their h**e and bigotry, let's be honest and call it what it is, h**e and bigotry which the Bible is full of and FYI, why people have turned away from the Bible. It is about taking away the rights of others, it is about making people feel shameful over something they have no control over and even if they do and they are not hurting anyone, what gives anyone the right to be in others bedrooms.

This is put forward by the viewpoint of some authors and their opinion, written as the word of God. All this does is promote rightous indignation and an alienation of brotherhood.

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Aug 28, 2019 08:07:01   #
Cuda2020
 
alabuck wrote:
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No. “True Christians” act in accordance with the teachings of God. “Personal Responsibility” is the antithesis to Christianity. Heretics and hypocrites “claim” to be Christians. But, their h**eful and self-serving actions speak far louder than their words ever could.


God tells us:

“Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter — when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood, as all of you are my children?

Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard. Then you will call, and the Lord will answer; you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.

If you do away with the yoke of oppression, with the pointing finger and malicious talk, and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday. The Lord will guide you always; he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail.

— Isaiah 58:6-11

Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.

— Isaiah 1:17

Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches?

— Isaiah 10:1-3

Oddly, I don’t recall hearing this kind of verbiage, from Isaiah, coming from the “True Christian” Republicans who post on this site. All I hear are demeaning and insulting remarks coming from the “Party of Family Values,” or the “Christian Right,” or the “Silent Majority.”
Their comments and remarks are anything but “Christian,” (never-mind being anywhere close to being “true”) in thought or written word.

This is the same party who, with proven and documented Russian help, elected a president who’s a proven and admitted adulterer, misogynist, thief, liar, grifter, r****t, and sexual predator, to name just a few of his illegal and immoral activities. So much for being “True Christians” for them. That they would want to elect someone like that to be their leader only reflects on their own deplorable minds and souls. They’re their own “lost sheep” being led around by their even more lost shepherd, Trumpet.

Again, “Personal Responsibility” is the antithesis to Christianity. We’re suppose to NOT think of ourselves first, but to think about how to care for others, first; before ourselves. Jesus said, “The first shall be last and the last shall be first.” His message in this statement is really quite simple to understand. He’s telling us that the people we feel superior to are really better than we are. He goes on to tell us that we can’t take our treasure with us so, we’re to share it with others, less fortunate.

But, sorry to confuse you “True Christians” with actual Biblical facts. I forgot that by me using “facts,” that causes you to claim the fight to be “unfair.”

You all may “claim” to be “True Christians,” but it’s easy to see you’re anything but.
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Aug 28, 2019 08:15:41   #
Iliamna1
 
The reason liberals h**e Christians is the fact they h**e God. We are a constant reminder to them, just by our mere presence, that there is a righteous God and EVERYONE will have to give an account to Him, with no exceptions. The fool says in his heart "there is no God." If one can believe there is no God and no judgement, then they can do anything without remorse or accountability, because there is no higher law, in their not-so-humble opinion.

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Aug 28, 2019 09:17:35   #
Rose42
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
The reason liberals h**e Christians is the fact they h**e God. We are a constant reminder to them, just by our mere presence, that there is a righteous God and EVERYONE will have to give an account to Him, with no exceptions. The fool says in his heart "there is no God." If one can believe there is no God and no judgement, then they can do anything without remorse or accountability, because there is no higher law, in their not-so-humble opinion.


They don't all h**e Christians - some are Christians. I understand the struggle some have with both parties betraying us but don't understand how any Christian who identifies themselves as a liberal can overlook what's happening to the democrat party as well.

It goes nowhere when anyone says people on the left or right can't be "true Christians" because...then they quote some verses. Even Satan can do that.

The good news is we know who prevails in the end.

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Aug 28, 2019 09:29:26   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
alabuck wrote:
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No. “True Christians” act in accordance with the teachings of God. “Personal Responsibility” is the antithesis to Christianity. Heretics and hypocrites “claim” to be Christians. But, their h**eful and self-serving actions speak far louder than their words ever could.


God tells us:

“Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter — when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood, as all of you are my children?

Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard. Then you will call, and the Lord will answer; you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.

If you do away with the yoke of oppression, with the pointing finger and malicious talk, and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday. The Lord will guide you always; he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail.

— Isaiah 58:6-11

Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.

— Isaiah 1:17

Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches?

— Isaiah 10:1-3

Oddly, I don’t recall hearing this kind of verbiage, from Isaiah, coming from the “True Christian” Republicans who post on this site. All I hear are demeaning and insulting remarks coming from the “Party of Family Values,” or the “Christian Right,” or the “Silent Majority.”
Their comments and remarks are anything but “Christian,” (never-mind being anywhere close to being “true”) in thought or written word.

This is the same party who, with proven and documented Russian help, elected a president who’s a proven and admitted adulterer, misogynist, thief, liar, grifter, r****t, and sexual predator, to name just a few of his illegal and immoral activities. So much for being “True Christians” for them. That they would want to elect someone like that to be their leader only reflects on their own deplorable minds and souls. They’re their own “lost sheep” being led around by their even more lost shepherd, Trumpet.

Again, “Personal Responsibility” is the antithesis to Christianity. We’re suppose to NOT think of ourselves first, but to think about how to care for others, first; before ourselves. Jesus said, “The first shall be last and the last shall be first.” His message in this statement is really quite simple to understand. He’s telling us that the people we feel superior to are really better than we are. He goes on to tell us that we can’t take our treasure with us so, we’re to share it with others, less fortunate.

But, sorry to confuse you “True Christians” with actual Biblical facts. I forgot that by me using “facts,” that causes you to claim the fight to be “unfair.”

You all may “claim” to be “True Christians,” but it’s easy to see you’re anything but.
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Ahhh, another one who loves throwing the first stone.

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Aug 28, 2019 09:31:46   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Rose42 wrote:
So you’re a “true Christian”? You certainly made it clear you have your own agenda and dislike Trump. If a Christian couldn’t have v**ed for him they couldn’t have v**ed for Clinton either. You say those minds who v**ed for him are deplorable then those who v**ed for Clinton are no less deplorable.

You pick verses in an effort to support your political view. Yet one can pick verses to illustrate the amorality of the democrat platform that has wrought its own unjust laws. How could any “true Christian” support it or v**e for someone who did?

Any Christian who supports a candidate that champions the k*****g of 2000 innocent lives daily, sexual perversions, indoctrinating children into those sexual perversions, destroying the family unit, and promoting division is their own lost soul. As is anyone who supports the constant lying from the democrat party.

Your argument is wholly self serving. Neither party promotes Christianity
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Aug 28, 2019 10:55:46   #
Chameleon12
 
Parky60 wrote:
Ahhh, another one who loves throwing the first stone.


Your statements are a jumble of confusion. First you state that "true christians" act in accordance with the teachings of God giving Bible verses to show how Christians should act but, then, you go on to state that personal responsibility is the anti-thesis of Christianity making no distinction as to which you are referring to. Like you, I would have to disagree with the original poster's statement. Liberals were once an issue in the 60's when they spit on Vietnam Veterans for serving a country they disagreed with but, liberals of today aren't the issue, progressives are. They are anti-"h**e speech" while supposedly supporting freedom of speech. The problem is that without "h**e speech" there is no such thing as freedom of speech. They are anti-gun while supposedly being against "government tyranny", never understanding that the only defense against a true dictator is an empowered and weaponized citizenry. They support their own assemblies for protest while violently opposing any assembly that even slightly disagrees with their own. They claim to oppose "oppression" while they support victimhood, victimize others, and create opportunities for more victimization. At least 60's liberals, as misguided as they were when it came to veterans, had some sound principles and some sound logic behind them. What progressives have for you is feelings without logic, self contradictions, "virtue signaling" self righteousness, and stereotypes for all who disagree with their group think.

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Aug 28, 2019 13:58:19   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Chameleon12 wrote:
Your statements are a jumble of confusion. First you state that "true christians" act in accordance with the teachings of God giving Bible verses to show how Christians should act but, then, you go on to state that personal responsibility is the anti-thesis of Christianity making no distinction as to which you are referring to. Like you, I would have to disagree with the original poster's statement. Liberals were once an issue in the 60's when they spit on Vietnam Veterans for serving a country they disagreed with but, liberals of today aren't the issue, progressives are. They are anti-"h**e speech" while supposedly supporting freedom of speech. The problem is that without "h**e speech" there is no such thing as freedom of speech. They are anti-gun while supposedly being against "government tyranny", never understanding that the only defense against a true dictator is an empowered and weaponized citizenry. They support their own assemblies for protest while violently opposing any assembly that even slightly disagrees with their own. They claim to oppose "oppression" while they support victimhood, victimize others, and create opportunities for more victimization. At least 60's liberals, as misguided as they were when it came to veterans, had some sound principles and some sound logic behind them. What progressives have for you is feelings without logic, self contradictions, "virtue signaling" self righteousness, and stereotypes for all who disagree with their group think.
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I believe that you've posted to the wrong person.

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