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Aug 16, 2019 19:45:26   #
sisboombaa
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you know that as people age, after about age 30, their bones begin to deteriorate. With increasing age, bones lose mass and mineral content, they are prone to osteoporosis, they become less dense and brittle, more fragile, and are more susceptible to fractures.

Epstein was 66 years old and weighed 180 pounds. If Epstein was kneeling and the noose was secured to a bed post, he would have had to fall forward to put his weight into it. The force on his neck would have been lateral, not vertical as in a gallows h*****g. Much easier to break bones in the neck and spine with a lateral force.

When I was a firefighter, we responded to a call of a suicide by h*****g in a university dorm. When we arrived, a campus police officer was already there. He had determined the victim was not breathing and there was no pulse. The paramedics with us confirmed that. No one moved the body or cut him down until the city police officers dispatched had arrived. The sergeant who investigated ruled it an unintentional auto-erotic asphyxiation. That was obvious.

The victim was about 18 or 19 years old, was quite thin, and weighed about 130 or 40 pounds. He had fashioned a noose with several pairs of panty hose, tied it to a ceiling beam, and stood on a chair. He either stepped off of it or kicked it out from under him. He was naked except for the panty hose he wore with a hole cut in the crotch, his g*****ls exposed. A knife lay on the floor beneath him, so he apparently intended to cut himself down before it was too late.

When the police sergeant finished his notes and concluded his investigation, he said we could cut him down so the ambulance crew could t***sport the body.

We assisted the paramedics in getting the body down and secured in a body bag. A paramedic cut the rope and everyone there noticed immediately that his neck was broken. His head flopped around without any skeletal or muscle support at all. Some vertebrae in his neck had obviously separated.

I never read the autopsy report on this guy so I have no clue what condition his body and bones were in. All I can say is he didn't appear very healthy, and it didn't take much to break his neck.

I don't know how or why Dr. Barbara Sampson, the NY ME, ruled Epstein's death a suicide. I don't know the extent or severity of internal injuries she found, including bone breaks. I don't know if she was politically motivated or under some kind of pressure. I don't know if she had been coerced, intimidated, or threatened in any way.

And neither do you.

I do know that if Dr. Sampson is a professional and wanted to keep her job, she certainly would have done the autopsy according to the ethics of the medical profession. To do otherwise could subject her to criminal prosecution.
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you kno... (show quote)


If the political underground wishes to k**l off it's own membership why should we care. I know I don't care.

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Aug 16, 2019 19:55:26   #
elledee
 
dead men tell no tales

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Aug 16, 2019 19:56:02   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you know that as people age, after about age 30, their bones begin to deteriorate. With increasing age, bones lose mass and mineral content, they are prone to osteoporosis, they become less dense and brittle, more fragile, and are more susceptible to fractures.

Epstein was 66 years old and weighed 180 pounds. If Epstein was kneeling and the noose was secured to a bed post, he would have had to fall forward to put his weight into it. The force on his neck would have been lateral, not vertical as in a gallows h*****g. Much easier to break bones in the neck and spine with a lateral force.

When I was a firefighter, we responded to a call of a suicide by h*****g in a university dorm. When we arrived, a campus police officer was already there. He had determined the victim was not breathing and there was no pulse. The paramedics with us confirmed that. No one moved the body or cut him down until the city police officers dispatched had arrived. The sergeant who investigated ruled it an unintentional auto-erotic asphyxiation. That was obvious.

The victim was about 18 or 19 years old, was quite thin, and weighed about 130 or 40 pounds. He had fashioned a noose with several pairs of panty hose, tied it to a ceiling beam, and stood on a chair. He either stepped off of it or kicked it out from under him. He was naked except for the panty hose he wore with a hole cut in the crotch, his g*****ls exposed. A knife lay on the floor beneath him, so he apparently intended to cut himself down before it was too late.

When the police sergeant finished his notes and concluded his investigation, he said we could cut him down so the ambulance crew could t***sport the body.

We assisted the paramedics in getting the body down and secured in a body bag. A paramedic cut the rope and everyone there noticed immediately that his neck was broken. His head flopped around without any skeletal or muscle support at all. Some vertebrae in his neck had obviously separated.

I never read the autopsy report on this guy so I have no clue what condition his body and bones were in. All I can say is he didn't appear very healthy, and it didn't take much to break his neck.

I don't know how or why Dr. Barbara Sampson, the NY ME, ruled Epstein's death a suicide. I don't know the extent or severity of internal injuries she found, including bone breaks. I don't know if she was politically motivated or under some kind of pressure. I don't know if she had been coerced, intimidated, or threatened in any way.

And neither do you.

I do know that if Dr. Sampson is a professional and wanted to keep her job, she certainly would have done the autopsy according to the ethics of the medical profession. To do otherwise could subject her to criminal prosecution.
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you kno... (show quote)


I dont knowBlade..Just smells kind of fishy to me...You are probably right...But please tell me this If the distance between top of the bed and the floor is 5 feet and they found him in kneeling position then how did he brake many bones in his neck,including hyoid??? Unless he jumped off of the top of the bed..Kind of sounds crazy to me...

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Aug 16, 2019 20:01:04   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
BTW he was 6 feet tall 187 lbs..He was taller then the distance between top of the bed and the floor..It doesn't make sense...to me...

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Aug 17, 2019 05:25:22   #
Gatsby
 
proud republican wrote:
I honestly dont believe it was suicide,considering that sheets were very thin to hold somebody as big and tall as Epstein...


Torn into strips, twisted and braided, paper would work, with time,

even t/p can be braided into a rope.

Don't try it at home, unless you're a liberal.

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Aug 17, 2019 05:53:01   #
Tug484
 
proud republican wrote:
Medical examiner report!!!Epstein committed suicide by tying sheet around his neck and around bed post and kneeling to his death....I call it BS!!!....impossible to kneel and brake your hyoid bone


It sure is. A person has to drop from some high place.

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Aug 17, 2019 05:53:48   #
Tug484
 
proud republican wrote:
I mean he broke multiple bones in his neck...Give me a brake!!!..Suicide my ass!!!


Also he had bruises on his face.

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Aug 17, 2019 08:14:16   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
proud republican wrote:
Medical examiner report!!!Epstein committed suicide by tying sheet around his neck and around bed post and kneeling to his death....I call it BS!!!....impossible to kneel and brake your hyoid bone


Of course you can....................if you have a little help.

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Aug 17, 2019 08:19:49   #
Tug484
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Of course you can....................if you have a little help.


Well, that's true.

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Aug 17, 2019 08:46:16   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you know that as people age, after about age 30, their bones begin to deteriorate. With increasing age, bones lose mass and mineral content, they are prone to osteoporosis, they become less dense and brittle, more fragile, and are more susceptible to fractures.

Epstein was 66 years old and weighed 180 pounds. If Epstein was kneeling and the noose was secured to a bed post, he would have had to fall forward to put his weight into it. The force on his neck would have been lateral, not vertical as in a gallows h*****g. Much easier to break bones in the neck and spine with a lateral force.

When I was a firefighter, we responded to a call of a suicide by h*****g in a university dorm. When we arrived, a campus police officer was already there. He had determined the victim was not breathing and there was no pulse. The paramedics with us confirmed that. No one moved the body or cut him down until the city police officers dispatched had arrived. The sergeant who investigated ruled it an unintentional auto-erotic asphyxiation. That was obvious.

The victim was about 18 or 19 years old, was quite thin, and weighed about 130 or 40 pounds. He had fashioned a noose with several pairs of panty hose, tied it to a ceiling beam, and stood on a chair. He either stepped off of it or kicked it out from under him. He was naked except for the panty hose he wore with a hole cut in the crotch, his g*****ls exposed. A knife lay on the floor beneath him, so he apparently intended to cut himself down before it was too late.

When the police sergeant finished his notes and concluded his investigation, he said we could cut him down so the ambulance crew could t***sport the body.

We assisted the paramedics in getting the body down and secured in a body bag. A paramedic cut the rope and everyone there noticed immediately that his neck was broken. His head flopped around without any skeletal or muscle support at all. Some vertebrae in his neck had obviously separated.

I never read the autopsy report on this guy so I have no clue what condition his body and bones were in. All I can say is he didn't appear very healthy, and it didn't take much to break his neck.

I don't know how or why Dr. Barbara Sampson, the NY ME, ruled Epstein's death a suicide. I don't know the extent or severity of internal injuries she found, including bone breaks. I don't know if she was politically motivated or under some kind of pressure. I don't know if she had been coerced, intimidated, or threatened in any way.

And neither do you.

I do know that if Dr. Sampson is a professional and wanted to keep her job, she certainly would have done the autopsy according to the ethics of the medical profession. To do otherwise could subject her to criminal prosecution.
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you kno... (show quote)


Amen

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Aug 17, 2019 09:12:57   #
Big dog
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you know that as people age, after about age 30, their bones begin to deteriorate. With increasing age, bones lose mass and mineral content, they are prone to osteoporosis, they become less dense and brittle, more fragile, and are more susceptible to fractures.

Epstein was 66 years old and weighed 180 pounds. If Epstein was kneeling and the noose was secured to a bed post, he would have had to fall forward to put his weight into it. The force on his neck would have been lateral, not vertical as in a gallows h*****g. Much easier to break bones in the neck and spine with a lateral force.

When I was a firefighter, we responded to a call of a suicide by h*****g in a university dorm. When we arrived, a campus police officer was already there. He had determined the victim was not breathing and there was no pulse. The paramedics with us confirmed that. No one moved the body or cut him down until the city police officers dispatched had arrived. The sergeant who investigated ruled it an unintentional auto-erotic asphyxiation. That was obvious.

The victim was about 18 or 19 years old, was quite thin, and weighed about 130 or 40 pounds. He had fashioned a noose with several pairs of panty hose, tied it to a ceiling beam, and stood on a chair. He either stepped off of it or kicked it out from under him. He was naked except for the panty hose he wore with a hole cut in the crotch, his g*****ls exposed. A knife lay on the floor beneath him, so he apparently intended to cut himself down before it was too late.

When the police sergeant finished his notes and concluded his investigation, he said we could cut him down so the ambulance crew could t***sport the body.

We assisted the paramedics in getting the body down and secured in a body bag. A paramedic cut the rope and everyone there noticed immediately that his neck was broken. His head flopped around without any skeletal or muscle support at all. Some vertebrae in his neck had obviously separated.

I never read the autopsy report on this guy so I have no clue what condition his body and bones were in. All I can say is he didn't appear very healthy, and it didn't take much to break his neck.

I don't know how or why Dr. Barbara Sampson, the NY ME, ruled Epstein's death a suicide. I don't know the extent or severity of internal injuries she found, including bone breaks. I don't know if she was politically motivated or under some kind of pressure. I don't know if she had been coerced, intimidated, or threatened in any way.

And neither do you.

I do know that if Dr. Sampson is a professional and wanted to keep her job, she certainly would have done the autopsy according to the ethics of the medical profession. To do otherwise could subject her to criminal prosecution.
I thought you were a medical expert. Don't you kno... (show quote)


Okay, so if it Was suicide, do the guards go to prison for criminal negligence ?

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Aug 17, 2019 09:20:56   #
cbpat1
 
proud republican wrote:
Medical examiner report!!!Epstein committed suicide by tying sheet around his neck and around bed post and kneeling to his death....I call it BS!!!....impossible to kneel and brake your hyoid bone



I agree with you PR. The moon and the stars had to line up too perfectly for this not to be suspicious. First they blame it on the guards working overtime. Too bad. I’ve worked overtime many times in my life, it didn’t stop me from doing my job. Then they blamed it on a new guy. Didn’t they train him? And why would they put a new guy on the highest profile prisoner in the country? Where is the video? Why were several bones broken?

The biggest question of all in my mind is why do Bill Clinton’s friends that have connections to bad things keep dying suspiciously? There is a long trail of dead people that had connections to the Clintons that had possible dirt on them. Makes me wonder, what about you?

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Aug 17, 2019 09:51:51   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Big dog wrote:
Okay, so if it Was suicide, do the guards go to prison for criminal negligence ?


no as Trump probally ordered it lol

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Aug 17, 2019 09:55:04   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
cbpat1 wrote:
I agree with you PR. The moon and the stars had to line up too perfectly for this not to be suspicious. First they blame it on the guards working overtime. Too bad. I’ve worked overtime many times in my life, it didn’t stop me from doing my job. Then they blamed it on a new guy. Didn’t they train him? And why would they put a new guy on the highest profile prisoner in the country? Where is the video? Why were several bones broken?

The biggest question of all in my mind is why do Bill Clinton’s friends that have connections to bad things keep dying suspiciously? There is a long trail of dead people that had connections to the Clintons that had possible dirt on them. Makes me wonder, what about you?
I agree with you PR. The moon and the stars had to... (show quote)


wonder how many of Trumps friends end up dead

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Aug 17, 2019 11:58:45   #
debeda
 
Gatsby wrote:
Torn into strips, twisted and braided, paper would work, with time,

even t/p can be braided into a rope.

Don't try it at home, unless you're a liberal.



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