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Aug 19, 2019 18:43:22   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
maximus wrote:
Wow! I get it! We just don't know what we are reading because the language is different. Are you sure? Let's look at your examples;
"can" If you get canned, you are in jail or prison...if you have canned peaches, it means that you have preserved them...a tin can is something you kick down the road or a submarine...a can is a metal container to hold food for long periods of time, a can is a small confined space. A can is a toilet. Our language is complicated and the same word spelled the same can have several meanings.
If I were hunting in the 1800's, I would not know of a feminine product that hadn't been invented called a tampon. However, if you were talking about muzzle loading firearms, I would have known what you were talking about. Gay used to mean happy and f*ggot used to mean a small piece of wood to put on a fire...now both mean homosexual men. A f*g used to be a cigarette.
Enough already...my point is that meanings of words are highly dependent on context. According to you, we don't know what Shakespeare was saying, even though we put on his plays in the same language in which they were written. What about Homer or Socrates? Do we not know what they meant because we don't speak Latin or Greek anymore?
Why do we think our government can turn against us? The majority of Americans were against gay marriage ( I believe that's the whole premise of "democracy"), but our government knew better than the majority. The majority didn't want prayer taken out of schools but it happened. The majority does not believe there many, many g****rs, but did that stop our government? Like California? Where is illegal to call a person with a penis a man, even if it's a doctor making a report? That's democracy? You say Trump is destroying our "democracy" but you call laws made for the very few "democracy"?

Are you very sure it's us who are misunderstanding English? The defense of a free state is NOT defending the Federal government, but it IS defending a free state against the Federal government if it becomes Tyrannical. Our founders knew full well that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and they took steps to limit powers and gave us the right to protect ourselves from enemies foreign OR domestic, that is, the right to "preserve" our foundations, not change or destroy them.
Wow! I get it! We just don't know what we are read... (show quote)

Bravo, Maximus, bravo.

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Aug 19, 2019 18:55:44   #
Tug484
 
maximus wrote:
Wow! I get it! We just don't know what we are reading because the language is different. Are you sure? Let's look at your examples;
"can" If you get canned, you are in jail or prison...if you have canned peaches, it means that you have preserved them...a tin can is something you kick down the road or a submarine...a can is a metal container to hold food for long periods of time, a can is a small confined space. A can is a toilet. Our language is complicated and the same word spelled the same can have several meanings.
If I were hunting in the 1800's, I would not know of a feminine product that hadn't been invented called a tampon. However, if you were talking about muzzle loading firearms, I would have known what you were talking about. Gay used to mean happy and f*ggot used to mean a small piece of wood to put on a fire...now both mean homosexual men. A f*g used to be a cigarette.
Enough already...my point is that meanings of words are highly dependent on context. According to you, we don't know what Shakespeare was saying, even though we put on his plays in the same language in which they were written. What about Homer or Socrates? Do we not know what they meant because we don't speak Latin or Greek anymore?
Why do we think our government can turn against us? The majority of Americans were against gay marriage ( I believe that's the whole premise of "democracy"), but our government knew better than the majority. The majority didn't want prayer taken out of schools but it happened. The majority does not believe there many, many g****rs, but did that stop our government? Like California? Where is illegal to call a person with a penis a man, even if it's a doctor making a report? That's democracy? You say Trump is destroying our "democracy" but you call laws made for the very few "democracy"?

Are you very sure it's us who are misunderstanding English? The defense of a free state is NOT defending the Federal government, but it IS defending a free state against the Federal government if it becomes Tyrannical. Our founders knew full well that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and they took steps to limit powers and gave us the right to protect ourselves from enemies foreign OR domestic, that is, the right to "preserve" our foundations, not change or destroy them.
Wow! I get it! We just don't know what we are read... (show quote)

Thank you

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Aug 19, 2019 19:36:23   #
Navigator
 
slatten49 wrote:
It often appears that nothing, absolutely nothing, can be said or written to convince zealots from either side of the ideological or political persuasion of facts they absolutely refuse to believe. One may as well attempt pi**ing on a raging forest fire in a futile effort to put it out.


Facts are irrefutable but it may surprise you that statements like Trump is a bigot, Trump is r****t, Trump is a w***e s*********t, Trump is corrupt, Trump is a rapist, Trump is stupid, Trump is mentally ill are not facts. Since there are no actual FACTS in evidence to support them, the aforementioned are all opinions and they are all incorrect.

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Aug 19, 2019 20:22:25   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Navigator wrote:
Facts are irrefutable but it may surprise you that statements like Trump is a bigot, Trump is r****t, Trump is a w***e s*********t, Trump is corrupt, Trump is a rapist, Trump is stupid, Trump is mentally ill are not facts. Since there are no actual FACTS in evidence to support them, the aforementioned are all opinions and they are all incorrect.


Awfully defensive of Trump, huh? I'm not even sure his name has come up on this thread, as it has been almost totally about the actual topic of gun control. Yet you bring up a defense of Trump's many purported shortcomings/flaws/faults without real cause.

As I recall, your discontent with me began over our disagreement concerning a post by Alabuck. Why let differing opinions become an affront to you? You appear to be a victim of a common human frailty: Ones inability to recognize the same flaws, faults and shortcomings in themselves that they so readily see in others.

BTW, I am no supporter of his administration. But, if you find that I write/wrote anything like the above from you about Trump, you bring it to my attention.

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Aug 19, 2019 21:06:33   #
Navigator
 
Your response was to my comment about your praise of a rambling post about gun control that indicated a serious lack of understanding about the 2nd amendment where you posited I play fast and loose with the facts. Since your face is all over this website (47,000 posts) my subsequent comment was about that statement of yours being an example of projection (as is your comment with the post I am responding to now). I have noticed in a number of other posts of yours that you do, in fact, occasionally use statements directed at our President that are not factual. I will watch more closely in the future and let you know when you stray from the path of t***h wrt DJT.

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Aug 19, 2019 21:28:24   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Navigator wrote:
Your response was to my comment about your praise of a rambling post about gun control that indicated a serious lack of understanding about the 2nd amendment where you posited I play fast and loose with the facts. Since your face is all over this website (47,000 posts) my subsequent comment was about that statement of yours being an example of projection (as is your comment with the post I am responding to now). I have noticed in a number of other posts of yours that you do, in fact, occasionally use statements directed at our President that are not factual. I will watch more closely in the future and let you know when you stray from the path of t***h wrt DJT.
Your response was to my comment about your praise ... (show quote)

You're a hoot with your opinions, Navigator They're not facts just 'cause you believe 'em.

I will be breathlessly awaiting your next post.

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Aug 19, 2019 22:44:56   #
Navigator
 
I guess that is why you have 47,000 posts; you just can't let it go. Facts are facts because they are true, period, while some of the statements that occasionally appear in your posts, especially wrt DJT are untrue therefor not facts. There will be no follow-on post in this thread b/c it is becoming boring but I will post in response to others of your posts when I agree or disagree strongly.

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Aug 19, 2019 22:52:47   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Navigator wrote:
I guess that is why you have 47,000 posts; you just can't let it go. Facts are facts because they are true, period, while some of the statements that occasionally appear in your posts, especially wrt DJT are untrue therefor not facts. There will be no follow-on post in this thread b/c it is becoming boring but I will post in response to others of your posts when I agree or disagree strongly.

I've 47,000+ posts mainly because I've been on this forum for 6 years and have formed friendships.

Goodnight and sleep well.

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Aug 19, 2019 23:12:44   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
slatten49 wrote:
I've 47,000+ posts mainly because I've been on this forum for 6 years and have formed friendships.

Goodnight and sleep well.


Waves hello to Slatten!
Wonders where I'll be in 6 years if I've already had 1230 I think I saw in just a month and a half of bein here!.... chuckles have a great evening

Hope you had a good day!..

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Aug 20, 2019 06:23:02   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Larai wrote:
Waves hello to Slatten!
Wonders where I'll be in 6 years if I've already had 1230 I think I saw in just a month and a half of bein here!.... chuckles have a great evening

Hope you had a good day!..

Wavin' back at ya', Larai

The overall day was good, but I feel a tooth problem coming on, and worry about my old friend Salty's health. Yet, having good new friends such as yourself keeps me on a positive note.

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Aug 20, 2019 14:24:55   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
slatten49 wrote:
Wavin' back at ya', Larai

The overall day was good, but I feel a tooth problem coming on, and worry about my old friend Salty's health. Yet, having good new friends such as yourself keeps me on a positive note.


oh dang.. sorry bout the tooth...good to hear the day was overall good and was sorry to hear about salty, only got to interact here with him a couple of times... I really hope things improve for him...Thank you for the compliment.. I count you as a friend as well...seems I've met some very good folks in here...it is nice when we can be adults, and agree to disagree, and not affect the friendship...

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Aug 20, 2019 14:29:50   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Larai wrote:
...it is nice when we can be adults, and agree to disagree, and not affect the friendship...

Indeed, it is, Larai Thanks for your concerns about my tooth and Salty.

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Aug 20, 2019 17:24:58   #
Tug484
 
slatten49 wrote:
Indeed, it is, Larai Thanks for your concerns about my tooth and Salty.


Nothing worse than a toothache.

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