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Aug 15, 2019 07:34:13   #
Kevyn
 
During the campaign Trump said “any time the dow drops a thousand points in two days the President should be immediately impeached” he should just resign and save us the trouble.

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Aug 15, 2019 08:09:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Though it sounds like typical Trump bluster, apparently it is unproven that Trump actually made such a statement...https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-impeachment-dow-jones/

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Aug 15, 2019 09:03:52   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Though it sounds like typical Trump bluster, apparently it is unproven that Trump actually made such a statement...https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-impeachment-dow-jones/


That's surprising.

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Aug 15, 2019 10:03:02   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Kevyn wrote:
During the campaign Trump said “any time the dow drops a thousand points in two days the President should be immediately impeached” he should just resign and save us the trouble.



Remember you'll be able to keep your doctor? Remember, if I increase the national debt, I'll have failed?
And how about I did not have sekshal relations with that woman?


You ought to resign from OPP. There is no room in this venue for inaccuracies and falacies posted as t***h, as you & your cohorts so often do.

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Aug 15, 2019 10:20:10   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Remember you'll be able to keep your doctor? Remember, if I increase the national debt, I'll have failed? You ought to resign from OPP.

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/has-president-obama-doubled-national-debt

Excerpt...It's complicated:

It's Unfair to Attribute Debt Increase Entirely to Obama

While by many measures debt has doubled under Obama’s presidency, it is hard to argue this is entirely of Obama’s doing.

First of all, much of the debt increase was the result of laws and economic conditions in place before Obama took office rather than laws that passed under his presidency. The Congressional Budget Office’s first current law projections of the Obama presidency already projected debt held by the public would rise from $5.8 trillion to $9.1 trillion when Obama left office – and these projections didn’t incorporate the entire depth of the Great Recession, which reduced revenue and therefore further increased debt.

Importantly, though, President Obama did sign many laws worsening this debt situation. Among the most significant are the 2009 stimulus, extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts temporarily in 2010 and making most of them permanent in 2012, the 2015 permanent "doc fix," and the tax extenders/omnibus bill at the end of 2015. President Obama also signed several pieces of legislation to reduce projected debt, most significantly the Budget Control Act. But importantly, these laws were written not by the president but by Congress.

It is Congress that passes tax and spending legislation. There is little the president can do to impact the debt, positively or negatively, without a bill passed by Congress. Conversly there is little Congress can do without the president's signature or a veto-proof supermajority. Further, during most of Obama's term to date, control of Congress was split between a Democratic Senate and a Republican House. Both branches share blame, both for legislation that increased the debt and for failing to enact legislation that would curb the debt growth that was already projected to occur from the growth of entitlement programs and insufficient revenues.

By a few metrics, debt has doubled during the Obama presidency. The blame though is not only on him because some of the debt increase over the past eight years was already expected to occur, and Congress had to approve bills that increased the debt. Interestingly, debt held by the public would double again by 2024 under Trump's proposed plans – so while he is right about what's happened under President Obama's watch, his plan will make the problem worse.

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Aug 15, 2019 10:24:56   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Kevyn wrote:
During the campaign Trump said “any time the dow drops a thousand points in two days the President should be immediately impeached” he should just resign and save us the trouble.


It didn't drop a thousand points in two days...Today Dow Jones is up!!!....So your celebration is short lived..

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Aug 15, 2019 10:27:12   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
slatten49 wrote:
Though it sounds like typical Trump bluster, apparently it is unproven that Trump actually made such a statement...https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-impeachment-dow-jones/


Thanks slatts for saving me the trouble of proving kevy boi is a liar once again~

SEMPER FI bro

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Aug 15, 2019 10:34:46   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
proud republican wrote:
It didn't drop a thousand points in two days...Today Dow Jones is up!!!....So your celebration is short lived..


What gets me PR is just a couple of weeks ago these same asshat libs were claiming the booming economy, stock market and low unemployment was all the halfricans doing. Now the stock market has taken a temporary dive, it's all Trumps fault. Gawd, I wish these liberal clowns would make up their minds~

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Aug 15, 2019 10:37:48   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Jakebrake wrote:
What gets me PR is just a couple of weeks ago these same asshat libs were claiming the booming economy, stock market and low unemployment was all the halfricans doing. Now the stock market has taken a temporary dive, it's all Trumps fault. Gawd, I wish these liberal clowns would make up their minds~


Yes, Jake i agree with you...they are really getting on my last nerve.....

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Aug 15, 2019 11:44:58   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
http://www.crfb.org/blogs/has-president-obama-doubled-national-debt

Excerpt...It's complicated:

It's Unfair to Attribute Debt Increase Entirely to Obama

While by many measures debt has doubled under Obama’s presidency, it is hard to argue this is entirely of Obama’s doing.

First of all, much of the debt increase was the result of laws and economic conditions in place before Obama took office rather than laws that passed under his presidency. The Congressional Budget Office’s first current law projections of the Obama presidency already projected debt held by the public would rise from $5.8 trillion to $9.1 trillion when Obama left office – and these projections didn’t incorporate the entire depth of the Great Recession, which reduced revenue and therefore further increased debt.

Importantly, though, President Obama did sign many laws worsening this debt situation. Among the most significant are the 2009 stimulus, extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts temporarily in 2010 and making most of them permanent in 2012, the 2015 permanent "doc fix," and the tax extenders/omnibus bill at the end of 2015. President Obama also signed several pieces of legislation to reduce projected debt, most significantly the Budget Control Act. But importantly, these laws were written not by the president but by Congress.

It is Congress that passes tax and spending legislation. There is little the president can do to impact the debt, positively or negatively, without a bill passed by Congress. Conversly there is little Congress can do without the president's signature or a veto-proof supermajority. Further, during most of Obama's term to date, control of Congress was split between a Democratic Senate and a Republican House. Both branches share blame, both for legislation that increased the debt and for failing to enact legislation that would curb the debt growth that was already projected to occur from the growth of entitlement programs and insufficient revenues.

By a few metrics, debt has doubled during the Obama presidency. The blame though is not only on him because some of the debt increase over the past eight years was already expected to occur, and Congress had to approve bills that increased the debt. Interestingly, debt held by the public would double again by 2024 under Trump's proposed plans – so while he is right about what's happened under President Obama's watch, his plan will make the problem worse.
http://www.crfb.org/blogs/has-president-obama-doub... (show quote)



Slatten, I never did attribute the debt increase to Obama alone and it is good that you recognize the culpability of both the House and for that matter the Senate too in foisting this burden on us. That's the difference between people like you and me and people like Kevyn, PeterS, moldyoldy, Wood Guru, etc. Anything that goes wrong they will blame on Trump or the Republicans and only Trump & the Republicans.
They will not shoulder any blame themselves.

You can not conduct a debate with people who cite rumor, hearsay, innuendo, half-t***hs, distortions, misrepresentations and outright lies as facts. They regard their conclusions as the end of the debate.

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Aug 15, 2019 13:40:04   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Slatten, I never did attribute the debt increase to Obama alone and it is good that you recognize the culpability of both the House and for that matter the Senate too in foisting this burden on us. That's the difference between people like you and me and people like Kevyn, PeterS, moldyoldy, Wood Guru, etc. Anything that goes wrong they will blame on Trump or the Republicans and only Trump & the Republicans.
They will not shoulder any blame themselves.

You can not conduct a debate with people who cite rumor, hearsay, innuendo, half-t***hs, distortions, misrepresentations and outright lies as facts. They regard their conclusions as the end of the debate.
Slatten, I never did attribute the debt increase t... (show quote)


Whew, well said~

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Aug 15, 2019 13:58:18   #
woodguru
 
crazylibertarian wrote:

You ought to resign from OPP. There is no room in this venue for inaccuracies and falacies posted as t***h, as you & your cohorts so often do.


There's a whole lot of rhetoric and BS being posted as t***h

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Aug 15, 2019 14:30:46   #
woodguru
 
slatten49 wrote:
http://www.crfb.org/blogs/has-president-obama-doubled-national-debt

Excerpt...It's complicated:

It's Unfair to Attribute Debt Increase Entirely to Obama

While by many measures debt has doubled under Obama’s presidency, it is hard to argue this is entirely of Obama’s doing.

First of all, much of the debt increase was the result of laws and economic conditions in place before Obama took office rather than laws that passed under his presidency. The Congressional Budget Office’s first current law projections of the Obama presidency already projected debt held by the public would rise from $5.8 trillion to $9.1 trillion when Obama left office – and these projections didn’t incorporate the entire depth of the Great Recession, which reduced revenue and therefore further increased debt.

Importantly, though, President Obama did sign many laws worsening this debt situation. Among the most significant are the 2009 stimulus, extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts temporarily in 2010 and making most of them permanent in 2012, the 2015 permanent "doc fix," and the tax extenders/omnibus bill at the end of 2015. President Obama also signed several pieces of legislation to reduce projected debt, most significantly the Budget Control Act. But importantly, these laws were written not by the president but by Congress.

It is Congress that passes tax and spending legislation. There is little the president can do to impact the debt, positively or negatively, without a bill passed by Congress. Conversly there is little Congress can do without the president's signature or a veto-proof supermajority. Further, during most of Obama's term to date, control of Congress was split between a Democratic Senate and a Republican House. Both branches share blame, both for legislation that increased the debt and for failing to enact legislation that would curb the debt growth that was already projected to occur from the growth of entitlement programs and insufficient revenues.

By a few metrics, debt has doubled during the Obama presidency. The blame though is not only on him because some of the debt increase over the past eight years was already expected to occur, and Congress had to approve bills that increased the debt. Interestingly, debt held by the public would double again by 2024 under Trump's proposed plans – so while he is right about what's happened under President Obama's watch, his plan will make the problem worse.
http://www.crfb.org/blogs/has-president-obama-doub... (show quote)


You've listed a whole bunch of things that are up to congress and the senate to control, besides the point that Obama inherited a deficit of $1.4 Trillion, which is going to add over a trillion dollars a year to the debt. A president can't just wipe out the spending left by the previous administration. The Bush administration were masters of contracts and spending programs that extend as many as 25 years beyond their terms by contract. Ethanol programs that benefit oil and farming interests aren't going away because billions are spent on the infrastructure started. There are federal water subsidy giveaways that impact states for decades. No matter how stupid or ill conceived a giveaway is states are stuck with them way beyond the term of the presidents that put them in place.

Trump (the GOP) passed or rather jammed ill conceived tax cuts through that impact the economy well past Trump's first term. His tariff and trade policies have disrupted trade in ways that will never be completely fixed.

People on the right seem to forget that Obama reduced the Bush $1.4 Trillion deficit by 2/3rds, any more would have hurt the economy.They also forget that Obama passed infrastructure spending bills that put at least a million people to work. They also conveniently forget that the GOP as a mission objective refused to cooperate with any program that would make Obama and the economy look good, they put hurting Obama ahead of helping the country and doing what was right. It was the party of obstruction and McConnell is still doing it.

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Aug 15, 2019 14:34:34   #
woodguru
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Slatten, I never did attribute the debt increase to Obama alone and it is good that you recognize the culpability of both the House and for that matter the Senate too in foisting this burden on us. That's the difference between people like you and me and people like Kevyn, PeterS, moldyoldy, Wood Guru, etc. Anything that goes wrong they will blame on Trump or the Republicans and only Trump & the Republicans.
They will not shoulder any blame themselves.

You can not conduct a debate with people who cite rumor, hearsay, innuendo, half-t***hs, distortions, misrepresentations and outright lies as facts. They regard their conclusions as the end of the debate.
Slatten, I never did attribute the debt increase t... (show quote)


Actually you miss the fact that I do understand the role the senate and house play in p**********l policies. One of the problems is that Trump is jumping into policies that are better off being constructed under full public scrutiny, the tax cuts being something that should have had months of hearings, debates, CBO oversight, and public debate. They would have never flown and the GOP knew that.

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Aug 15, 2019 16:52:11   #
jim_shipley
 
The dow did drop over 900 points in less then two hours when during the last e******n v**e counting it looked like Hillary would win.

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