oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

It has been reported by the MSM that as many as 6 is the number. Hey, even Fox has reported the same story. Here we have some soldiers talking about 8 being the proper number without anything about how many were wounded and the number is pretty high. These guys tell a story that many aren't going to like about what Susan Rice called a hero. Well, maybe the whole White House did that since the parents of this one are the only ones who have been taken to the Rose Garden by Obama.

My favorite words in this link are: Are you listening, Capitol Hill and America? The Bowe Bergdahl mess isn't just a story about one deserter, but two. There's the muddle-headed lowlife who left his post and brothers behind. And there's the corrupt commander in chief who has jeopardized more American soldiers' lives to "rescue" Bergdahl by bowing to the Taliban, while snubbing the surviving heroes and the eight dead American soldiers who lost their lives because of him. This cannot stand.

I am ready to play games with any of you who want to argue about this one.

http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2014/06/04/exclusive-the-story-you-havent-yet-heard-about-bowe-bergdahls-desertion-n1847173/page/full

PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

I agree

bessie1

The loss of one life is too many, the loss
of 6 is treason and needs to be prosecuted.
I am always glad to here of a soldier being
returned home. But, if he is a deserter as
he has been describe, you do not give away
these terrorists to get him back, for as sure as
the day is long they will k**l again. How many
more than the 6 that already died will there be.
Getting the soldier home is great but at what
price do we pay as we continue the fight and
There will no longer be another 9-11. This
release of these terrorists will only add to the
probability of another attack.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

I don't disagree that Bergdahl is probably a deserter, and I think we can be assured that the Army (and, yes, Obama, too) is still detaining him in Germany because he is being interrogated to determine just how he came to be in the Taliban's hands and wh**ever intelligence can be gleaned from him. But I don't think it was wrong to trade prisoners for him.

First...he is an American, and if you are an American, you should believe that we are all innocent until proven guilty. You Obama h**ers are jumping the gun and convicting this guy before he has had his day in court. Maybe he's guilty of something less than desertion? Maybe something more? (Aiding and abetting the enemy?) I don't know, and neither do you or any of the bat-s**t websites that serve as your sources of information. I think the Army will prosecute him. You apparently don't. We'll see which one of us is right in short order.

Second...he is an American and deserves to be rescued just like any other American citizen deserves to be rescued. Obama did the right thing in getting him released. How can ANY American think it is right to leave one of our citizens in the hands of terrorists? If he had been allowed to just continue on to America - rather than be detained for questioning in Germany - and rake in the dollars by selling his story, Obama could be justifiably criticized for getting him released. Do you think for even one minute that Obama didn't know full well that getting him released would open him up to the criticisms that are already being levied against him? Do you not think it took some guts for him to do it anyway? After the Army reviews all the facts - WHICH WE, THE PUBLIC, DO NOT HAVE! - they will decide if there is enough evidence to prosecute him. If he is guilty of desertion, I think he should be punished just as harshly as we have punished other deserters in the past.

The argument that Obama has put a target on the backs of all American soldiers for kidnapping is ridiculous. Do you really believe that American soldiers haven't had targets on their backs since these wars were declared? Do you think American soldiers are just out there as easy targets waiting to be kidnapped? Do you think our soldiers aren't capable of defending themselves? Ridiculous!

You and your ilk will trash the president for anything and everything no matter what ... even if it means turning your back on a fellow American. I view those who think we should have allowed him to suffer in Taliban hands forever as un-American and d********g. He may be a deserter, but he is OUR deserter and should pay the consequences that WE deem appropriate for him. Your lack of patriotism embarrasses ME, and you should be embarrassed as well.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

In this case I don't want celebration over this one coming home. I guess those who served with him and had to go out looking for him and watch their buddies be wounded and k**led on that fool's mission are totally wrong since the White House has accused them of "swift boating" Bergdahl. Telling the t***h about a hero seems to be something that Democrats just don't like. When Jon Carry was swift boated in 2004 I was so happy to see t***h coming from those who served with him. He did finally remove his first Purple Heart from his web site since it was for a small bit of metal that was removed with tweezers and then bandaged with a bandaid.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Go ahead and fill me in on what country those two ex-Seals in B******i were from. I thought they were still two of us. Now what did Our Gracious Master do to keep them from being k**led? Come on and tell me about that one.

If you read that link you would have found that several soldiers who served with and tried to find Bergdahl really see him as something less than a uniformed hero. In fact, it seems that as they were trying to find and rescue him too many died and were wounded and who is to say that it wasn't being done with some help from him. Go ahead and read what they had to say. Also, read that not one of them is against him coming home, but some want him court martialed.

barberdawg Loc: Georgia

Ret Navy CWO-- Do you think the army will interview the soldiers that were on the ground with bergdahl, including his team leader and many others that have come forward with nothing but damning information some of which came directly from bergdahls mouth and writings and by the way I beleive this is where most people are getting their info, which is certainly more accurate than someone setting behind a desk in Washington, you referred to people getting their info from some, forget how you described them, not important anyway because info is actually coming from soilders who were there with him and they are delivering it in person on th news, you didnt mention that, have you not seen that? If so how could you leave those reliable sources and try to deflect to some stupid web sites, which we all realize are not accurate. A question to you, from one Vet to another, do you believe the solders reports they have unanimously given about bergdahl?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I had considered the CWO to be something less than what he appears to be in this post. I don't think he said just what he meant to say on all of it but he is not going to sit back and watch those of us who don't care for Obama say unkind things about our Glorious Leader and those soldiers aren't calling him anything good at all since they think that Bergdahl may even be a t*****r. The one who talked about all the trouble they got in trying to find him made a believer out of me. I feel that Bergdahl was either giving his new "friends" information that helped them or something like that.

barberdawg Loc: Georgia

Thank you old roy and I do understand how difficult it is to accept the t***h sometimes.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

Yes, I believe they are being t***hful in their accounts of what happened. I haven't disagreed at all that Bergdahl is probably a deserter. But he is still an American soldier who was being held captive. The stories by those who served with him are helpful in understanding what happened, but we would be foolish to draw iron-clad conclusions from them. Don't get me wrong, I do not think they are misstating any facts as they know them. But I also know that witnesses see and hear things from different perspectives. That's why eye witness testimony is frequently discredited in court trials. Having said all that, I DO THINK BERGDAHL IS A DESERTER AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR IT. If anything, we needed to get him back on U.S. soil so we could do that.

Jumping to conclusions before all of the facts of any situation are known is foolish. I have no doubt that Bergdahl will get what is coming to him...provided that the facts of the case - once they are determined - convince a jury of his wrong-doing.

How can anyone disagree with that?

Ricko Loc: Florida

CWO-believe you are being naive about the swap. Five of the worst were released for Bergdahl. The rate of exchange has now been established and a precedence has been set. Seems like this president goes from one scandal to the next using the latest to try to cover-up the preceding one. Yet you are in full support of him so maybe your patriotism should be the one in question . You did not have any problem with four loyal Americans being left behind in B******i but are all up in arms about potentially leaving a deserter behind. You do not have the moral authority to question anyone's patriotism. Good Luck America !!!

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

Oldroy, you drank the B******i koolaid a long time ago and are in no condition to be rational about it. All of the B******i reports conclude that there was no viable military option to prevent those deaths. Period. We have gone over that mess over and over and over again. How many times do you need to bang your head against a wall to realize that you get the same results each time?

That you choose to believe otherwise just indicates that you won't believe the t***h even when it is told to you EIGHT TIMES by responsible sources.

Besides, it has absolutely nothing to do with the case we are discussing. Not a very smart way to try to make your case.

I personally believe that Bergdahl is PROBABLY a deserter, and I have no doubt that he is being interrogated about it in Germany as we write. Whether the investigators come to the same conclusion - that he is a deserter - remains to be seen. I also have no doubt that the reasons for wh**ever they decide will be made public. And I also have no doubt that wacko-birds will continue to try to discredit Obama no matter what happens.

Myself ... I lean toward predicting that Bergdahl will be found guilty of desertion and spend time in Leavenworth.

Obama did the right thing getting him back. Those 5 Taliban prisoners - former officials of the Afghan Taliban government - were all captured in 2001 during our initial invasion of Afghanistan. The world - and especially the battlefield - is a different place now. Those guys have no experience fighting the war of insurgency that has been going on and are hardly a threat to America. They'll be held in Qatar for a year, and by that time, we will have, except for 10,000 or so trainers and special forces operators, withdrawn from Afghanistan.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

Nobody got left behind in B******i and I have not been "up in arms" about leaving a deserter behind. If he deserted, we need him in custody so we can punish him. Neither you nor anyone else knows enough details yet to know if he is guilty of desertion. If he's guilty of desertion, I think he should be busted to E1, fined at least as much money as his accrued pay and allowances have totaled since he went missing, given a dishonorable discharge, and spend 20 years in Leavenworth.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

We know how many people died trying to get that fool back except that some of his grunt friends know it was 8 not the 6 the media is reporting. I hardly think your punishment is anywhere near what he has earned.

Do you suppose those who served with him will be questioned by the brass when the time comes? Or will it be like B******i where those CIA people who got out alive because those two heroes gave up their lives for them? I say that the second is what we will get. Of course, I was never as close to brass as you were.

Retired669

Pay attention you senile old fool. Your hatred for Obama will finally be your undoing. Try and pay attention now old man....

The New York Times reports:


But an archive of military reports logging significant activities in America’s war in Afghanistan offers a contemporaneous written record of events in Paktika that summer. The archive was made public by Chelsea Manning, formerly known as Pvt. Bradley Manning, who is serving a 35-year prison sentence for the leak.

The first two deaths the critics link to Sergeant Bergdahl involved a major assault by insurgents on a combat outpost called Zerok on July 4, 2009. Their view is that the Taliban knew the Americans were stretched thin by the search mission and took advantage of that opportunity to try to overrun it.

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The other six American deaths in Paktika that summer occurred from Aug. 18 to Sept. 5, which Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics link to him as well.

“You see a lot of anger because we lost guys not only at Zerok, but a decent amount of good guys looking” for him, said a soldier from his unit who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Where those events are identifiable in the logs, they do not mention any link to Bergdahl search operations, although the logs are terse and contain few contextual details.

Mr. Bethea wrote that of the six men k**led in August and September, two died in a roadside bombing while on a reconnaissance mission, a third was shot during a search for a Taliban political leader and three others were k**led while conducting patrols — two in an ambush and one who stepped on a mine.

He suggested some connection to Sergeant Bergdahl for several of the deaths, saying the Taliban leader and a village that was in the area of one of the patrols were “thought affiliated with Bergdahl’s captors.” He also said a village in the areas of the other patrol was “near the area where Bergdahl vanished.”

Still, those villages and insurgents were in the overall area of responsibility for the soldiers, and the logs make clear that the region was an insurgent hotbed. A log on May 21, 2009, for example, said it had historically been a “safe haven” for the Taliban.

A retired senior American military officer, who was briefed at the time on the search for Sergeant Bergdahl, said that even though soldiers were instructed to watch for signs of the missing American, they would have been conducting patrols and performing risky operations anyway.

“Look, it’s not like these soldiers would have been sitting around their base,” he said.

The soldier who spoke on condition of anonymity agreed that it was “ludicrous” to lay 100 percent of the blame for the deaths at Sergeant Bergdahl’s feet, and he acknowledged that patrols were going to get hit in Paktika during fighting season anyway.

This is why it’s important to get all of the facts instead of going all CNN on the story. For the right wing critics who claim the POW was an ‘anti-American’ deserter, one only has to look at Dick Cheney who asked and received 5 deferments to avoid the draft for a villain. Or the right wing hero, Ted Nugent, who was so frightened at the prospect of going to war that he literally s**t in his pants and remained unbathed for weeks in order to get out of serving his country. This man actually went to war.

It would be more productive as well as patriotic to welcome the newly freed POW home.

The facts will come later.


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