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Aug 14, 2019 16:38:41   #
Tug484
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Trump and Barr have all the power, Clinton was already outed. Trump, Barr and many others are yet to be named. Why did they just raid his island yesterday, it was surely cleaned up by now.


There are so many involved on both sides we may never know.

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Aug 14, 2019 17:19:45   #
Auntie Lulu
 
slatten49 wrote:
Suicide or not, his death should not have occurred while in imprisonment and under surveillance.



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Aug 14, 2019 17:29:36   #
Mikeyavelli
 
woodguru wrote:
Your "opinion" can't begin to be objective let alone free of bias if you are going to assign a political spin before we know much of anything. Epstein was toxic bad news for wealthy players in both parties.

Anyone going partisan on this this early won't begin to sort out sources and reality. The truth will be in the ongoing coverups, of which Barr is likely to have a heavy hand in.


Bush Boy Barr isn't investigating anything. He's concocting an acceptable story for the record. They even brought in old Kennedy assassination story tellers to help them make the official statement about Epstein.
Hilliar wins again.
Trump may as well have appointed Eric Holder for all the good Bush Boy has done.

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Aug 14, 2019 17:31:19   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
maureenthannon wrote:
babobby,ALITTLE ridiculous? I suppose that you think that the Grand Canyon is a little
hole!


lol
what brought that on??

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Aug 14, 2019 17:32:06   #
dongreen76
 
badbobby wrote:
the report now is out
that Epsiein was kneeling on the floor with paper bed sheets tied around his neck and the bed frame
I for one find that conclusion a lil ridiculous
I think he had help


What? he hanged himself latteraly

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Aug 14, 2019 18:03:19   #
iCope
 
badbobby wrote:
the report now is out
that Epsiein was kneeling on the floor with paper bed sheets tied around his neck and the bed frame
I for one find that conclusion a lil ridiculous
I think he had help


So do I. Which of Epstein’s buddies had the most to lose? I doubt it would be Clinton. More likely tRump had one of Putin’s stooges take care of Epstein.

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Aug 14, 2019 18:03:49   #
Tug484
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Bush Boy Barr isn't investigating anything. He's concocting an acceptable story for the record. They even brought in old Kennedy assassination story tellers to help them make the official statement about Epstein.
Hilliar wins again.
Trump may as well have appointed Eric Holder for all the good Bush Boy has done.


I just read a comment on a you tube video and I'm not kidding, the guy said he saw on the news that the guard guarding Epstein was killed in a car wreck... tomorrow!

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Aug 14, 2019 18:03:56   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
dongreen76 wrote:
What? he hanged himself latteraly

Well, at least he didn't shoot himself in the back of the head - five times...

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Aug 14, 2019 18:05:22   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Tug484 wrote:
I just read a comment on a you tube video and I'm not kidding, the guy said he saw on the news that the guard guarding Epstein was killed in a car wreck... tomorrow!

That's happened before.

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Aug 14, 2019 18:06:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Bush Boy Barr isn't investigating anything. He's concocting an acceptable story for the record. They even brought in old Kennedy assassination story tellers to help them make the official statement about Epstein.
Hilliar wins again.
Trump may as well have appointed Eric Holder for all the good Bush Boy has done.

There’s no evidence that the Clintons were involved in Jeffrey Epstein’s death

It wasn’t long after Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in a Manhattan jail cell Aug. 10 that conspiracy theories started to bloom.

Some social media users baselessly speculated that Epstein, an American financier indicted on sex trafficking charges, was killed at the behest of Hillary and Bill Clinton. Others linked his death to President Donald Trump. And still others falsely claimed that Epstein never died at all.

None of those claims are backed by available evidence — and some are rooted in decades-old, long-debunked conspiracy theories. But social media posts promoting them have amassed tens of thousands of shares on platforms like Facebook and Twitter.

Some of those posts were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

Officials initially said Epstein, who was accused of abusing and trafficking underage girls, hanged himself. The New York City medical examiner’s office finished an autopsy soon after he was found but said it needed “further information” to formally conclude a cause of death. Federal investigators are still parsing through the particulars of Epstein’s death out of an “abundance of caution.”

Until we get more concrete details about Epstein’s death, we’re not rating claims that speculate about the factors that caused it. But conspiracies about Epstein are rampant on social media, so we wanted to check out the most viral ones.

First, let’s start with some real facts about Epstein’s death.

Guards doing morning rounds at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan found him dead around 6:30 a.m. on Aug. 10 from an apparent hanging. His death came a little more than two weeks after another attempt on his own life, also by hanging.

News reports have said that Epstein had been taken off suicide watch about a week prior to his death. Two guards were supposed to check on him regularly but weren’t following that protocol the night he died. He also didn’t have a cellmate and was alone the night of his death

Criminal justice experts say that suicide is endemic in American jails. A 2016 federal report found that suicide was the leading cause of death in local jails in 2014 — the last year for which such data were released — and accounted for 35% of all jail inmate deaths.

Investigators are still looking into Epstein’s death. But considering he was potentially facing 45 years in prison if convicted, the high rates of suicide in American jails and Epstein’s previous attempt on his own life, foul play remains highly unlikely.

The Clinton conspiracy

In the hours after news broke about Epstein’s apparent suicide, the term “Clintons” and #ClintonBodyCount started trending behind “Epstein” on Twitter. While the posts varied, the central, baseless claim they made remained the same: that the Clintons somehow orchestrated Epstein’s death.

“Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen,” Terrence Williams, a comedian with more than 500,000 followers, tweeted Aug. 10, racking up more than 70,000 retweets. “#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead.”

As of now, there is no evidence to suggest foul play in Epstein’s death, much less that it was coordinated by a former president. But according to Hoaxy, a tool that visualizes the spread of tweets, Williams’ post was among the most-shared tweets with #ClintonBodyCount — thanks in part to a retweet from President Trump.

A top U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department official amplified the conspiracy on Instagram. Williams cross-posted his claim in a video on Facebook, where it got more than 400,000 views. We found several other posts on Facebook that were shared thousands of times.

The conspiracy that the Clintons kill people is not new. In a 1998 fact check about a list of people purportedly murdered by the Clintons, Snopes wrote that similar rumors had been circulating “for about 20 years.” The fact-checking site researched dozens of people on the bogus hit list and rated the hoax false.

PolitiFact has also done extensive fact-checking of conspiracies about the Clintons killing people. In each case, we rated those hoaxes False or Pants on Fire — our worst ratings.

How Clinton knew him

Now let’s look at the second component of Clinton-related conspiracies — the financier’s connection to the former president. This has some basis in fact, but Clinton’s staff has downplayed the connection.

During his life, Epstein made the acquaintance of many powerful people, including Bill Clinton. The former president rode on the financier’s private jet more than a dozen times in the early 2000s, according to flight logs published by Gawker in 2015. A 2016 report from Fox News increased that number to at least 26. Clinton recruited Epstein’s plane for a week-long humanitarian trip to Africa in 2002, before the financier was publicly accused of wrongdoing.

A recent statement, which the former president’s press secretary tweeted July 8, alleged that Clinton took four trips on Epstein’s plane: one to Europe, one to Asia and two to Africa, some of which included stops for work connected to the Clinton Foundation. As the New York Times noted, it’s unclear how many individual flights were made during each trip, which could account for the discrepancy.

The statement also said Clinton visited Epstein’s New York apartment once in 2002, during which he was accompanied by a staff member and security detail. Clinton also met with the financier, according to the statement, in the former president’s Harlem office in 2002.

Clinton denied knowing anything about Epstein’s alleged crimes and said in the statement that he hasn’t “spoken to Epstein in well over a decade.” Prosecutors and other officials have not linked the former president to the accusations against Epstein.

Clinton is not the only high-profile person to have had contact with Epstein over the years. Documents show that President Trump rode on the financier’s private jet and reportedly partied with him in the late 1990s.

But Clinton has not been accused of having sex with minors connected to Epstein, as has been alleged about other famous men. Trump does not currently stand accused of any sexual misconduct related to Epstein, according to recently released documents about the financier’s alleged sex trafficking operation.
Despite all the available facts, the Clintons were still the main target for conspiracists following Epstein’s death. Why? One potential reason is the fact that there’s already a lot of existing misinformation about them.

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Aug 14, 2019 18:08:31   #
Tug484
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
That's happened before.


It sure has.

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Aug 14, 2019 18:08:58   #
Mikeyavelli
 
dongreen76 wrote:
What? he hanged himself latteraly


Literally. 😊

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Aug 14, 2019 18:12:13   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Suicide or not, his death should not have occurred while in imprisonment and under surveillance.


I keep saying it. The corrections personnel involved at all levels are as incompetent as Putin's Nuclear missile engineers. I get the feeling that if these stooges could not protect an obvious high profile prisoner, and super high risk suicide suspect, then this facility likely has much bigger problems.

I would not want to be anyone who has been filling out logs at this place. I bet they are auditing everyone's paperwork and a lot of people are sweating keeping their jobs, and most of them had nothing to do with guarding Jeffrey. Everybody's butt is in the fire now. Scapegoats will be found.

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Aug 14, 2019 18:12:56   #
Tug484
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Literally. 😊


How do you hang yourself on a bed bolted to the floor.
I'm going with the pervs like the debauchery so much, they told him, we'll send you to a foreign country if you'll keep supplying us with young girls.
We have to make this look like you killed yourself or it's going to take down all governments.

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Aug 14, 2019 18:17:42   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
It wasn’t long after Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in a Manhattan jail cell Aug. 10 that conspiracy theories started to bloom.

After? It was predicted from the day he was arrested. There was never even the slightest doubt that he would not survive to answer the charges in court. You can scoff at the 'conspiracy theories' if you want, but he was in a bare cell that doesn't lend itself easily to the commission of suicide. He was murdered, that much is beyond doubt for me and many others. By whose hand may never be determined, but the motive is also quite obvious.

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