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Aug 12, 2019 13:59:01   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/story/2019-08-09/united-states-guns-k**l-tens-of-thousands-of-mexicans-a-year?utm_source=Essential+California&utm_campaign=f631e3b6ee-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_12_12_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6e35f7f85b-f631e3b6ee-84346717

This came to a head with Obama's ATF gun-walking fiasco of more than 2000 guns, many of them the ATF lost track of and one that k**led a CBP officer. What can be done to solve this problem?

Guns from the United States k**l tens of thousands of Mexicans a year
Guns found in California truck in Ensenada, Baja California
The gold GMC utility vehicle stopped by SEDENA in Ensenada had a California license plate. It carried 6 heavy gauge machine guns; 6 tactical bibs; 6 AR-15 rifles; 43 AR-15 loaders and 1290 working cartridges, according to Mexican Army officials.(Courtesy of SEDENA)
Southbound, illegal trafficking of U.S. weapons fuels nearly all of Mexico’s skyrocketing violence, according to law enforcement officials
By WENDY FRY
AUG. 11, 2019 12:01 AM
The 21-year-old who carried out a devastating and r****t rampage at an El Paso Walmart chose a powerful AK-style rifle to commit what is being called “the deadliest attack targeting Latinos in recent U.S. history.”

The American-made weapon he used is also the gun of choice of cartels, and used to k**l hundreds, if not thousands of Mexican citizens, every week.

Each year, tens of thousands of powerful assault rifles are illegally trafficked from the United States into Mexico, mostly by U.S. citizens, where they are used to support cartel-related violence and drug trafficking.

On Monday, Mexico’s president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador urged the United States to enact gun control.


“We are very respectful of what other governments decide but we think these unfortunate events in the United States should prompt reflection, analysis and the decision to control the indiscriminate sale of guns,” said López Obrador at his morning, daily press conference called the mañanera.

Before the El Paso shooting, the Mexican government announced in late July a major new joint operation with the United States to crack down on cross-border gun trafficking. Details remain murky and the U.S. has not yet confirmed it has signed on to participate in the new effort.

At a July 22 news conference in Mexico City, Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard highlighted five border crossings — San Diego-Tijuana; El Paso-Ciudad Juárez; Laredo-Nuevo Laredo; McAllen-Reynosa, and Brownsville-Matamoros) — where the United States and Mexico would try to stem the flow of the more than 200,000 firearms smuggled south every year.

Ebrard said that the number of machine guns seized at crime scenes in the country jumped 63 percent in early 2019, and the number of assault weapons has surged 122 percent.

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The illegal traffic of U.S. guns into Mexico — an underground market worth hundreds of millions of dollars — fuels nearly all of the country’s skyrocketing violence, according to law enforcement officials on both sides of the border.

As the United States renews its decades-long debate over gun control in the wake of the horror of 22 people being gunned down in El Paso, Mexico is reeling from daily drug and gun violence fueled by the illegal southbound traffic of American-made guns.

Jack Riley, a retired DEA agent, said cartels prefer American-made guns for two reasons: because they work and because they are a status symbol.

“It is really important to these criminal organizations, who stay in business by the threat of violence and through the use of violence; and the tools that they prefer to do that with are American-made guns,” said Riley, who wrote the book Drug Warrior about his time as the DEA special agent-in-charge, leading the manhunt for cartel boss Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.

Riley said U.S. citizens trafficking American-made guns through Mexican ports of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border, including through San Ysidro-Tijuana, is big business.

“There is a tremendous market for them and unfortunately there’s a ton of people in the United States willing to do business with some of the cartels,” said Riley.

More than 33,000 people were murdered in Mexico last year, a record high. In Tijuana, a city that saw more than 2,500 homicides last year, earning it the title of “the most violent city in the world,” nearly every single gun seized by police since 2016 came from the United States, according to the city’s chief of police.

A report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office showed that 70 percent of guns seized across all of Mexico have U.S. origins.

During his weekly press briefings, Tijuana’s Director of Public Safety Marco Antonio Sotomayor has taken to emphasizing the United States origins of each AK-47, AR-15 and Glock confiscated by police battling the city’s raging drug violence.

“There’s no way for people to buy guns like these in Mexico. They’re American-made guns. We know they’re being illegally trafficked through California into Tijuana,” said Sotomayor.

Mexican Army arrests two men in California truck full of AR-15 rifles and heavy-gauge machine guns.
Mexican Army arrests two men in California truck full of AR-15 rifles and heavy-gauge machine guns.
Mexico’s constitution grants its citizens the right to own guns. But in practice, obtaining a firearm is very difficult under the country’s strict gun laws.

Only the military is permitted to own high-caliber assault rifles in Mexico.

Any weapon more powerful than a .38 caliber is banned from personal use. Person-to-person firearm sales are also prohibited.

There is only one legal gun store in the entire country. It’s located in Mexico City and run by the Mexican army, which is the only agency permitted to sell guns to anyone in the country. Civilians must undergo a six-month background check.

Between 2013 and 2018 only 218 licenses to carry guns were issued nationwide, according to the Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA), Mexico’s equivalent of the U.S. Department of Defense and the governmental agency that issues gun licenses.

In Tijuana, police seize dozens of illegal firearms each week.

Last month, Mexican soldiers stopped a California SUV carrying an arsenal of large caliber machine guns and rifles in Ensenada. The truck, heading south from California, was carrying six heavy-gauge machine guns inside, along with sk**led cartridges, six tactical bibs, six AR-15-style rifles, 43 AR-15 loaders and 1,290 cartridges.

Law enforcement officials estimate gun runners move around 700 guns into Mexico every single day. That’s a quarter of a million guns each year.

Riley, the retired DEA agent, emphasized the “importance of going after both of these things, not just immigration, narcotics, the flow of illegal money, but the tools with which these criminal organizations rely, and for far too long there hasn’t been enough emphasis both by the Mexicans and to a certain extent by us, for a variety of political reasons, to really go after the gun smugglers.”

In the United States, there is no comprehensive federal law against trafficking firearms, he said.

“That’s an associated industry that’s supporting the criminal element, so it’s just as important to cut them off,” said Riley.

Lawmakers have introduced anti-trafficking bills in Congress, but none have ever passed.

Police on both sides of the border say Mexican immigration officials need better training, equipment and resources to stem the flow of guns into the country.

“They don’t have the manpower. They don’t have the X-ray equipment, and then always in the back of their minds, there is legitimate commerce going both ways that they have to regulate. So many of the things we’re dealing with at our ports of entry, they are too,” said Riley.

The state of Baja California has deployed 300 members of a newly-formed National Guard to high crime areas in Tijuana and part of their mission is to target illegal drug trafficking into the country.

Riley said neither country will have success stemming the problem unless law enforcement works together from both sides of the border.

“It really is a bilateral issue that needs to be addressed consistently, and I think the scary thing about it is we’re not sending a message to the cartels and the drug traffickers that we’re even working together,” he said.

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Aug 12, 2019 14:18:19   #
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Aug 12, 2019 14:24:23   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
https://www.freedomnewsreport.com/2019/08/09/red-alert-we-did-not-elect-trump-to-take-away-our-gun-rights/

Red Alert: We Did Not Elect Trump to Take Away Our Gun Rights

Dear President Trump:

Until you build the wall on our southern border, we don’t want to hear another damn word about how our cherished firearm freedoms are a big problem that needs to be immediately solved. This is your “Read my lips: No new taxes” moment. Don’t blow it by listening to Mitch McConnell or Ivanka.

Sincerely,

America

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) did a radio interview in which he stated that both he and President Trump are now hot-to-trot when it comes to destroying your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. “What we can’t do is fail to pass something,” said McConnell.

Treason-weasel Mitch will consider it a failure if he does not curtail YOUR gun rights in the wake of a couple of isolated incidents in Dayton and El Paso.

Never mind the fact that if you are reading this, you most certainly did not commit a mass shooting in Dayton or El Paso recently. If McConnell is telling the t***h – which is always in doubt – both he and President Trump have a sense of urgency about them to take away your constitutional rights.

McConnell says that an “assault” weapons ban, a federal ‘red f**g’ turn-your-neighbors-in-if-you-don’t-like-them law, and universal background checks (which defeat the entire purpose of the Second Amendment) are all on the table as they rush to restrict the ancient rights and freedoms of law abiding Americans.

Where’s the sense of urgency to actually do the things that President Trump promised to do on the campaign trail?

Yes, it’s terrible that two individuals in a country of 330 million carried out mass shootings in the same day. But how about some urgency for the day-to-day problems that Americans elected President Trump to prevent? Like these:

Andres Fuentes-Castro, originally from El Salvador, has been under an active deportation order since 2010. He was arrested for raping an under-13 child in New Orleans last month.

Alexander Cuellar, another i*****l a***n from El Salvador, waited until his neighbors left their 13-year-old daughter home alone for a few minutes to run some errands in Fort Worth County, Texas last year. Cuellar seized upon the opportunity to break into his neighbor’s apartment and hold the child down while he raped her. We now have the privilege of paying his food, housing and medical benefits in the Texas prison system for the next 20 years.

Jorge Ruiz, an i*****l a***n from Mexico, was just sentenced for k*****g an American nurse in Jemison, Alabama. Ruiz – an Obama dreamer – was driving drunk at 5 a.m. when he crossed the center line and k**led the 29-year-old hard-working African American nurse as she was headed home from her shift.

Felipe Juan Miguel arrived in the United States illegally from Guatemala just three months ago. He was arrested in Boaz, Alabama in July for sexually assaulting a child under the age of 12.

Saul Santos Vasquez-Martinez, an i*****l a***n from El Salvador, was just arrested in Cedar Falls, Iowa. He grabbed a 16-year-old girl off her front porch, d**gged her screaming and kicking into his own home, and attempted to rape her. Fortunately, she escaped from him with only minor physical bruises. Unfortunately, she will probably need years of psychological counseling now.

In Fresno, California, drunk-driving i*****l a***n Gustavo Blanco k**led an American father of five children (the victim’s wife was also pregnant with number six on the way).

Andrea Torralba from Mexico gave birth to an anchor baby in Oxnard, California two weeks ago. You’d think this would be cause for celebration, since the birth of an anchor baby is a golden ticket for an i*****l a***n like Ms. Torralba. Her boyfriend from Mexico, David Villa, was upset, however, because the baby wasn’t his. So, Mr. Villa and Ms. Torralba strangled “Baby Diego” to death in the maternity ward.

19-year-old Felix Joseph Alonzo, another one of those “amazing” Obama dreamers, was arrested in Lubbock, Texas last month. He shot an elderly man to death with a stolen pistol during a home invasion robbery.

Marvin Oswaldo Escobar-Orellana, a twice-deported i*****l a***n from Guatemala, was arrested in Des Moines, Iowa last month. He shot a woman and her two children, ages 11 and 5, to death.

Despite being previously arrested for child rape, 64-year-old i*****l a***n Jose Eduardo Monarca was just arrested again in Thousand Oaks, Washington. Monarca was never deported after serving his first sentence for child rape. He now faces dozens of new charges for raping boys and girls between the ages of 4 and 15, in a child-rape spree that spans from 2003 until today.
I’m pretty sure we didn’t elect Donald Trump to take our guns away so that we would be defenseless against these kinds of criminals.

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Aug 12, 2019 15:30:29   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.freedomnewsreport.com/2019/08/09/red-alert-we-did-not-elect-trump-to-take-away-our-gun-rights/

Red Alert: We Did Not Elect Trump to Take Away Our Gun Rights

Dear President Trump:

Until you build the wall on our southern border, we don’t want to hear another damn word about how our cherished firearm freedoms are a big problem that needs to be immediately solved. This is your “Read my lips: No new taxes” moment. Don’t blow it by listening to Mitch McConnell or Ivanka.

Sincerely,

America

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) did a radio interview in which he stated that both he and President Trump are now hot-to-trot when it comes to destroying your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. “What we can’t do is fail to pass something,” said McConnell.

Treason-weasel Mitch will consider it a failure if he does not curtail YOUR gun rights in the wake of a couple of isolated incidents in Dayton and El Paso.

Never mind the fact that if you are reading this, you most certainly did not commit a mass shooting in Dayton or El Paso recently. If McConnell is telling the t***h – which is always in doubt – both he and President Trump have a sense of urgency about them to take away your constitutional rights.

McConnell says that an “assault” weapons ban, a federal ‘red f**g’ turn-your-neighbors-in-if-you-don’t-like-them law, and universal background checks (which defeat the entire purpose of the Second Amendment) are all on the table as they rush to restrict the ancient rights and freedoms of law abiding Americans.

Where’s the sense of urgency to actually do the things that President Trump promised to do on the campaign trail?

Yes, it’s terrible that two individuals in a country of 330 million carried out mass shootings in the same day. But how about some urgency for the day-to-day problems that Americans elected President Trump to prevent? Like these:

Andres Fuentes-Castro, originally from El Salvador, has been under an active deportation order since 2010. He was arrested for raping an under-13 child in New Orleans last month.

Alexander Cuellar, another i*****l a***n from El Salvador, waited until his neighbors left their 13-year-old daughter home alone for a few minutes to run some errands in Fort Worth County, Texas last year. Cuellar seized upon the opportunity to break into his neighbor’s apartment and hold the child down while he raped her. We now have the privilege of paying his food, housing and medical benefits in the Texas prison system for the next 20 years.

Jorge Ruiz, an i*****l a***n from Mexico, was just sentenced for k*****g an American nurse in Jemison, Alabama. Ruiz – an Obama dreamer – was driving drunk at 5 a.m. when he crossed the center line and k**led the 29-year-old hard-working African American nurse as she was headed home from her shift.

Felipe Juan Miguel arrived in the United States illegally from Guatemala just three months ago. He was arrested in Boaz, Alabama in July for sexually assaulting a child under the age of 12.

Saul Santos Vasquez-Martinez, an i*****l a***n from El Salvador, was just arrested in Cedar Falls, Iowa. He grabbed a 16-year-old girl off her front porch, d**gged her screaming and kicking into his own home, and attempted to rape her. Fortunately, she escaped from him with only minor physical bruises. Unfortunately, she will probably need years of psychological counseling now.

In Fresno, California, drunk-driving i*****l a***n Gustavo Blanco k**led an American father of five children (the victim’s wife was also pregnant with number six on the way).

Andrea Torralba from Mexico gave birth to an anchor baby in Oxnard, California two weeks ago. You’d think this would be cause for celebration, since the birth of an anchor baby is a golden ticket for an i*****l a***n like Ms. Torralba. Her boyfriend from Mexico, David Villa, was upset, however, because the baby wasn’t his. So, Mr. Villa and Ms. Torralba strangled “Baby Diego” to death in the maternity ward.

19-year-old Felix Joseph Alonzo, another one of those “amazing” Obama dreamers, was arrested in Lubbock, Texas last month. He shot an elderly man to death with a stolen pistol during a home invasion robbery.

Marvin Oswaldo Escobar-Orellana, a twice-deported i*****l a***n from Guatemala, was arrested in Des Moines, Iowa last month. He shot a woman and her two children, ages 11 and 5, to death.

Despite being previously arrested for child rape, 64-year-old i*****l a***n Jose Eduardo Monarca was just arrested again in Thousand Oaks, Washington. Monarca was never deported after serving his first sentence for child rape. He now faces dozens of new charges for raping boys and girls between the ages of 4 and 15, in a child-rape spree that spans from 2003 until today.
I’m pretty sure we didn’t elect Donald Trump to take our guns away so that we would be defenseless against these kinds of criminals.
https://www.freedomnewsreport.com/2019/08/09/red-a... (show quote)


Don't worry, they'll pass something that sounds impressive but does nothing.

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Aug 12, 2019 16:52:48   #
Gatsby
 
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/story/2019-08-09/united-states-guns-k**l-tens-of-thousands-of-mexicans-a-year?utm_source=Essential+California&utm_campaign=f631e3b6ee-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_12_12_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6e35f7f85b-f631e3b6ee-84346717

This came to a head with Obama's ATF gun-walking fiasco of more than 2000 guns, many of them the ATF lost track of and one that k**led a CBP officer. What can be done to solve this problem?

Guns from the United States k**l tens of thousands of Mexicans a year
Guns found in California truck in Ensenada, Baja California
The gold GMC utility vehicle stopped by SEDENA in Ensenada had a California license plate. It carried 6 heavy gauge machine guns; 6 tactical bibs; 6 AR-15 rifles; 43 AR-15 loaders and 1290 working cartridges, according to Mexican Army officials.(Courtesy of SEDENA)
Southbound, illegal trafficking of U.S. weapons fuels nearly all of Mexico’s skyrocketing violence, according to law enforcement officials
By WENDY FRY
AUG. 11, 2019 12:01 AM
The 21-year-old who carried out a devastating and r****t rampage at an El Paso Walmart chose a powerful AK-style rifle to commit what is being called “the deadliest attack targeting Latinos in recent U.S. history.”

The American-made weapon he used is also the gun of choice of cartels, and used to k**l hundreds, if not thousands of Mexican citizens, every week.

Each year, tens of thousands of powerful assault rifles are illegally trafficked from the United States into Mexico, mostly by U.S. citizens, where they are used to support cartel-related violence and drug trafficking.

On Monday, Mexico’s president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador urged the United States to enact gun control.


“We are very respectful of what other governments decide but we think these unfortunate events in the United States should prompt reflection, analysis and the decision to control the indiscriminate sale of guns,” said López Obrador at his morning, daily press conference called the mañanera.

Before the El Paso shooting, the Mexican government announced in late July a major new joint operation with the United States to crack down on cross-border gun trafficking. Details remain murky and the U.S. has not yet confirmed it has signed on to participate in the new effort.

At a July 22 news conference in Mexico City, Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard highlighted five border crossings — San Diego-Tijuana; El Paso-Ciudad Juárez; Laredo-Nuevo Laredo; McAllen-Reynosa, and Brownsville-Matamoros) — where the United States and Mexico would try to stem the flow of the more than 200,000 firearms smuggled south every year.

Ebrard said that the number of machine guns seized at crime scenes in the country jumped 63 percent in early 2019, and the number of assault weapons has surged 122 percent.

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The illegal traffic of U.S. guns into Mexico — an underground market worth hundreds of millions of dollars — fuels nearly all of the country’s skyrocketing violence, according to law enforcement officials on both sides of the border.

As the United States renews its decades-long debate over gun control in the wake of the horror of 22 people being gunned down in El Paso, Mexico is reeling from daily drug and gun violence fueled by the illegal southbound traffic of American-made guns.

Jack Riley, a retired DEA agent, said cartels prefer American-made guns for two reasons: because they work and because they are a status symbol.

“It is really important to these criminal organizations, who stay in business by the threat of violence and through the use of violence; and the tools that they prefer to do that with are American-made guns,” said Riley, who wrote the book Drug Warrior about his time as the DEA special agent-in-charge, leading the manhunt for cartel boss Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.

Riley said U.S. citizens trafficking American-made guns through Mexican ports of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border, including through San Ysidro-Tijuana, is big business.

“There is a tremendous market for them and unfortunately there’s a ton of people in the United States willing to do business with some of the cartels,” said Riley.

More than 33,000 people were murdered in Mexico last year, a record high. In Tijuana, a city that saw more than 2,500 homicides last year, earning it the title of “the most violent city in the world,” nearly every single gun seized by police since 2016 came from the United States, according to the city’s chief of police.

A report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office showed that 70 percent of guns seized across all of Mexico have U.S. origins.

During his weekly press briefings, Tijuana’s Director of Public Safety Marco Antonio Sotomayor has taken to emphasizing the United States origins of each AK-47, AR-15 and Glock confiscated by police battling the city’s raging drug violence.

“There’s no way for people to buy guns like these in Mexico. They’re American-made guns. We know they’re being illegally trafficked through California into Tijuana,” said Sotomayor.

Mexican Army arrests two men in California truck full of AR-15 rifles and heavy-gauge machine guns.
Mexican Army arrests two men in California truck full of AR-15 rifles and heavy-gauge machine guns.
Mexico’s constitution grants its citizens the right to own guns. But in practice, obtaining a firearm is very difficult under the country’s strict gun laws.

Only the military is permitted to own high-caliber assault rifles in Mexico.

Any weapon more powerful than a .38 caliber is banned from personal use. Person-to-person firearm sales are also prohibited.

There is only one legal gun store in the entire country. It’s located in Mexico City and run by the Mexican army, which is the only agency permitted to sell guns to anyone in the country. Civilians must undergo a six-month background check.

Between 2013 and 2018 only 218 licenses to carry guns were issued nationwide, according to the Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA), Mexico’s equivalent of the U.S. Department of Defense and the governmental agency that issues gun licenses.

In Tijuana, police seize dozens of illegal firearms each week.

Last month, Mexican soldiers stopped a California SUV carrying an arsenal of large caliber machine guns and rifles in Ensenada. The truck, heading south from California, was carrying six heavy-gauge machine guns inside, along with sk**led cartridges, six tactical bibs, six AR-15-style rifles, 43 AR-15 loaders and 1,290 cartridges.

Law enforcement officials estimate gun runners move around 700 guns into Mexico every single day. That’s a quarter of a million guns each year.

Riley, the retired DEA agent, emphasized the “importance of going after both of these things, not just immigration, narcotics, the flow of illegal money, but the tools with which these criminal organizations rely, and for far too long there hasn’t been enough emphasis both by the Mexicans and to a certain extent by us, for a variety of political reasons, to really go after the gun smugglers.”

In the United States, there is no comprehensive federal law against trafficking firearms, he said.

“That’s an associated industry that’s supporting the criminal element, so it’s just as important to cut them off,” said Riley.

Lawmakers have introduced anti-trafficking bills in Congress, but none have ever passed.

Police on both sides of the border say Mexican immigration officials need better training, equipment and resources to stem the flow of guns into the country.

“They don’t have the manpower. They don’t have the X-ray equipment, and then always in the back of their minds, there is legitimate commerce going both ways that they have to regulate. So many of the things we’re dealing with at our ports of entry, they are too,” said Riley.

The state of Baja California has deployed 300 members of a newly-formed National Guard to high crime areas in Tijuana and part of their mission is to target illegal drug trafficking into the country.

Riley said neither country will have success stemming the problem unless law enforcement works together from both sides of the border.

“It really is a bilateral issue that needs to be addressed consistently, and I think the scary thing about it is we’re not sending a message to the cartels and the drug traffickers that we’re even working together,” he said.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-b... (show quote)


Your source claims "Riley said U.S. citizens trafficking American-made guns".

That claim is far from honest. Any foreign national with a green card can buy firearms in the US.

Many years ago I worked part time in a gun shop in Oceanside Ca., every pay day we sold at least

one Colt 1911 in .38 Super to a green card holder. The .38 Super was one of the few calibers

that civilians were allowed to own. Now the cartels are simply send their buyers across the border.

If they want to fix the problem, that is the place to start, track all firearm sales to non citizens!

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Aug 12, 2019 17:07:48   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Gatsby wrote:
Your source claims "Riley said U.S. citizens trafficking American-made guns".

That claim is far from honest. Any foreign national with a green card can buy firearms in the US.

Many years ago I worked part time in a gun shop in Oceanside Ca., every pay day we sold at least

one Colt 1911 in .38 Super to a green card holder. The .38 Super was one of the few calibers

that civilians were allowed to own. Now the cartels are simply send their buyers across the border.

If they want to fix the problem, that is the place to start, track all firearm sales to non citizens!
Your source claims "Riley said U.S. citizens ... (show quote)


No, that is pretty honest. But it is a generalization. There are exceptions to everything, just as you pointed out. That doesn't invalidate what the article says.

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Aug 12, 2019 18:29:15   #
Gatsby
 
dtucker300 wrote:
No, that is pretty honest. But it is a generalization. There are exceptions to everything, just as you pointed out. That doesn't invalidate what the article says.


It does call into question both his research methods, and his objectivity.

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Aug 12, 2019 18:51:02   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Gatsby wrote:
It does call into question both his research methods, and his objectivity.


Remember, this is a second-hand source, not the original study. You expect a newspaper to publish every fine point of the study? This may be an article about a summary of the study. Things get lost in t***slation.

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Aug 12, 2019 21:03:12   #
Gatsby
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Remember, this is a second-hand source, not the original study. You expect a newspaper to publish every fine point of the study? This may be an article about a summary of the study. Things get lost in t***slation.


A diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks shows that 90 percent of the heavy weapons used
by the drug cartels come from Central America. According to the published documents,
U.S. diplomats in Mexico believe that these weapons are being stolen from the armed forces
of Central American countries.
Hezbollah and the Colombian FARC terrorist groups also deserve blame, as there are increasing
indications that they are in bed with the drug cartels and are providing them with training,
financing and possibly arms.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/90583/where-drug-cartels-really-get-their-arms-ryan-mauro

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Aug 12, 2019 22:33:08   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Gatsby wrote:
A diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks shows that 90 percent of the heavy weapons used
by the drug cartels come from Central America. According to the published documents,
U.S. diplomats in Mexico believe that these weapons are being stolen from the armed forces
of Central American countries.
Hezbollah and the Colombian FARC terrorist groups also deserve blame, as there are increasing
indications that they are in bed with the drug cartels and are providing them with training,
financing and possibly arms.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/90583/where-drug-cartels-really-get-their-arms-ryan-mauro
A diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks shows tha... (show quote)


Your article doesn't say who the biggest supplier of weapons is to the Central American countries military. But it does call into question the details of the SD Union-Tribune story and the principals narrative. Do you actually think everything from the left-wing media is objectively reported?

However, the point to this thread was to demonstrate the left's total desire to enact gun control, enlisting the aid and additional urging from Mexico's President. They will lie and misrepresent facts and figures to achieve their ends. Just another example of the left's phony techniques to achieve power at any costs and malign conservatives and America. What were you expecting? Somewhere between the two extremes lies the t***h. That is why I posted the article that conservatives did not elect Trump to take away gun rights.

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Aug 18, 2019 19:44:20   #
Gatsby
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Your article doesn't say who the biggest supplier of weapons is to the Central American countries military. But it does call into question the details of the SD Union-Tribune story and the principals narrative. Do you actually think everything from the left-wing media is objectively reported?

However, the point to this thread was to demonstrate the left's total desire to enact gun control, enlisting the aid and additional urging from Mexico's President. They will lie and misrepresent facts and figures to achieve their ends. Just another example of the left's phony techniques to achieve power at any costs and malign conservatives and America. What were you expecting? Somewhere between the two extremes lies the t***h. That is why I posted the article that conservatives did not elect Trump to take away gun rights.
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Update: It isn't US citizens that are providing these guns, it's the Mexican government.

You will have to read this to believe it! Just a little sample:

"There have been 150,000 or more Mexican soldiers defect to go work for the cartels, and I think it's safe to assume that when they defect they take their firearms with them."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/legal-us-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cartels/

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Aug 19, 2019 15:04:13   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Gatsby wrote:
Update: It isn't US citizens that are providing these guns, it's the Mexican government.

You will have to read this to believe it! Just a little sample:

"There have been 150,000 or more Mexican soldiers defect to go work for the cartels, and I think it's safe to assume that when they defect they take their firearms with them."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/legal-us-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cartels/


It's the U.S. supplying the weapons. This article is almost 8 years old and a lot has changed since then. The drug cartels have become even more brazen and violent against Mexican citizens.

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