Society not guns is the problem: Our society demonizes Christianity, traditional family values and lessened the value of the most innocent life's. I ask you is this really the world...

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Our society demonizes Christianity, traditional family values and lessened the value of the most innocent life's.

I ask you is this really the world you wish to promote?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/02/wisconsin-girls-stabbing/9881587/

Brian Devon

Constitutional libertarian wrote:

Our society demonizes Christianity, traditional family values and lessened the value of the most innocent life's.

I ask you is this really the world you wish to promote?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/02/wisconsin-girls-stabbing/9881587/

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Do you really believe that Christianity is the only theology or ideology that opposes this type of horrible behavior?

Really???

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Brian Devon wrote:

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Do you really believe that Christianity is the only theology or ideology that opposes this type of horrible behavior?

Really???

I apologize for the brevity of my statement and lack of inclusion of other traditional spiritual life styles.

But would you not agree that these children were negatively influenced by our societies changing views of appropriate main stream culture.

Brian Devon

Constitutional libertarian wrote:

I apologize for the brevity of my statement and lack of inclusion of other traditional spiritual life styles.

But would you not agree that these children were negatively influenced by our societies changing views of appropriate main stream culture.

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I just found out about this story yesterday. Needless to say, it is very shocking and disturbing. I don't know enough about the story to understand the key elements that led to the tragedy.

The only piece with which I am familiar is the reference to a web site that specializes in horror fantasies.

99% of us, when exposed to horror stories do not react by creating our own horror.

In the days to come, it is important to gain an understanding of why these girls had not internalized some of the most basic lessons of early childhood.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Brian Devon wrote:

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Do you really believe that Christianity is the only theology or ideology that opposes this type of horrible behavior?

Really???

What a peculiar thing to say...

Why not instead of a derogatory attack make a positive assertion concerning other ideologies that would reduce such incidents?

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Brian Devon wrote:

************* br br I just found out about this s... (show quote)

Why?

Why is it "important to gain an understanding of why these girls had not internalized some of the most basic lessons of early childhood?"

What is gained by such an approach?

If it is desirable, how would you go about ascertaining the motivations that prohibited adopting certain beliefs held by you and others who think such activities are "horrible?"

Brian Devon

[quote=Augustus Greatorex]Why?

Why is it "important to gain an understanding of why these girls had not internalized some of the most basic lessons of early childhood?"

What is gained by such an approach?

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What is gained is the knowledge of how to prevent future tragedies like this.

It's the same reason we investigate the causes of plane crashes.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Brian Devon wrote:

************* br br I just found out about this s... (show quote)

Well there are many ways I could respond to your attempt at deflecting my tie down statement.

The point I am trying to make is these little girls ability to internalize right from wrong has been desensitized by mass media, the ease of accessibility to more mature material and an overall lowering of the value of life.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

Why?

Why is it "important to gain an understanding of why these girls had not internalized some of the most basic lessons of early childhood?"

What is gained by such an approach?

Brian Devon wrote:

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What is gained is the knowledge of how to prevent future tragedies like this.

It's the same reason we investigate the causes of plane crashes.

Really??

Pilots examine the reports concerning plane crashes to avoid the same fate.
Do you expect children to examine the reports concerning children who don't personally accept your values to avoid the fate of your condemnation?

The purposes cannot be the same.

In your estimation what is the tragedy, here?

Brian Devon

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

Really??

Pilots examine the reports concerning plane crashes to avoid the same fate.
Do you expect children to examine the reports concerning children who don't personally accept your values to avoid the fate of your condemnation?

The purposes cannot be the same.

In your estimation what is the tragedy, here?

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It's not children's task to read the reports. It's the job of parents and educators to do so.

It's not the job of plane passengers to identify plane crash causes, it is the job of the FAA.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Augustus Greatorex wrote:

Really??

Pilots examine the reports concerning plane crashes to avoid the same fate.
Do you expect children to examine the reports concerning children who don't personally accept your values to avoid the fate of your condemnation?

The purposes cannot be the same.

In your estimation what is the tragedy, here?

That societies moral demise has rationalized away the value of human life.

I accept the fact that certain people cannot look at the evidence or analyze it in way that comes to this conclusion. They refuse to accept that their way of life and social norms of political correctness maybe harmful to society as a whole may actually be true.

But go on keep proving my theory is correct.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Brian Devon wrote:

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It's not children's task to read the reports. It's the job of parents and educators to do so.

It's not the job of plane passengers to identify plane crash causes, it is the job of the FAA.

There you are mistaken the FAA investigates and writes reports, but it is the job of the pilot to read the reports. The pilot chooses how and where to fly the plane.

A child internalizes lessons by accepting the t***h and validity of the lessons. A child decides what they are going to do and how they will accomplish doing so.

For the child to "internalize the most basic lessons of early childhood," the child must personally accept a set of beliefs and values based on experiences in early childhood.

So either the child internalizes values and beliefs, or the child is manipulated and controlled by parents and educators for the child's entire life.

Are you contending that parents and educators should manipulate children into behaving in a certain manner?

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

Constitutional libertarian wrote:

Our society demonizes Christianity, traditional family values and lessened the value of the most innocent life's.

I ask you is this really the world you wish to promote?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/02/wisconsin-girls-stabbing/9881587/

From the link:
"As the details became more apparent, it's extremely disturbing as a parent and as a chief of police, especially with the age of the suspects and being female," said Police Chief Russell Jack. "This is a very disturbing investigation."

He called it "a wake-up call for parents" to monitor their children's Internet use.

It's sad to me that in 12 years the parents didn't have a relationship with their children that would have the kids sharing their interest in, "Slenderman," with them. "Monitor their childs' Internet use," indeed.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Constitutional libertarian wrote:

Our society demonizes Christianity, traditional family values and lessened the value of the most innocent life's.

I ask you is this really the world you wish to promote?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/02/wisconsin-girls-stabbing/9881587/

Could you please share (assuming you're a Christian) the last time YOU felt demonized. I don't mean you were offended because schools don't want prayer or Christian clubs, seriously when were YOU-PERSONALLY demonized by members of society? What did you do about it? Get angry?

I personally haven't been told that:
I can't pray at work
I can't talk about God
that I can't invite people to my church

EVER!

The groups (ACLU) are promoting themselves by fighting cases, this is how the law (and laws) get studied. How you "fight" these issues is far more important that how you think society treats you. Think about the impression Christians make when they make fun of someones else's belief, how have Christian's been tolerant-according the the legal record-NEVER.

Go read BearK's devotion for today, might help you to consider pulling down your Mainsail and Jib, take a breather. Joshua 1:9.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Dummy Boy wrote:

Could you please share (assuming you're a Christia... (show quote)

Again I will repeat myself my original post was remiss in not including other forms of traditional value spiritual groups or religions.

But you asked have I personally no but then I personally choose to associate with significantly more people I have things in come on with than those I do not.

Yet that doesn't mean that anti Christian rhetoric isn't prevalent in both the MSM or the government.

http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/dhs-trains-law-enforcement-that-christians-are-domestic-terrorists/

Or just stay here on OPP and look up the "let's talk about Christians" thread.