2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

Other than the obvious why is it that when people as a whole disagree in a discussion between Progressives and Conservatives only one side decides to use the race card? Is it because Progressives really do not have the ability to justify their positions so the end result is for them to start calling the other side of any debate they disagree with R****T! Seriously! What does that tell us? All OF US! Is it necessarily because the Progressives never have good ideas? Not at all! In my opinion Progressives don't bother to see what the other side has to say to perhaps refine or redefine their own positions. The only things I have been seeing with my own two eyes is that due to intellectual dishonesty and the inability to admit when they may be wrong like conservatives do and have in the past. I for one have made numerous mistakes and unfortunately ASSUMPTIONS in my life where I have had to admit where I was just wrong and fortunately someone wiser than I was able to help me to better understand where my thoughts were incorrect and thank goodness. So why is it so hard for Progressives to be able to take constructive criticism when they can out right lie or misrepresent whats happening? As far as I know no one ha ever been found to be perfect at least in mortal form.
Semper Fi
Mike

https://youtu.be/NHJeeWVBokg

Iliamna1

There was One Who was perfect in mortal form, but He was nailed to a cross for that.

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

Sounds R****t to me.

JW

What it says is that they are fixated on race. Calling someone else what they are is called t***sference, I believe. Our side doesn't think race really matters. Our side thinks what matters is culture... how one behaves and what one thinks and believes.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I too have been found to be in error 2 or three times on OPP and have admitted it and apologized for it. I have yet to see anyone on the left do so. Instead, they try to shame us for believing the t***h, try to discredit our news sources, call us names, or just go silent. Either way, they do this because they have no answers.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

I think they have a moral superiority complex, they don't think they are capable of being wrong. Which kind of hints they don't believe they are mere mortals and are elite beings and should always win.

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

In other words my OPP Mates, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS and FRAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDS! At least you all and I are not afraid to be wrong and to admit.
Semper Fi
Mike

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Mike, progressives bless their hearts are also arrogant, tyrannical almost a God complex. This renders them unable to see their own failures, so they have to find someone to blame and "you're a r****t" which I find ludicrous is the easiest one. Ludicrous because it's been so overused that it has lost any meaning.

PeterS

Conservatives call liberals r****t all the time. Ask Blade Runner, he thinks I am the biggest r****t of all.


How do you conservatives adjust your positions based on the argument? I have debated conservatives for close to 20 years and I have yet to run across one who would change his/her minds.


What it tells me is that you are placing the onus on others without accepting any responsibility yourself. And it depends on what you mean by good ideas. Liberalism is largely a reactive ideology and it changes based on the world around it. A single-payer system for healthcare and expanding the educational opportunities so that our children don't have to bankrupt themselves simply to gain an education are examples of that.

You conservatives don't think those are good ideas though do you? You prefer a free-market solution but what you don't understand is that a free market can't handle areas of infinite demand, such as healthcare where no matter the cost we will still seek it out or education where we have to have it to be employable at a level above subsistence.

So the question begged is what are your good ideas and what makes them good over the alternatives presented by Liberals.


Liberals are always redefining their positions. You can't be progressive if you always stay the same.


Intellectual dishonesty by whom? Donald Trump has used the following words to describe Hispanics: Preditors, invaders, k**lers, murderers, rapists, criminals, vermin, and animals.

Does he use these words because this is how he feels about Hispanics or because he knows that that is how the majority of who he wants to be in his base feels about Hispanics? You are the one who brought up intellectual honesty so I would appreciate if you would think about that and give an honest answer to the question?

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

You said, First of all, your use of the word Hispanics puts them all into one group...as in ALL Hispanics, which is incorrect. He said SOME Hispanics, not all. Trump's base also does not put ALL Hispanics into one category, but they, we, myself realizes that SOME of them are predators, invaders, k**lers, murderers, rapists, criminals, vermin, and animals.
So, your question should have been, "Is this how Trump really feels about "SOME" Hispanics? " Why, yes is the answer. The second part should have read, "Or is this because he knows that the majority of his base feels this way about "SOME" Hispanics?" Once again, the answer is yes.
What you seem to refuse to accept is that Trump has never categorized a whole people by race, but rather on their character as individuals, unless he was talking about gang members.

PeterS

So walk into a Walmart and which Hispanics are Hispanics and which ones are the vermin, the criminals, the animals? Did the El Paso shooter single out the Vermin from the okay ones? Did he let those go? You don't have to say all to know that it is inclusive unless you can tell me how you can separate the wheat from the shaft? Trump drew a target on a group of people and now the sickest people on the right are trying to k**l them. Go figure...it aint that hard...

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Fair question. For starters, how about the ole' visual method of identification?

How to tell the wheat from the chaff?
Are ALL white people "w***e s*********ts"? How do you separate them out? Are ALL black people on welfare? How do you separate them out? Are ALL Muslims terrorists? How do you separate them out? Are all people liberals? How do you separate them out? Well, I can answer that one...you KNOW their liberal when there were 2 mass shootings in one weekend, one by a extreme right winger and the other by an extreme left winger, and only the right winger is mentioned. You see, the extreme left wing shooter doesn't fit the h**e Trump narrative so he is just not spoken about.
Peter, you're trying to use logic to support your bias and it isn't working.

PeterS

And why isn't logic working? I doubt that there was a single person shot in El Paso who looked like an MS13 gang member. You're simply reaching and nothing more.

As for the Daton shooter--he was a lunatic but there was nothing to show that he k**led people because of his ideology or because the rhetoric of anyone on the left influenced him to go on his rampage. Therein lies the difference--the El Paso Shooters manifesto sounded like Trump wrote it. And the same stands for everyone--ban all semi-automatic weapons and eventually these type of events will be a thing of the past. Ideology won't matter if you don't have a weapon capable of mass destruction. So how do you like that logic...

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

The Dayton DID have a manifesto...he said he would happily v**e for Liz Warren (a socialist) and that he was a socialist and was not going to wait for the i***ts to come around to it. I agree he was a lunatic but so was the El Paso shooter. So would anybody be that would commit such a horrid act.

PeterS

The El Paso shooter made it very clear why he went to El Paso to commit his rampage. That was in his manifesto...had you bothered to read it. Warren being a socialist (your words not the shooters) has nothing to do with why he went on his rampage. While I agree both are lunatics being lunatics wasn't necessarily the motivation for both shootings...