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Aug 8, 2019 09:21:18   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Your comments generally seem to recognize & present reasonable balance. In this case, I found the article powerful...too much so to be dismissed. I prefaced it in an effort to recognize that an alternate view could be found and presented. OPP is, after all, a sounding board for all perspectives.

Have a great day, Lady Rose


I don’t want to give the impression I was being dismissive. It echoes generally how many feel with whats going on. We are tired of the rhetoric. Our country is crumbling from within.

One of my daily prayers is for Trump to be more careful when speaking.

You have yourself a great day too.

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Aug 8, 2019 09:53:59   #
debeda
 
Rose42 wrote:
You did emphasize it comes from both sides but the author didn’t seem to get it. Otherwise a good article even though one sided.


Well said, Rose. I agree.

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Aug 8, 2019 09:56:03   #
debeda
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I agree with this Slatten, but I think that L*****t sources & instances of h**e are far greater than Right wing. Just on OPP, I have never read anything that matches the hatred & vitriol in the postings from Keven, PeterS, Lone Wolf and others.

And it's the Left that is always warning about right wing extremism yet who's been doing the r**ting? Can anyone even remotely claim that Black L***s M****r and A****a are right wing. With everyone of these shootings, the L*****ts frantically search for evidence of right wing malcontent yet, more of them seem to have left wing backgrounds. Were The Reign of Terror, Stalin's Show Trials, Castro's purges (that have been conveniently swept under the rug and ignored) and Pol Pot's K*****g Fields in any way Rightist (I am not mentioning Hitler's horrors which the Left has successfully pinned on Rightist when Hitler was a socialist).

The writer is correct - people who are filled with h**e, are vexations for soul, both for others and themselves. They must be very unhappy people.

A huge problem is that they are often fairly articulate and intelligent and their rantings with their spewing of vitriol seem to be clever putdowns but, on inspection are nowhere near the cleverness of Winston Churchill or William F. Buckley. Rather it is simply name calling. They thus garner an audience, a la Hillary Clinton with her deplorables and irredeemibles remarks. They despise all who disagree with them on anything and likely despise each other as well. Don't forget those purges.

And one last point! Such attitudes are often sources of violence and signs of true psychopathology. These people are unbalanced.
I agree with this Slatten, but I think that L*****... (show quote)


Very true.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:16:42   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
I don’t want to give the impression I was being dismissive. It echoes generally how many feel with whats going on. We are tired of the rhetoric. Our country is crumbling from within.

One of my daily prayers is for Trump to be more careful when speaking.

You have yourself a great day too.

My apologies, in that I meant the article was too powerful for me to dismiss, thus, why I posted it.

I should have been clearer.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:21:26   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
My apologies, in that I meant the article was too powerful for me to dismiss, thus, why I posted it.

I should have been clearer.


I understood your meaning and its nice to read articles without the unneeded hyperbole.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:21:45   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
My apologies to all, in that I meant the article was too powerful for me to dismiss, and why I posted it.

I should have been clearer.


No, you were quite clear that you think it's both sides. And you're right. I made a reply earlier that got lost in the shuffle. And that reply was that disagreement is NOT h**e. I feel that a lot of the howling about "h**e" is people feeling triggered or disrespected or wh**ever it is nowadays cuz others disagree with their worldview.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:25:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
debeda wrote:
Very true.

Good post, C-L., but one note: I found Daniel Patrick Moynihan's wit & knowledge equal to any's.

I've posted several times about the quality of his and Buckley's exchanges on the old 'Firing Line' series.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:30:54   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
debeda wrote:
No, you were quite clear that you think it's both sides. And you're right. I made a reply earlier that got lost in the shuffle. And that reply was that disagreement is NOT h**e. I feel that a lot of the howling about "h**e" is people feeling triggered or disrespected or wh**ever it is nowadays cuz others disagree with their worldview.

I well recall your comment about disagreement not being h**e...and, I agree. My comment was to Rose's inferring I was being dismissive of her or others posts/comments. I would not intentionally be so rude.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:38:59   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
I well recall your comment about disagreement not being h**e...and, I agree. My comment was to Rose's inferring I was being dismissive of her or others posts/comments. I would not intentionally be so rude.


I dont believe you would be. Seriously, tho, part of what stokes all of this is the media, on both sides. I know as a conservative I can't stand watching the alphabet soup denigrating and dismissing anyone who disagrees with their approved narrative. And to watch interviewers ARGUE with guests that they've asked for an opinion from is more than a little weird. Why I cant stand TV anymore. Particularly "news" shows......

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Aug 8, 2019 10:46:41   #
TrueAmerican
 
slatten49 wrote:
Below is a cut'n paste article that, in light of current events, I found highly topical. It is an opinion with which some will identify. I insist on emphasizing that h**eful people come from all sides of the ideological or partisan divide. That's made quite clear simply by reading comments within the OPP forum on a regular basis. It is inevitable that some of that h**efulness will surface again, as readers will take what they will from the following.
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By John Pavlovitz

I think many people in America are exhausted right now. I know I am.

H**eful people will do that to you.

You see, it’s difficult enough on our best days, to get out of bed knowing that there will be all sorts of adversity out there; unexpected challenges and unanticipated conflicts that we could never foresee or predict. It’s a Herculean undertaking just to be willing to brave that likelihood. It’s another thing entirely, to know for certain that you will experience spectacular hatred simply by choosing to participate in this current version of America. It is a given now.

When h**eful people have power (as they now do), they embolden other h**eful people, giving them license to unleash the God-awful things that they’d otherwise keep concealed and subjecting the rest of us to a regular cavalcade of horrors. This is what our country is experiencing in these days: a Renaissance of open bigotry—and it will level you if you have a working heart.

The other morning I saw a picture of a middle-aged man at a convenience store with a t-shirt that said, GRAB AMERICA BY THE P*SSY. My first thought was, “What on earth is wrong with him?” My immediate follow-up questions were about his wife or children if he had them; about his parents, friends, boss, pastor or church. I wondered how someone becomes the kind of man who would see a GRAB AMERICA BY THE P*SSY t-shirt and think, “This is just what my wardrobe is lacking!”

And I grew weary.

Then, I happened upon some Twitter trolls with MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hashtags, harassing a Muslim-American woman with vicious, vile messages about “going back where she came from” and taunting her with images of bombed out Syrian villages. I started to engage them, and they quickly commented that being a “filthy Jew libtard,” I should leave as well. I considered breaking the news to them that I’m not Jewish, but would feel no shame if I were—

But I just became tired.

Later I read our President’s Twitter feed; a seemingly endless parade of angry, nonsensical ramblings, wild accusations, unhinged conspiracy theories, and mischaracterizations of the press, women, immigrants, Democrats, protestors—most of America. I began responding to him.

But I grew exasperated.

I surveyed the latest monstrosities manufactured by Stephen Miller, Mitch McConnell, and Mike Pence; all their legislative assaults on the poor and already marginalized. I considered an opposing response, but soon gave up.

I felt drained.

I happened upon a Facebook post from a former church friend back in Charlotte; a bitter, racially charged tirade about “lazy people living off the Government, finally having to be responsible.” Knowing he was a Christian, I started to reply with some quotes from Jesus that I wish he’d consider.

But I quickly became fatigued.

I overheard a conversation at a local coffee shop, with a woman going on and on about how much Donald Trump, “clearly loved his wife,” and how she had “zero respect” for Barack Obama as a husband and father.

I nearly went into a coma.

It was barely 11 AM.

I strongly considered going back to bed.

Lately, many Americans are enduring such days with stunning regularity, and coming to terms with this irrefutable t***h: H**eful people who are bent on being h**eful will wear you the heck out.

They are thoroughly frustrating because they do not respond to facts, data, honest questions, personal stories, heartfelt pleas, civil discussion, or any of the things many of us grew-up believing people wanted when engaging in disagreement. They are fully entrenched in their heavily fortified position of contempt and they are not budging. And so, even if your instinct and intention is to build a bridge or have a conversation or find common ground with them, they have little interest, if such things mean having to relinquish any of the hatred their hearts have become so set on harboring. They seemingly would rather retain rightness than entertain reality—and this is fully tiring to encounter every day.

Now, this far into perhaps the most openly h**eful Presidency in our nation’s history, I confess that I am profoundly exhausted; from lazy racial stereotypes, from alternative Fox News facts, from hackneyed narratives about Muslims and gay and Jewish and brown-skinned people, and from a President who is mortally allergic to decency.

The Scriptures of my religious tradition often mention Jesus withdrawing to the solitary places to pray (Lk 5:16, Mt 12:15, Mt 14:13, Lk 22:41.) I imagine this is how he was able to sustain himself while encountering h**eful people while not becoming h**eful himself—how he was able to keep being the voice of love surrounded by so many bitterly opposing voices. I am trying to find this healthy rhythm of withdrawing and engaging, but it is hard to come by.

Like the vast majority of this country, I want it to be the place where e******y, diversity, and decency find sanctuary, and though I am fully committed to the aspiration, I am feeling the cumulative weariness sustained from a small but fierce portion of the population (including far too much of its leadership) whose narrative about the world depends upon acrimony for so much of it. I know that I’m not alone in this emotional depletion and physical fatigue.

But the people consumed with hatred will not consume me, and they will not change my heart toward the world. They will not derail my path or alter my convictions.

I will be a person of love here or I will die trying.

If you find that you are similarly weary today, be encouraged. Rest and resist and fight to remain loving.
H**eful people are exhausting—so refuse to become one of them.
Below is a cut'n paste article that, in light of c... (show quote)


I could not agree more, if the h**e filled l*****t liberal demonRATs would work with the president to the betterment of the USA we would ALL not be so exhausted and our country could go back to being great again, we could quit apologizing for our great nation, we could start caring for our American brothers and sisters (not the rest of the world), we could care for our veterans, our elderly and the not born yet innocent infants. I love when a l*****t liberal loon such as yourself talks about the hatred of our president and at the same time condones the MURDER of innocent infants by piss poor planned parenthood. You my friend are a hypocrite to the nth degree !!!!!!

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Aug 8, 2019 10:57:21   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
What I became tired of was reading all of his examples were about so called hatred on the right. I find that same kind of hatred on the left so his tirade became meaningless and biased and full of crap.


Me too. The greatest h**eful attitudes come from the Trump H**ers by far!! I understand the sentiment, but really, who ever wrote that is obviously a Trump H**er and a l*****t. Even if they denied it, I wouldn't believe them.

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Aug 8, 2019 11:17:46   #
bahmer
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
What I became tired of was reading all of his examples were about so called hatred on the right. I find that same kind of hatred on the left so his tirade became meaningless and biased and full of crap.


I totally agree with you on that because I thought that Barack Obama was one of the most h**ed presidents because of his d******eness between people and law enforcement and his literal hatred of the USA.

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Aug 8, 2019 11:20:51   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Here is some h**eful attitude in action, filled with lies and slander! Jump to about 35 seconds or so to hear Beto's h**e on full display.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/05/el-paso-shooting-vigil-beto-orourke-sot-earlystart-vpx.cnn

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Aug 8, 2019 11:46:42   #
Rose42
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Me too. The greatest h**eful attitudes come from the Trump H**ers by far!! I understand the sentiment, but really, who ever wrote that is obviously a Trump H**er and a l*****t. Even if they denied it, I wouldn't believe them.


Until both sides recognize that they are both complicit with regards to h**eful rhetoric nothing will change

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Aug 8, 2019 12:41:51   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
TrueAmerican wrote:
I could not agree more, if the h**e filled l*****t liberal demonRATs would work with the president to the betterment of the USA we would ALL not be so exhausted and our country could go back to being great again, we could quit apologizing for our great nation, we could start caring for our American brothers and sisters (not the rest of the world), we could care for our veterans, our elderly and the not born yet innocent infants. I love when a l*****t liberal loon such as yourself talks about the hatred of our president and at the same time condones the MURDER of innocent infants by piss poor planned parenthood. You my friend are a hypocrite to the nth degree !!!!!!
I could not agree more, if the h**e filled l*****t... (show quote)

Please provide proof of your accusation(s) of me. Until then (you won't/can't), I call you out for fabricating & spreading falsehoods.

Otherwise, have a nice day, ya' heah

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