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State Socialism in the Reddest of States??
Aug 2, 2019 02:22:44   #
truthiness
 
Can it be? It must have been disastrous...people quit working, the state went to the dogs, soon there will be replacement state for 'thank goodness for Mississippi.' Who are those Red C****es?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/13/16997188/alaska-basic-income-permanent-fund-oil-revenue-study

Oh! Here is the secret, they just don't call it socialism, and then by decree it isn't:

https://medium.com/@newworldoptimist/be-careful-calling-the-permanent-fund-dividend-socialism-in-front-of-an-alaskan-aeea95ea4f20

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Aug 2, 2019 02:58:48   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
Sounds like Alaska is selling of some of its assets (oil) and just distributing a fair share to the owners of Alaska, Alaskans. Like stock holders.

Perhaps that is what Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq, etc. should be doing, They own there own lands as much as anyone.

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Aug 2, 2019 03:48:08   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
t***hiness wrote:
Can it be? It must have been disastrous...people quit working, the state went to the dogs, soon there will be replacement state for 'thank goodness for Mississippi.' Who are those Red C****es?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/13/16997188/alaska-basic-income-permanent-fund-oil-revenue-study

Oh! Here is the secret, they just don't call it socialism, and then by decree it isn't:

https://medium.com/@newworldoptimist/be-careful-calling-the-permanent-fund-dividend-socialism-in-front-of-an-alaskan-aeea95ea4f20
Can it be? It must have been disastrous...people q... (show quote)


Even the Neanderthal folks kept some of their old people alive.

Why, !! there's one Neanderthal I read about lived to be over 50, had only one tooth left when he died, the average age of Neanderthals was 30.

This is the first instance of Socialism my research has come up with.

Now,!! why this is important is due to the fact that using politics to create culture has produced a few good things, although I haven't come across as yet, but cultural developments have always done very well without cheap political tricks to portray material interests as culture.


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Aug 2, 2019 17:35:11   #
truthiness
 
RT friend wrote:
Even the Neanderthal folks kept some of their old people alive.

Why, !! there's one Neanderthal I read about lived to be over 50, had only one tooth left when he died, the average age of Neanderthals was 30.

This is the first instance of Socialism my research has come up with.

Now,!! why this is important is due to the fact that using politics to create culture has produced a few good things, although I haven't come across as yet, but cultural developments have always done very well without cheap political tricks to portray material interests as culture.

Even the Neanderthal folks kept some of their old ... (show quote)


I hope I am reading your comment correctly. Is your Neanderthal case an example of socialism? It appears to me to be a situation where the group had to decide to keep a senior citizen alive and to do so it had to share its resources. This sounds to me like a socialistic act.

Is the difference between socialism and culture that you may be making depend on the size of the group--i.e., it is called culture when the of sharing resources with a non-producer occurs in a small group (tribe), but is called socialism when it occurs in a group that is very very large (country)?

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Aug 2, 2019 17:39:07   #
truthiness
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Sounds like Alaska is selling of some of its assets (oil) and just distributing a fair share to the owners of Alaska, Alaskans. Like stock holders.

Perhaps that is what Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq, etc. should be doing, They own there own lands as much as anyone.

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But that Alaskan oil is in the United States and in that sense don't all the states have a right to at least part of it. Why don't the people in Mississippi have a claim to part of that socialistic handout?

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Aug 2, 2019 20:37:51   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
t***hiness wrote:
I hope I am reading your comment correctly. Is your Neanderthal case an example of socialism? It appears to me to be a situation where the group had to decide to keep a senior citizen alive and to do so it had to share its resources. This sounds to me like a socialistic act.

Is the difference between socialism and culture that you may be making depend on the size of the group--i.e., it is called culture when the of sharing resources with a non-producer occurs in a small group (tribe), but is called socialism when it occurs in a group that is very very large (country)?
I hope I am reading your comment correctly. Is you... (show quote)


This is one argument against it being socialism, it comes from the idea that there is this industrial processes that was, and is still very technical, that the Neanderthals used to glue flintstones to the tips of their spears, it wasn't just sap and binding as most people think.

What they did was, Neanderthals got all this bark from a certain tree and heated it up to a certain temperature catching all the drips from the bark in some kind of container, the whole process had to be enclosed to make the bark sweat and bleed not singe and scar over.

If the Neanderthals only kept a few old people alive by feeding them and giving them precious shelter because they were expert technicians, what would be the chances of our finding this old Neanderthal who lived almost twice as long as the average ?.

Spain has uncovered 28 Neanderthal people.
China ?.
Croatia 30.
South Africa 18.
Lucy who we all know in Ethiopia + hundreds of other bone fragments not matched to specific people.

There are 6,000 individuals listed by the Museum of Natural History.
https://medium.com

That's 6,000 out how many that ever lived ?, "Quora question answered by 3 knowledgeable contributors " What is the total number of Neanderthals that had ever lived".
For the 360,000 years Neanderthals lived on the planet Earth there were all together 1 million contemporary Neanderthals alive at the peak of their population, maybe there was an average constant population of 500,000 Neanderthals over 360,000 years, that is a lot of people to only sample from 6,000 individuals.

I agree with your summing up , it was a socialist act coming from a feeling of empathy.

Neanderthals buried their dead, here is a 50,000 year old grave in France.
v.nationalgeographic.com

The reason I went for the acceptable contrast between politics and culture being breached was because the title made me suspicious "State Socialism in the Reddest of States", so I read the two articles and thought there was this apparent social acceptance of the redneck image being improperly used.

Does the US want to promote wayward rednecks, and Socialism, or maybe rednecks are a fact of life being used to promote socialism or oppose socialism, which ever one it is, depends on the reader's personal opinions, my point is simply that the connection is "wrong" because it is "a guaranteed failure", and who will be the beneficiary of this political strategies inevitable collapse?.

Humm, !!! everything I am opposed too.

The Soviets were promoting their ideological cause the Russians are not, they are promoting their "political cause" which is different and can't be countered with McCarthyism.

State Socialism is a political semantic and the reddest of States is referring to as you say, a large group of people, in my opinion this large group is bundled together by a colloquial description of a wayward loose cannon type individual.

The symmetry seems to deliberately imply that red neck types of individuals are anti socialist which is true, but why is it true, could it be rednecks are feeling-less sociopaths on a bender working within a common PSYOP , yes that is somewhat true, but if there are so many red necks the sociopath part of the description, Oh !! My God it must apply to, !!!! I'll say no more.

Thank you for your reply.


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Aug 4, 2019 01:39:45   #
truthiness
 
RT friend wrote:
This is one argument against it being socialism, it comes from the idea that there is this industrial processes that was, and is still very technical, that the Neanderthals used to glue flintstones to the tips of their spears, it wasn't just sap and binding as most people think.

What they did was, Neanderthals got all this bark from a certain tree and heated it up to a certain temperature catching all the drips from the bark in some kind of container, the whole process had to be enclosed to make the bark sweat and bleed not singe and scar over.

If the Neanderthals only kept a few old people alive by feeding them and giving them precious shelter because they were expert technicians, what would be the chances of our finding this old Neanderthal who lived almost twice as long as the average ?.

Spain has uncovered 28 Neanderthal people.
China ?.
Croatia 30.
South Africa 18.
Lucy who we all know in Ethiopia + hundreds of other bone fragments not matched to specific people.

There are 6,000 individuals listed by the Museum of Natural History.
https://medium.com

That's 6,000 out how many that ever lived ?, "Quora question answered by 3 knowledgeable contributors " What is the total number of Neanderthals that had ever lived".
For the 360,000 years Neanderthals lived on the planet Earth there were all together 1 million contemporary Neanderthals alive at the peak of their population, maybe there was an average constant population of 500,000 Neanderthals over 360,000 years, that is a lot of people to only sample from 6,000 individuals.

I agree with your summing up , it was a socialist act coming from a feeling of empathy.

Neanderthals buried their dead, here is a 50,000 year old grave in France.
v.nationalgeographic.com

The reason I went for the acceptable contrast between politics and culture being breached was because the title made me suspicious "State Socialism in the Reddest of States", so I read the two articles and thought there was this apparent social acceptance of the redneck image being improperly used.

Does the US want to promote wayward rednecks, and Socialism, or maybe rednecks are a fact of life being used to promote socialism or oppose socialism, which ever one it is, depends on the reader's personal opinions, my point is simply that the connection is "wrong" because it is "a guaranteed failure", and who will be the beneficiary of this political strategies inevitable collapse?.

Humm, !!! everything I am opposed too.

The Soviets were promoting their ideological cause the Russians are not, they are promoting their "political cause" which is different and can't be countered with McCarthyism.

State Socialism is a political semantic and the reddest of States is referring to as you say, a large group of people, in my opinion this large group is bundled together by a colloquial description of a wayward loose cannon type individual.

The symmetry seems to deliberately imply that red neck types of individuals are anti socialist which is true, but why is it true, could it be rednecks are feeling-less sociopaths on a bender working within a common PSYOP , yes that is somewhat true, but if there are so many red necks the sociopath part of the description, Oh !! My God it must apply to, !!!! I'll say no more.

Thank you for your reply.

This is one argument against it being socialism, i... (show quote)

"The Soviets were promoting their ideological cause the Russians are not, they are promoting their "political cause" which is different and can't be countered with McCarthyism."
Very interesting.

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Aug 4, 2019 03:00:49   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
t***hiness wrote:
"The Soviets were promoting their ideological cause the Russians are not, they are promoting their "political cause" which is different and can't be countered with McCarthyism."
Very interesting.


Cool, I watched it very closely from Hand off Cuba to Gorbachev, the British always h**ed the Russians, like the Japanese h**e the Chinese.

The Russians and Chinese have 2 things in comm according to the British and Japanese,
1. They rarely take a bath.
2. They hardly ever change their clothes.

Bertrand Russell visited Russia in 1920
Can't find anything about his personal sentiments about Russians on the internet, but I've read his personal account published at the time, he was outraged by Russian slovenly attributes, and that's why the Left h**e the Russians.

Lord Bertrand Russell was all the things the Left became mortal aristocrats with a condescending view of everything.

Russia is coming of age and the Liberal Left are not the Radical Left one supports Russia and the other opposes Russia but both agree Russians smell.

Taking Russians for intelligent players is the best practical policy.




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