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Jul 24, 2019 06:21:34   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
woodguru wrote:
Enough said to show your cluelessness, I have a problem with the GOP having a problem figuring out it's possible to give working class people a tax break, but not the rich that already were not paying enough, it's not that hard to define income and escalate taxes as the wealth goes up.

Looking at the last 15 years we see a dramatic increase in CEO and upper management pay but less and less as you go down the employee scale. Companies that laid of thousands of employees rewarded upper management with hundreds of millions in bonuses and perks.
Enough said to show your cluelessness, I have a pr... (show quote)


You might learn more if you looked in the right direction. Who influences our congress more? The people or Wall and J street? Banksters and the Fed is the root of the problems. The people are for the nation, the others are for global or NWO control. It's why the political parties and people are split too. It's visible if you look. It explains the situation in the US, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Greece, Australia, etc...

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Jul 24, 2019 07:07:01   #
Rose42
 
permafrost wrote:
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does. Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines:

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Somehow that's interpreted as "I believe Obamacare is the end-all, be-all." This is not the case. I'm fully aware that the ACA has problems, that a national healthcare system would require everyone to chip in, and that it's impossible to create one that is devoid of flaws, but I have yet to hear an argument against it that makes "let people die because they can't afford healthcare" a better alternative. I believe healthcare should be far cheaper than it is, and that everyone should have access to it. And no, I'm not opposed to paying higher taxes in the name of making that happen.

3. I believe education should be affordable. It doesn't necessarily have to be free (though it works in other countries so I'm mystified as to why it can't work in the US), but at the end of the day, there is no excuse for students graduating college saddled with five- or six-figure debt.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people can possess the majority of the wealth while there are people literally starving to death, freezing to death, or dying because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a c*******t.

5. I don't throw around "I'm willing to pay higher taxes" lightly. If I'm suggesting something that involves paying more, well, it's because I'm fine with paying my share as long as it's actually going to something besides lining corporate pockets or bombing other countries while Americans die without healthcare.

6. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is always interpreted as me wanting burger flippers to be able to afford a penthouse apartment and a Mercedes. What it actually means is that no one should have to work three full-time jobs just to keep their head above water. Restaurant servers should not have to rely on tips, multibillion-dollar companies should not have employees on food stamps, workers shouldn't have to work themselves into the ground just to barely make ends meet, and minimum wage should be enough for someone to work 40 hours and live.

7. I am not anti-Christian. I have no desire to stop Christians from being Christians, to close churches, to ban the Bible, to forbid prayer in school, etc. (BTW, prayer in school is NOT illegal; *compulsory* prayer in school is - and should be - illegal). All I ask is that Christians recognize *my* right to live according to *my* beliefs. When I get pissed off that a politician is trying to legislate Scripture into law, I'm not "offended by Christianity" -- I'm offended that you're trying to force me to live by your religion's rules. You know how you get really upset at the thought of Muslims imposing Sharia law on you? That's how I feel about Christians trying to impose biblical law on me. Be a Christian. Do your thing. Just don't force it on me or mine.

8. I don't believe L**T people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

9. I don't believe i*****l i*******ts should come to America and have the world at their feet, especially since THIS ISN'T WHAT THEY DO (spoiler: undocumented immigrants are ineligible for all those programs they're supposed to be abusing, and if they're "stealing" your job it's because your employer is hiring illegally). I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc).

10. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cut corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. It's not that I want the government's hands in everything -- I just don't trust people trying to make money to ensure that their products/practices/etc. are actually SAFE. Is the government devoid of shadiness? Of course not. But with those regulations in place, consumers have recourse if they're harmed and companies are liable for medical bills, environmental cleanup, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is letting companies bring their bottom line into the equation.

11. I believe our current administration is f*****t. Not because I dislike them or because I can’t get over an e******n, but because I've spent too many years reading and learning about the Third Reich to miss the similarities. Not because any administration I dislike must be N**is, but because things are actually mirroring authoritarian and f*****t regimes of the past.

12. I believe the s******c r****m and misogyny in our society is much worse than many people think, and desperately needs to be addressed. Which means those with privilege -- white, straight, male, economic, etc. -- need to start listening, even if you don't like what you're hearing, so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

13. I am not interested in coming after your blessed guns, nor is anyone serving in government. What I am interested in is the enforcement of present laws and enacting new, common-sense gun regulations. Got another opinion? Put it on your page, not mine.

14. I believe in so-called political correctness. I prefer to think it’s social politeness. If I call you Chuck and you say you prefer to be called Charles I’ll call you Charles. It’s the polite thing to do. Not because everyone is a delicate snowflake, but because as Maya Angelou put it, when we know better, we do better. When someone tells you that a term or phrase is more accurate/less hurtful than the one you're using, you now know better. So why not do better? How does it hurt you to NOT hurt another person?

15. I believe in funding sustainable energy, including offering education to people currently working in coal or oil so they can change jobs. There are too many sustainable options available for us to continue with coal and oil. Sorry, billionaires. Maybe try investing in something else.

16. I believe that women should not be treated as a separate class of human. They should be paid the same as men who do the same work, should have the same rights as men and should be free from abuse. Why on earth shouldn’t they be?

I think that about covers it. Bottom line is that I'm a liberal because I think we should take care of each other. That doesn't mean you should work 80 hours a week so your lazy neighbor can get all your money. It just means I don't believe there is any scenario in which preventable suffering is an acceptable outcome as long as money is saved.

Copy & paste if you want. I did.

These are not my words, but they may as well be. The only thing I would add is that more attention needs to be put on our environment. Without a planet, we have nothing.
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of... (show quote)


I agree with a lot of that. Nice post.

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Jul 24, 2019 07:53:10   #
Big dog
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Comparing our wonderful president that loves our country and is doing more to preserve our freedoms and prevent us paying more for less and putting more money in our pockets, which I have gotten to n**is is ludicrous! Ovomit was the dictator wannabe! I’m also for dna tests for border jumpers!! Also for audits on how my tax dollars are spent and the right to reject! Especially in liberal areas run by democrats!


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Jul 24, 2019 08:29:14   #
TrueAmerican
 
permafrost wrote:
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does. Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines:

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Somehow that's interpreted as "I believe Obamacare is the end-all, be-all." This is not the case. I'm fully aware that the ACA has problems, that a national healthcare system would require everyone to chip in, and that it's impossible to create one that is devoid of flaws, but I have yet to hear an argument against it that makes "let people die because they can't afford healthcare" a better alternative. I believe healthcare should be far cheaper than it is, and that everyone should have access to it. And no, I'm not opposed to paying higher taxes in the name of making that happen.

3. I believe education should be affordable. It doesn't necessarily have to be free (though it works in other countries so I'm mystified as to why it can't work in the US), but at the end of the day, there is no excuse for students graduating college saddled with five- or six-figure debt.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people can possess the majority of the wealth while there are people literally starving to death, freezing to death, or dying because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a c*******t.

5. I don't throw around "I'm willing to pay higher taxes" lightly. If I'm suggesting something that involves paying more, well, it's because I'm fine with paying my share as long as it's actually going to something besides lining corporate pockets or bombing other countries while Americans die without healthcare.

6. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is always interpreted as me wanting burger flippers to be able to afford a penthouse apartment and a Mercedes. What it actually means is that no one should have to work three full-time jobs just to keep their head above water. Restaurant servers should not have to rely on tips, multibillion-dollar companies should not have employees on food stamps, workers shouldn't have to work themselves into the ground just to barely make ends meet, and minimum wage should be enough for someone to work 40 hours and live.

7. I am not anti-Christian. I have no desire to stop Christians from being Christians, to close churches, to ban the Bible, to forbid prayer in school, etc. (BTW, prayer in school is NOT illegal; *compulsory* prayer in school is - and should be - illegal). All I ask is that Christians recognize *my* right to live according to *my* beliefs. When I get pissed off that a politician is trying to legislate Scripture into law, I'm not "offended by Christianity" -- I'm offended that you're trying to force me to live by your religion's rules. You know how you get really upset at the thought of Muslims imposing Sharia law on you? That's how I feel about Christians trying to impose biblical law on me. Be a Christian. Do your thing. Just don't force it on me or mine.

8. I don't believe L**T people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

9. I don't believe i*****l i*******ts should come to America and have the world at their feet, especially since THIS ISN'T WHAT THEY DO (spoiler: undocumented immigrants are ineligible for all those programs they're supposed to be abusing, and if they're "stealing" your job it's because your employer is hiring illegally). I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc).

10. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cut corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. It's not that I want the government's hands in everything -- I just don't trust people trying to make money to ensure that their products/practices/etc. are actually SAFE. Is the government devoid of shadiness? Of course not. But with those regulations in place, consumers have recourse if they're harmed and companies are liable for medical bills, environmental cleanup, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is letting companies bring their bottom line into the equation.

11. I believe our current administration is f*****t. Not because I dislike them or because I can’t get over an e******n, but because I've spent too many years reading and learning about the Third Reich to miss the similarities. Not because any administration I dislike must be N**is, but because things are actually mirroring authoritarian and f*****t regimes of the past.

12. I believe the s******c r****m and misogyny in our society is much worse than many people think, and desperately needs to be addressed. Which means those with privilege -- white, straight, male, economic, etc. -- need to start listening, even if you don't like what you're hearing, so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

13. I am not interested in coming after your blessed guns, nor is anyone serving in government. What I am interested in is the enforcement of present laws and enacting new, common-sense gun regulations. Got another opinion? Put it on your page, not mine.

14. I believe in so-called political correctness. I prefer to think it’s social politeness. If I call you Chuck and you say you prefer to be called Charles I’ll call you Charles. It’s the polite thing to do. Not because everyone is a delicate snowflake, but because as Maya Angelou put it, when we know better, we do better. When someone tells you that a term or phrase is more accurate/less hurtful than the one you're using, you now know better. So why not do better? How does it hurt you to NOT hurt another person?

15. I believe in funding sustainable energy, including offering education to people currently working in coal or oil so they can change jobs. There are too many sustainable options available for us to continue with coal and oil. Sorry, billionaires. Maybe try investing in something else.

16. I believe that women should not be treated as a separate class of human. They should be paid the same as men who do the same work, should have the same rights as men and should be free from abuse. Why on earth shouldn’t they be?

I think that about covers it. Bottom line is that I'm a liberal because I think we should take care of each other. That doesn't mean you should work 80 hours a week so your lazy neighbor can get all your money. It just means I don't believe there is any scenario in which preventable suffering is an acceptable outcome as long as money is saved.

Copy & paste if you want. I did.

These are not my words, but they may as well be. The only thing I would add is that more attention needs to be put on our environment. Without a planet, we have nothing.
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of... (show quote)



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Jul 24, 2019 08:43:42   #
debeda
 
permafrost wrote:
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does. Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines:

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Somehow that's interpreted as "I believe Obamacare is the end-all, be-all." This is not the case. I'm fully aware that the ACA has problems, that a national healthcare system would require everyone to chip in, and that it's impossible to create one that is devoid of flaws, but I have yet to hear an argument against it that makes "let people die because they can't afford healthcare" a better alternative. I believe healthcare should be far cheaper than it is, and that everyone should have access to it. And no, I'm not opposed to paying higher taxes in the name of making that happen.

3. I believe education should be affordable. It doesn't necessarily have to be free (though it works in other countries so I'm mystified as to why it can't work in the US), but at the end of the day, there is no excuse for students graduating college saddled with five- or six-figure debt.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people can possess the majority of the wealth while there are people literally starving to death, freezing to death, or dying because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a c*******t.

5. I don't throw around "I'm willing to pay higher taxes" lightly. If I'm suggesting something that involves paying more, well, it's because I'm fine with paying my share as long as it's actually going to something besides lining corporate pockets or bombing other countries while Americans die without healthcare.

6. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is always interpreted as me wanting burger flippers to be able to afford a penthouse apartment and a Mercedes. What it actually means is that no one should have to work three full-time jobs just to keep their head above water. Restaurant servers should not have to rely on tips, multibillion-dollar companies should not have employees on food stamps, workers shouldn't have to work themselves into the ground just to barely make ends meet, and minimum wage should be enough for someone to work 40 hours and live.

7. I am not anti-Christian. I have no desire to stop Christians from being Christians, to close churches, to ban the Bible, to forbid prayer in school, etc. (BTW, prayer in school is NOT illegal; *compulsory* prayer in school is - and should be - illegal). All I ask is that Christians recognize *my* right to live according to *my* beliefs. When I get pissed off that a politician is trying to legislate Scripture into law, I'm not "offended by Christianity" -- I'm offended that you're trying to force me to live by your religion's rules. You know how you get really upset at the thought of Muslims imposing Sharia law on you? That's how I feel about Christians trying to impose biblical law on me. Be a Christian. Do your thing. Just don't force it on me or mine.

8. I don't believe L**T people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

9. I don't believe i*****l i*******ts should come to America and have the world at their feet, especially since THIS ISN'T WHAT THEY DO (spoiler: undocumented immigrants are ineligible for all those programs they're supposed to be abusing, and if they're "stealing" your job it's because your employer is hiring illegally). I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc).

10. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cut corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. It's not that I want the government's hands in everything -- I just don't trust people trying to make money to ensure that their products/practices/etc. are actually SAFE. Is the government devoid of shadiness? Of course not. But with those regulations in place, consumers have recourse if they're harmed and companies are liable for medical bills, environmental cleanup, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is letting companies bring their bottom line into the equation.

11. I believe our current administration is f*****t. Not because I dislike them or because I can’t get over an e******n, but because I've spent too many years reading and learning about the Third Reich to miss the similarities. Not because any administration I dislike must be N**is, but because things are actually mirroring authoritarian and f*****t regimes of the past.

12. I believe the s******c r****m and misogyny in our society is much worse than many people think, and desperately needs to be addressed. Which means those with privilege -- white, straight, male, economic, etc. -- need to start listening, even if you don't like what you're hearing, so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

13. I am not interested in coming after your blessed guns, nor is anyone serving in government. What I am interested in is the enforcement of present laws and enacting new, common-sense gun regulations. Got another opinion? Put it on your page, not mine.

14. I believe in so-called political correctness. I prefer to think it’s social politeness. If I call you Chuck and you say you prefer to be called Charles I’ll call you Charles. It’s the polite thing to do. Not because everyone is a delicate snowflake, but because as Maya Angelou put it, when we know better, we do better. When someone tells you that a term or phrase is more accurate/less hurtful than the one you're using, you now know better. So why not do better? How does it hurt you to NOT hurt another person?

15. I believe in funding sustainable energy, including offering education to people currently working in coal or oil so they can change jobs. There are too many sustainable options available for us to continue with coal and oil. Sorry, billionaires. Maybe try investing in something else.

16. I believe that women should not be treated as a separate class of human. They should be paid the same as men who do the same work, should have the same rights as men and should be free from abuse. Why on earth shouldn’t they be?

I think that about covers it. Bottom line is that I'm a liberal because I think we should take care of each other. That doesn't mean you should work 80 hours a week so your lazy neighbor can get all your money. It just means I don't believe there is any scenario in which preventable suffering is an acceptable outcome as long as money is saved.

Copy & paste if you want. I did.

These are not my words, but they may as well be. The only thing I would add is that more attention needs to be put on our environment. Without a planet, we have nothing.
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of... (show quote)


Most of those things sound reasonable in theory. They dont seem to be working in practice because humans are quirky creatures. I remember saying 40 years ago that WASP (remember that term) men would be the minority before long. We're there.
Social programs put in place to help marginalized groups have become barriers and are enforced with jackbooted zeal - sometimes - nay OFTEN - at the expense of OTHER marginalized groups.
America has always been a generous country. Americans have always been a generous people. For example, I was reading an article last night about a group of Americans who have emigrated to Mexico. To towns near the biggest lake in Mexico, near Chupultapec I believe. Forget the names of the towns. They love it. AND they have started orphanages, and businesses where ALL the profits go to purchase food for the hungry and other programs to benefit their neighbors. Along with other things. All on their own.
The problems now are different. Our tax dollars, that we must pay, are going to pay for a******ns. Even now to in effect k**l live children as part of that. More than 50% of tax payers do not agree with this, but we must pay. Our tax dollars, that we must pay, are going to support "refugees" from the middle east, who dont want to be here and dont want to blend into and enhance the United States. More than 50% of tax payers do not agree with this, but we must pay.
There are many programs like this. Americans aren't greedy, or selfish, or xenophobic. They're FED UP with the government's lunacy and social experimentation. On our dime.
So I respectfully submit that the piece you copied and pasted is trope, propaganda and nonsense.

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Jul 24, 2019 08:46:56   #
debeda
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Comparing our wonderful president that loves our country and is doing more to preserve our freedoms and prevent us paying more for less and putting more money in our pockets, which I have gotten to n**is is ludicrous! Ovomit was the dictator wannabe! I’m also for dna tests for border jumpers!! Also for audits on how my tax dollars are spent and the right to reject! Especially in liberal areas run by democrats!



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Jul 24, 2019 09:01:22   #
debeda
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Both sides have a vested interest in keeping Americans pissed at other Americans. They want our money and v**es, and they get both by getting us to believe that the "other" side are un-American, Un-patriotic, c*******ts/f*****t, or in some other way wishing ill on their own country.



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Jul 24, 2019 11:38:52   #
Noraa Loc: Kansas
 
permafrost wrote:
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does. Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines:

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Somehow that's interpreted as "I believe Obamacare is the end-all, be-all." This is not the case. I'm fully aware that the ACA has problems, that a national healthcare system would require everyone to chip in, and that it's impossible to create one that is devoid of flaws, but I have yet to hear an argument against it that makes "let people die because they can't afford healthcare" a better alternative. I believe healthcare should be far cheaper than it is, and that everyone should have access to it. And no, I'm not opposed to paying higher taxes in the name of making that happen.

3. I believe education should be affordable. It doesn't necessarily have to be free (though it works in other countries so I'm mystified as to why it can't work in the US), but at the end of the day, there is no excuse for students graduating college saddled with five- or six-figure debt.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people can possess the majority of the wealth while there are people literally starving to death, freezing to death, or dying because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a c*******t.

5. I don't throw around "I'm willing to pay higher taxes" lightly. If I'm suggesting something that involves paying more, well, it's because I'm fine with paying my share as long as it's actually going to something besides lining corporate pockets or bombing other countries while Americans die without healthcare.

6. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is always interpreted as me wanting burger flippers to be able to afford a penthouse apartment and a Mercedes. What it actually means is that no one should have to work three full-time jobs just to keep their head above water. Restaurant servers should not have to rely on tips, multibillion-dollar companies should not have employees on food stamps, workers shouldn't have to work themselves into the ground just to barely make ends meet, and minimum wage should be enough for someone to work 40 hours and live.

7. I am not anti-Christian. I have no desire to stop Christians from being Christians, to close churches, to ban the Bible, to forbid prayer in school, etc. (BTW, prayer in school is NOT illegal; *compulsory* prayer in school is - and should be - illegal). All I ask is that Christians recognize *my* right to live according to *my* beliefs. When I get pissed off that a politician is trying to legislate Scripture into law, I'm not "offended by Christianity" -- I'm offended that you're trying to force me to live by your religion's rules. You know how you get really upset at the thought of Muslims imposing Sharia law on you? That's how I feel about Christians trying to impose biblical law on me. Be a Christian. Do your thing. Just don't force it on me or mine.

8. I don't believe L**T people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

9. I don't believe i*****l i*******ts should come to America and have the world at their feet, especially since THIS ISN'T WHAT THEY DO (spoiler: undocumented immigrants are ineligible for all those programs they're supposed to be abusing, and if they're "stealing" your job it's because your employer is hiring illegally). I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc).

10. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cut corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. It's not that I want the government's hands in everything -- I just don't trust people trying to make money to ensure that their products/practices/etc. are actually SAFE. Is the government devoid of shadiness? Of course not. But with those regulations in place, consumers have recourse if they're harmed and companies are liable for medical bills, environmental cleanup, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is letting companies bring their bottom line into the equation.

11. I believe our current administration is f*****t. Not because I dislike them or because I can’t get over an e******n, but because I've spent too many years reading and learning about the Third Reich to miss the similarities. Not because any administration I dislike must be N**is, but because things are actually mirroring authoritarian and f*****t regimes of the past.

12. I believe the s******c r****m and misogyny in our society is much worse than many people think, and desperately needs to be addressed. Which means those with privilege -- white, straight, male, economic, etc. -- need to start listening, even if you don't like what you're hearing, so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

13. I am not interested in coming after your blessed guns, nor is anyone serving in government. What I am interested in is the enforcement of present laws and enacting new, common-sense gun regulations. Got another opinion? Put it on your page, not mine.

14. I believe in so-called political correctness. I prefer to think it’s social politeness. If I call you Chuck and you say you prefer to be called Charles I’ll call you Charles. It’s the polite thing to do. Not because everyone is a delicate snowflake, but because as Maya Angelou put it, when we know better, we do better. When someone tells you that a term or phrase is more accurate/less hurtful than the one you're using, you now know better. So why not do better? How does it hurt you to NOT hurt another person?

15. I believe in funding sustainable energy, including offering education to people currently working in coal or oil so they can change jobs. There are too many sustainable options available for us to continue with coal and oil. Sorry, billionaires. Maybe try investing in something else.

16. I believe that women should not be treated as a separate class of human. They should be paid the same as men who do the same work, should have the same rights as men and should be free from abuse. Why on earth shouldn’t they be?

I think that about covers it. Bottom line is that I'm a liberal because I think we should take care of each other. That doesn't mean you should work 80 hours a week so your lazy neighbor can get all your money. It just means I don't believe there is any scenario in which preventable suffering is an acceptable outcome as long as money is saved.

Copy & paste if you want. I did.

These are not my words, but they may as well be. The only thing I would add is that more attention needs to be put on our environment. Without a planet, we have nothing.
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of... (show quote)


This sounds like the old Democratic party, not the one in charge today.

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Jul 24, 2019 14:30:40   #
teabag09
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
#4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people can possess the majority of the wealth while there are people literally starving to death, freezing to death, or dying because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a c*******t.

This is pretty much an all encompassing socialist issue, isn't it?? And those people who are starving and freezing, ie-homeless for want of a better term, are the majority mentally ill or the hard core super lazy, super uneducated, super moochers. Again. How to fix it? You're basically talking about taking money from the rich even more. The totality of it all is that the rich pay 90% of the taxes so why do you have a moral issue with them??
#4. I don't believe your money should be taken f... (show quote)


My wife worked for Social Services for 32 years. The agency would go out and try to coerce the homeless to come in and be placed in livable conditions but they would in a short period of time, couple of days, be back on the street. Most were drunks and drug addicts and most were to some degree mentally ill. Mike

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Jul 24, 2019 15:06:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
teabag09 wrote:
My wife worked for Social Services for 32 years. The agency would go out and try to coerce the homeless to come in and be placed in livable conditions but they would in a short period of time, couple of days, be back on the street. Most were drunks and drug addicts and most were to some degree mentally ill. Mike


Exactly. And I have seen it first hand. Addiction is terrible, especially heroin. The addicts want help; they want to be drug free and clean to the point they will check themselves into rehab centers and then while in rehab, use. It's astounding and such a vicious disease. And, of course, when caught, are immediately kicked out and if they have no place to go, will end up living the life of the homeless. And it's hopeless as well.

Even if put in prison where one would think they could not get the drugs, they will get them thanks to corrupt guards, inmates, etc.

Some are lucky enough to stay clean for a year or two, going to NA meetings almost nightly and finding other vices to help distract from the desire for the drugs, but most, if not all, fall off the wagon and end up trying to use again but maintain a semblance of normalcy, but eventually use more and more and resume the vicious and regrettable cycle again and again.

I can see no solution for it.

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Jul 24, 2019 16:49:38   #
badbob85037
 
permafrost wrote:
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does. Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines:

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Somehow that's interpreted as "I believe Obamacare is the end-all, be-all." This is not the case. I'm fully aware that the ACA has problems, that a national healthcare system would require everyone to chip in, and that it's impossible to create one that is devoid of flaws, but I have yet to hear an argument against it that makes "let people die because they can't afford healthcare" a better alternative. I believe healthcare should be far cheaper than it is, and that everyone should have access to it. And no, I'm not opposed to paying higher taxes in the name of making that happen.

3. I believe education should be affordable. It doesn't necessarily have to be free (though it works in other countries so I'm mystified as to why it can't work in the US), but at the end of the day, there is no excuse for students graduating college saddled with five- or six-figure debt.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people can possess the majority of the wealth while there are people literally starving to death, freezing to death, or dying because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a c*******t.

5. I don't throw around "I'm willing to pay higher taxes" lightly. If I'm suggesting something that involves paying more, well, it's because I'm fine with paying my share as long as it's actually going to something besides lining corporate pockets or bombing other countries while Americans die without healthcare.

6. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is always interpreted as me wanting burger flippers to be able to afford a penthouse apartment and a Mercedes. What it actually means is that no one should have to work three full-time jobs just to keep their head above water. Restaurant servers should not have to rely on tips, multibillion-dollar companies should not have employees on food stamps, workers shouldn't have to work themselves into the ground just to barely make ends meet, and minimum wage should be enough for someone to work 40 hours and live.

7. I am not anti-Christian. I have no desire to stop Christians from being Christians, to close churches, to ban the Bible, to forbid prayer in school, etc. (BTW, prayer in school is NOT illegal; *compulsory* prayer in school is - and should be - illegal). All I ask is that Christians recognize *my* right to live according to *my* beliefs. When I get pissed off that a politician is trying to legislate Scripture into law, I'm not "offended by Christianity" -- I'm offended that you're trying to force me to live by your religion's rules. You know how you get really upset at the thought of Muslims imposing Sharia law on you? That's how I feel about Christians trying to impose biblical law on me. Be a Christian. Do your thing. Just don't force it on me or mine.

8. I don't believe L**T people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

9. I don't believe i*****l i*******ts should come to America and have the world at their feet, especially since THIS ISN'T WHAT THEY DO (spoiler: undocumented immigrants are ineligible for all those programs they're supposed to be abusing, and if they're "stealing" your job it's because your employer is hiring illegally). I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc).

10. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cut corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. It's not that I want the government's hands in everything -- I just don't trust people trying to make money to ensure that their products/practices/etc. are actually SAFE. Is the government devoid of shadiness? Of course not. But with those regulations in place, consumers have recourse if they're harmed and companies are liable for medical bills, environmental cleanup, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is letting companies bring their bottom line into the equation.

11. I believe our current administration is f*****t. Not because I dislike them or because I can’t get over an e******n, but because I've spent too many years reading and learning about the Third Reich to miss the similarities. Not because any administration I dislike must be N**is, but because things are actually mirroring authoritarian and f*****t regimes of the past.

12. I believe the s******c r****m and misogyny in our society is much worse than many people think, and desperately needs to be addressed. Which means those with privilege -- white, straight, male, economic, etc. -- need to start listening, even if you don't like what you're hearing, so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

13. I am not interested in coming after your blessed guns, nor is anyone serving in government. What I am interested in is the enforcement of present laws and enacting new, common-sense gun regulations. Got another opinion? Put it on your page, not mine.

14. I believe in so-called political correctness. I prefer to think it’s social politeness. If I call you Chuck and you say you prefer to be called Charles I’ll call you Charles. It’s the polite thing to do. Not because everyone is a delicate snowflake, but because as Maya Angelou put it, when we know better, we do better. When someone tells you that a term or phrase is more accurate/less hurtful than the one you're using, you now know better. So why not do better? How does it hurt you to NOT hurt another person?

15. I believe in funding sustainable energy, including offering education to people currently working in coal or oil so they can change jobs. There are too many sustainable options available for us to continue with coal and oil. Sorry, billionaires. Maybe try investing in something else.

16. I believe that women should not be treated as a separate class of human. They should be paid the same as men who do the same work, should have the same rights as men and should be free from abuse. Why on earth shouldn’t they be?

I think that about covers it. Bottom line is that I'm a liberal because I think we should take care of each other. That doesn't mean you should work 80 hours a week so your lazy neighbor can get all your money. It just means I don't believe there is any scenario in which preventable suffering is an acceptable outcome as long as money is saved.

Copy & paste if you want. I did.

These are not my words, but they may as well be. The only thing I would add is that more attention needs to be put on our environment. Without a planet, we have nothing.
I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of... (show quote)


You are a liberal because
1. You found it impossible to make it in life without government being your adopted mother.
2. With out government you wouldn't know when to wipe and how many ply to use when doing the wiping. 3. When it breaks through and gets on your finger you don't wash your hands because government would never steer you wrong.
4. You support Socialism because your party said it is good and you don't have the sk**l to find out for your self.
5. When obama and hillary are half way into their 10 year sentence for conspiracy you will still believe Trump colluded with Russia and innocent criminals are behind bar.
6. You h**e God because you never opened the Bible
7. Aborting babies is the right thing to do.
8. You love to h**e.
9. You ask not what you can do for your country but what you can do the country for.
10. Your way or the high way
11. You didn't ask to be born so everybody owes you
12 You lack morals and anyone having them is a fool
13 You have no common sense because no one with common sense would elect Pelosi, Schumer, Waters, obama, clintons and on and on for a second term being they have done nothing but obstruct and the only thing they have done is bought your v**e with free-bees

Examples Pelosi "We will have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" and "Trump will cost us 500 million jobs."
obama "We need a national police force just as trained, just as armed as our military" to the cheers of liberals. "you can keep your doctor" and my favorite "I have to save the people of Libya"
hillary lying to hear herself talk "landed under sniper fire." Named after Sir Adman Hillary. "and she gave away our secrets to cover her pay to play
14. You bought every word of it while they mass k**led, broke the law, and ignored the constitution. Just how do you think the word Libtard came to be.
15 you don't see the nose in front of your face.
16. You would give away your freedoms because some yahoo tells you he will save you.

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Jul 24, 2019 17:28:51   #
debeda
 
badbob85037 wrote:
You are a liberal because
1. You found it impossible to make it in life without government being your adopted mother.
2. With out government you wouldn't know when to wipe and how many ply to use when doing the wiping. 3. When it breaks through and gets on your finger you don't wash your hands because government would never steer you wrong.
4. You support Socialism because your party said it is good and you don't have the sk**l to find out for your self.
5. When obama and hillary are half way into their 10 year sentence for conspiracy you will still believe Trump colluded with Russia and innocent criminals are behind bar.
6. You h**e God because you never opened the Bible
7. Aborting babies is the right thing to do.
8. You love to h**e.
9. You ask not what you can do for your country but what you can do the country for.
10. Your way or the high way
11. You didn't ask to be born so everybody owes you
12 You lack morals and anyone having them is a fool
13 You have no common sense because no one with common sense would elect Pelosi, Schumer, Waters, obama, clintons and on and on for a second term being they have done nothing but obstruct and the only thing they have done is bought your v**e with free-bees

Examples Pelosi "We will have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" and "Trump will cost us 500 million jobs."
obama "We need a national police force just as trained, just as armed as our military" to the cheers of liberals. "you can keep your doctor" and my favorite "I have to save the people of Libya"
hillary lying to hear herself talk "landed under sniper fire." Named after Sir Adman Hillary. "and she gave away our secrets to cover her pay to play
14. You bought every word of it while they mass k**led, broke the law, and ignored the constitution. Just how do you think the word Libtard came to be.
15 you don't see the nose in front of your face.
16. You would give away your freedoms because some yahoo tells you he will save you.
You are a liberal because br 1. You found it impos... (show quote)



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Jul 25, 2019 00:42:28   #
badbob85037
 
woodguru wrote:
They are trying to interfere with gays and a******ns, get a clue.


See just what I said.Baby k**ler and up until liberals said different being a homosexual was a mental disorder. Get a clue!? You wouldn't know a clue if it walked up introduced it's self then slapped the dog crap out of you.

Next week I'm having another Gomper's Clues for the Clueless sale. Clues I sell for $7.00 a piece I'll be selling at 3 for $25.00 and for more savings, 4 for $50.00 so tell all your liberal friends.

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