Interesting FACT: Representative Omar has been a citizen longer than melania (Page 19): This outlines one example of how these things grow and evolve complexity over time.

Singularity

Singularity wrote:

The most exigent and reasonable conclusion is that they are creations of humans and human social interactions. They are things humans devise to do to amuse their conscious minds.

They did not magically appear. I think we figured out how to do them as our physical capacities, personal psychologies and social interactivity evolved and changed, hand in hand.

No gods needed.

Supernatural = irrational

This outlines one example of how these things grow and evolve complexity over time.

https://youtu.be/FD5ZKi-moMU

CounterRevolutionary

Singularity wrote:

Then one who disagrees with your party line need not be "sent back" or otherwise politically annihilated.

We just need to all calm down and use our grown up words.

Let's offer Castro a quid-pro-quo deal.

Let Cuba send us all their capitalist dissidents in an equal exchange for our Democrat Party socialist dissidents. Utopia for everybody.

JediKnight

Singularity wrote:

The most exigent and reasonable conclusion is that they are creations of humans and human social interactions. They are things humans devise to do to amuse their conscious minds.

They did not magically appear. I think we figured out how to do them as our physical capacities, personal psychologies and social interactivity evolved and changed, hand in hand.

No gods needed.

Supernatural = irrational

"They did not magically appear. I think we figured out how to do them as our physical capacities, personal psychologies and social interactivity evolved and changed, hand in hand."

Before we could figure out how to do anything and had physical capabilities God was busy creating the universe that we now live in. It appears that since your "logical science" can't explain or disprove God your points are moot. Claiming that which you don't or can't understand as "supernatural and irrational" is actually a cop out for your inability to accept there are things in the universe that man, as of yet, simply cannot explain. Is not searching for a "rational response to a supernatural phenomenon" illogical? Man often fears that which he cannot understand, and therefore labels it "irrational" in an attempt to deny its existence. Man feared "fire" before learning its many uses and even lableled those who used fire as "witches" or demons. It would appear that your reasoning fits into such a category.

Radiance3

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

The "Native Americans" of whom you speak... (show quote)

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The first settlers were NOT black people from Africa, but from the Asian ancestry resembling smaller people than the normal size we see today. Their color was very dark brown.
5th Century were the Irish Monks.
10Century were the Vikings.
15th Century came Columbus

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15040888

The first settlement of the Americas began when Paleolithic h****r-gatherers first entered North America from the North Asian Mammoth steppe via the Beringia land bridge, which had formed between northeastern Siberia and western Alaska due to the lowering of sea level during the Last Glacial Maximum. These populations expanded south of the Laurentide Ice Sheet and rapidly throughout both North and South America, by 14,000 years ago.

We know now that Columbus was among the last explorers to reach the Americas, not the first. Five hundred years before Columbus, a daring band of Vikings led by Leif Eriksson set foot in North America and established a settlement.

JediKnight

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Let's offer Castro a quid-pro-quo deal.

Let Cuba send us all their capitalist dissidents in an equal exchange for our Democrat Party socialist dissidents. Utopia for everybody.

You made an error in your post....let's see: "Let Cuba send us all their capitalist dissidents in an equal exchange for our GOP (Greedy Old Perverts) Party of authoritarian dissidents. Utopia for everybody."

There...fixed it for ya! No charge.

Radiance3

Edited.

Radiance3

JediKnight wrote:

You made an error in your post....let's see: "Let Cuba send us all their capitalist dissidents in an equal exchange for our GOP (Greedy Old Perverts) Party of authoritarian dissidents. Utopia for everybody."

There...fixed it for ya! No charge.

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You are an outright DISHONEST, by changing the words to fit your narrative. Counterrevolutionary was correct.
You are not a Christian. You belong to corrupt/liar Lucifer.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Let's offer Castro a quid-pro-quo deal.

Let Cuba send us all their capitalist dissidents in an equal exchange for our Democrat Party socialist dissidents. Utopia for everybody.

JediKnight

Radiance3 wrote:

Edited.

Yep, but as you saw, he made an error, so I fixed it for him! I agree, let's send Cuba all of our dissident, corrupt, r****t, and discriminatory perverted republicans, and we'll take their Dreamers.....now, that's what I call "The Art of the Deal!"

Singularity

JediKnight wrote:

"They did not magically appear. I think we fi... (show quote)

And yours is a slightly upgraded "God of the Gaps" X "Argument from Ignorance" fallacy. (Wince! I did not name them myself, some philosophy guys did.) Your assertion without proof is moot. I'm off Scot free! Sorry that is just how that works.I don't have any need at all to disprove something that has no evident discernable existence or effect upon matter, space and time! That kind of entity is at the very least indistinguishable from a non existent one.

No. Assuming there is anything that is or could be supernatural is irrational, until some evidence of supernatural existence or activity is presented. I simply recognize and ADMIT I do not know all things. And remain skeptical a la Russell's Orbital Teapot analogy. If I were to superstitiously/religiously cling to an unproven, unevidenced and improbable notion, with emotional fervor, then if or when the correct answer comes up, would I be interested or I would be smug and defensive?

Singularity

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Let's offer Castro a quid-pro-quo deal.

Let Cuba send us all their capitalist dissidents in an equal exchange for our Democrat Party socialist dissidents. Utopia for everybody.

sigh

The predictable response to "Go back where you came from!"

Is, "No." "You can't make me!"

Then what happens? It has basically been asserted that cooperation has been withdrawn and a duel declared!
Until someone says, "You and what ARMY!?!"

Trust me, I have seen the movies.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Singularity wrote:

This outlines one example of how these things grow and evolve complexity over time.

https://youtu.be/FD5ZKi-moMU

Have you heard of the scientists' analogy of the mouse trap? "Irreducible complexity" is the theme of it.

Singularity

Blade_Runner wrote:

Have you heard of the scientists' analogy of the mouse trap? "Irreducible complexity" is the theme of it.

Lay it out there, I doubt everyone has, and it would be rude to talk insider code in a public forum....

Cuda2020

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

The "Native Americans" of whom you speak... (show quote)

This has absolutely nothing with what we're talking about. Rose took a smug left turn in her ridiculous argument of the Native Americans and now your doubling down on it, beautiful, the blind leading the blind.

Allow me to get you back on track, before Rose, we were talking about American Citizens, telling other Americans citizens to go back where they came from. We are not taling about 10,000 to 50,000 years ago. We are talking about who was here for thousands of years before the English settled, and after we became the United States of America.

If you don't find it very hypocritical, we have nothing more to discuss. Therefore, I will repeat myself, more clearly an American citizen has no right to tell another American citizen to go back where you came from without being completely hypocritical.

Singularity

Blade_Runner wrote:

Have you heard of the scientists' analogy of the mouse trap? "Irreducible complexity" is the theme of it.

This will do it. You can add to it or object or rebut as you please.

Sorry for manufactured answer rather than a home baked response. I gotta get the grass mowed before it rains, AGAIN. I really like this little guy, Stephen. Makes me think of PeterS.

https://youtu.be/FS0hlXxHx78

Cuda2020

Singularity wrote:

Perhaps it might be useful if we could all place love for each other, above the ideologies. And let that light guide our conversations.

H**efulness towards those who disagree with us, seems not to be working out very well.

The world would be a different place