Who’s fault is it really?
Jul 14, 2019 12:18:12 #
Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.
Jul 14, 2019 12:26:28 #
V***l Photo of Caged Children Actually from Obama Era, Nothing To Do with Trump.
Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went v***l showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same
Michelle Mark
Jun. 19, 2018, 11:44 AM
2014 migrant children detainedIn this June 18, 2014 photo, two female detainees sleep in a holding cell, as the children are separated by age group and g****r, at a US Customs and Border Protection center in Nogales, Arizona. Associated Press/Ross D. Franklin
Several 2014 photos of detained immigrant children in cages went v***l in May, and former Obama administration officials rushed to offer explanations.
The former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau had even shared the images on Twitter, mistakenly believing they were taken during Donald Trump's presidency.
The former officials doubled down on their criticisms of Trump's immigration policies, and said the 2014 photos showed unaccompanied children the government had been attempting to place with family members.
On June 17, reporters toured a similar government holding facility in McAllen, Texas, where migrant families are separated from one another and held in cages.
Several former Obama administration officials took to social media and news outlets last month to explain a gallery of years-old photos that showed immigrant children sleeping in shoddy conditions at a government-run holding facility in Arizona.
The images, which the Associated Press first published in 2014, resurfaced recently for reasons that remain unclear, and quickly prompted v***l outrage on Twitter. One particularly disturbing image showed two children sleeping on mattresses on the floor inside what appeared to be a cage.
A number of prominent liberals — and even a former Obama administration official — shared the photos, mistakenly believing they depicted the Trump administration's treatment of immigrant children who were forcibly separated from their parents.
Jon Favreau, who worked as a speechwriter for former President Barack Obama, tweeted, "This is happening right now, and the only debate that matters is how we force our government to get these kids back to their families as fast as humanly possible."
2014 detained migrant childrenDetainees sleep and watch television in a holding cell where hundreds of mostly Central American immigrant children were being processed and held at the CBP Nogales Placement Center on June 18, 2014. Associated Press/Ross D. Franklin
Favreau said he later deleted the tweet after social media users pointed out that the photos were taken during the Obama administration. But by that point, critics had already rushed to accuse him of concealing Obama's own harsh immigration tactics while condemning Trump's.
Favreau said in a series of tweets that he made a "mistake" by not checking the date of the photos before sharing them on Twitter. He explained that the photos were taken in 2014, when the Obama administration faced "an influx of unaccompanied minors who showed up at the border, fleeing violence from Central America."
He added that the pictures had been taken while the government was trying to "move those children out of those shelters as fast as humanly possible and connect them with their parents, most of whom were already in the United States."
2014 detained migrant childrenYoung boys sleep in a holding cell at the Nogales Placement Center on June 18, 2014. Associated Press/Ross D. Franklin
Another former Obama official, Cecilia Muñoz, who served as the director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, offered a similar explanation to NPR.
"In 2014, we saw an enormous spike compared to what usually happens every year, in the number of kids crossing alone into the United States," she said. "And we didn't have enough shelter facilities, because we had a huge increase, so kids ended up piling up in Border Patrol lock-ups, which are no places for children."
quote=Kevyn]Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.[/quote]
Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went v***l showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same
Michelle Mark
Jun. 19, 2018, 11:44 AM
2014 migrant children detainedIn this June 18, 2014 photo, two female detainees sleep in a holding cell, as the children are separated by age group and g****r, at a US Customs and Border Protection center in Nogales, Arizona. Associated Press/Ross D. Franklin
Several 2014 photos of detained immigrant children in cages went v***l in May, and former Obama administration officials rushed to offer explanations.
The former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau had even shared the images on Twitter, mistakenly believing they were taken during Donald Trump's presidency.
The former officials doubled down on their criticisms of Trump's immigration policies, and said the 2014 photos showed unaccompanied children the government had been attempting to place with family members.
On June 17, reporters toured a similar government holding facility in McAllen, Texas, where migrant families are separated from one another and held in cages.
Several former Obama administration officials took to social media and news outlets last month to explain a gallery of years-old photos that showed immigrant children sleeping in shoddy conditions at a government-run holding facility in Arizona.
The images, which the Associated Press first published in 2014, resurfaced recently for reasons that remain unclear, and quickly prompted v***l outrage on Twitter. One particularly disturbing image showed two children sleeping on mattresses on the floor inside what appeared to be a cage.
A number of prominent liberals — and even a former Obama administration official — shared the photos, mistakenly believing they depicted the Trump administration's treatment of immigrant children who were forcibly separated from their parents.
Jon Favreau, who worked as a speechwriter for former President Barack Obama, tweeted, "This is happening right now, and the only debate that matters is how we force our government to get these kids back to their families as fast as humanly possible."
2014 detained migrant childrenDetainees sleep and watch television in a holding cell where hundreds of mostly Central American immigrant children were being processed and held at the CBP Nogales Placement Center on June 18, 2014. Associated Press/Ross D. Franklin
Favreau said he later deleted the tweet after social media users pointed out that the photos were taken during the Obama administration. But by that point, critics had already rushed to accuse him of concealing Obama's own harsh immigration tactics while condemning Trump's.
Favreau said in a series of tweets that he made a "mistake" by not checking the date of the photos before sharing them on Twitter. He explained that the photos were taken in 2014, when the Obama administration faced "an influx of unaccompanied minors who showed up at the border, fleeing violence from Central America."
He added that the pictures had been taken while the government was trying to "move those children out of those shelters as fast as humanly possible and connect them with their parents, most of whom were already in the United States."
2014 detained migrant childrenYoung boys sleep in a holding cell at the Nogales Placement Center on June 18, 2014. Associated Press/Ross D. Franklin
Another former Obama official, Cecilia Muñoz, who served as the director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, offered a similar explanation to NPR.
"In 2014, we saw an enormous spike compared to what usually happens every year, in the number of kids crossing alone into the United States," she said. "And we didn't have enough shelter facilities, because we had a huge increase, so kids ended up piling up in Border Patrol lock-ups, which are no places for children."
quote=Kevyn]Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.[/quote]
Jul 14, 2019 12:36:15 #
proud republican
Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
Kevyn wrote:
Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.
Where do you get this BS from???.....We blame members of clergy,not the parents...Quit spreading stupid lies!!!
Jul 14, 2019 12:39:39 #
Kevyn wrote:
Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.
That's a plain non sequitur. One doesn't follow from the other.
But it's not surprising since you first arrive at your conclusion (wh**ever it takes to get in another dig in against Trump) and THEN resort to faulty logic to try to shore up your conclusion.
If your full time, unpaid job is trying to keep dinging Trump, you've got a long future ahead of you. 6 more years.
Jul 14, 2019 12:40:51 #
Yes it is and the h**e will continue.
no propaganda please wrote:
You are a moron and a fool if you believe that BS put out by the progressive Trump h**ers.
Jul 14, 2019 13:13:54 #
Kevyn wrote:
Trumps cult members believe that ....
You are too ignorant to even understand the complete stupidity of telling someone what they believe. In fact, if you had even the most minuscule clue, you would know that conservative Trump supporters would more likely support forced castration and lengthy jail terms of p*******e clergymen than giving any support, verbal or otherwise.
I'm beginning to really wonder about you. Even someone with a low double-digit IQ couldn't be as stupid as you act in this forum. Or are you just lampooning the willful ignorance of most wacko l*****ts?
Jul 14, 2019 13:17:33 #
Yes it is and follows Saul's rules very well.
Trooper745 wrote:
You are too ignorant to even understand the comple... (show quote)
Jul 14, 2019 13:20:40 #
Kevyn wrote:
Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.
Whose fault is it really Kevvy...??? Why, its all YOUR fault. That is as valid an argument as yours is blaming Trump for both - the marked increase in i*****l i*******ts and AOC's statement (and yours) of the border detention facilities being 'concentration camps'... Neither of which Trump actually had anything to do with. (I know that escapes you and goes over your head. Troll.)
Jul 15, 2019 13:45:22 #
Kevyn wrote:
Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.
Kevyn You are so full of BS.
You obviously h**e the t***h because you label it "h**e speech" .
We want any child molester to be put in jail.
And I refuse to "affirm and support" and immoral lifestyle.
By the way, those are the Obomination's concentration camps.
Jul 15, 2019 23:49:59 #
Kevyn wrote:
Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.
Surely you just! I cannot imagine anyone, other than the Catholic church, defending a pastor molesting a child. And to compare a priest molesting a child to foreign illegal children being kept with their families in detention, provided three hots and a cot in conditions that are currently overcrowded only because they decided to invade our border in groups of thousands daily is both wrong and ignorant reasoning.
Jul 19, 2019 08:34:06 #
Kevyn wrote:
Trumps cult members believe that if a member of the clergy molests a child it is not the ministers fault, it is clearly the parents fault for taking the kid to church. You can only come to this conclusion because this is how they feel about refugee children caged in Trumps concentration camps.
How the hell did you come up with this s**t. NOBODY believes it's not the minister or priest's fault
Pretty lame, even for you, Kev.
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