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Jul 10, 2019 22:31:17   #
Ranger7374
 
PeterS wrote:
Yup...


Hey Pete, remember the treasonous acts during Benghazi?
What about Fast and Furious?

If it was right for Obama to do it on his watch it is just as right for Trump to do it on his watch.

If you disagree you are a hypocrite.

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Jul 10, 2019 22:50:57   #
Larai (a regular here)
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Hey Pete, remember the treasonous acts during Benghazi?
What about Fast and Furious?

If it was right for Obama to do it on his watch it is just as right for Trump to do it on his watch.

If you disagree you are a hypocrite.


Two absolute Cluster Fk's of our recent history!!.. Yep.. Obama did that along with Eric Holder.. etc etc.. I agree with you Ranger, if it was ok for Obama, it's ok for Trump.. but lets hope that doesn't happen under Trump's watch. I think he's smarter than Obama by Many Miles!!!~ I'd be interested in what PeterS has to say by way of a reply.. should be interesting!

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Jul 10, 2019 23:00:27   #
Blade_Runner (a regular here)
 
Airforceone wrote:
Look you out of touch Trump supporter Obama found out after the Trump election in Late December he did sanction Russia because he knew Trump and Flynn were involved. So check your GD fu$king time time line and look you Park it. Damm there is really something wrong with you people.


Susan Rice told the White House cyber team to 'knock it off' when they floated options to combat Russian meddling

In the summer of 2016, while the US intelligence community was just beginning to grasp the magnitude of Russia's attack on the 2016 election, Obama administration officials were torn over how to respond.

According to investigative reporters Michael Isikoff's and David Corn's new book, " Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump," the White House director of cybersecurity, Michael Daniel, was particularly concerned when he learned in June that Russian actors had infiltrated critical election infrastructure in several US states.

The attacks began occurring so often, an excerpt from the book on Yahoo News said, that a National Security Council staffer began regularly updating Daniel about them.

"Michael, five more states got popped," the staffer once said, according to the book. At one point, Daniel reportedly replied to the staffer, "It's starting to look like every single state has been targeted."

Obama administration officials did not believe the Russians had the technological savvy to manipulate the vote count. Rather, they were more concerned hackers could alter voter rolls, registration files, or other processes that could sow doubt about the legitimacy of the election as a whole.

Bloomberg reported last June that election systems in as many as 39 states could have been attacked, though voting tallies were not believed to have been altered or manipulated in any way.

"In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data," Bloomberg said. "The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database."

As evidence of Russian cyberactivity targeting the US election emerged, Daniel and Celeste Wallander, the top Russia analyst on the National Security Council, pushed for the US to strike back at Russia, and hard.

"I wanted to send a signal that we would not tolerate disruptions to our electoral process," Daniel said, according to the book. "The Russians are going to push as hard as they can until we start pushing back."

Daniel and Wallander then laid out a number of aggressive options, including targeting the Russian intelligence community and Russia-linked actors through a string of NSA-backed cyberattacks; leaking classified intelligence revealing the financial activities of Putin and his family members; and announcing a joint US-NATO "cyber exercise" to make clear to Russia that the US and the West was capable of crippling the entire country.

But when then-national security adviser Susan Rice learned of Daniel's plans, she called him into her office and told him to cease his operations.

"Don't get ahead of us," Rice reportedly said, and added that the cyber response team needed to stand down and "knock it off."

When Daniel later went back to his office, the book said, he told his aides, "That was one pissed-off national security adviser."

The staffers on Daniel's cyber response team were baffled when he informed them that they had been told to stand down. When they asked the cybersecurity director why they weren't taking action, Daniel reportedly told them Rice and the homeland security adviser, Lisa Monaco, were concerned that then-President Barack Obama would be "boxed in" if news of their deliberations leaked to the press.

A source familiar with the matter did not contest the characterization, but said the Obama administration "timed its response so as to not provoke the Russians into materially affecting the outcome of the election."

The White House's internal struggle over how to address Russia's election meddling has been well documented. Last year, The Washington Post reported that when they were faced with the question of how best to respond to Russia's meddling, one senior official told the outlet, "I feel like we sort of choked."

Intelligence officials said initially that they could not respond until they had a clearer picture of the scale and scope of Russia's interference. And when it came time to respond, The Post reported, Obama decided to retaliate after the election to avoid appearing as though the White House was putting its thumb on the scale in favor of Hillary Clinton, then the Democratic presidential nominee.

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Jul 11, 2019 10:28:53   #
kemmer (a regular here)
 
Louie27 wrote:
... Some are so tied to the past they can't see what progress has occurred. They are blinded by the hate of one man who won a Presidency over an opponent they had so strongly supported.

Yeah, we went through 8 years of hate and obstruction with President Obama.

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Jul 11, 2019 11:21:19   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
kemmer wrote:
Yeah, we went through 8 years of hate and obstruction with President Obama.


Obstruction of liberal policies, yes, but not hate. And now it's pay back time, right? To the exclusion of all else, even the country, as it thrives??

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Jul 11, 2019 11:29:20   #
kemmer (a regular here)
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Obstruction of liberal policies, yes, but not hate. And now it's pay back time, right? To the exclusion of all else, even the country, as it thrives??

The good of the country didn't seem to concern the Republicans during the Obama admin. Their only goal--as decreed by McConnell--was to destroy Obama.

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Jul 11, 2019 12:00:31   #
Louie27 (a regular here)
 
Airforceone wrote:
Look you out of touch Trump supporter Obama found out after the Trump election in Late December he did sanction Russia because he knew Trump and Flynn were involved. So check your GD fu$king time time line and look you Park it. Damm there is really something wrong with you people.


It seems you are the one out of touch with reality. The Obama knew of the attempt to, I will say, hinder our election for president, and the Obama administration did nothing. New York Times.com, 6/21/2017. If you read that article you will understand it's implication. If not there is simply a comprehension impediment in your thing processes.

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Jul 11, 2019 12:03:46   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
kemmer wrote:
The good of the country didn't seem to concern the Republicans during the Obama admin. Their only goal--as decreed by McConnell--was to destroy Obama.


Since it turned out that they were right, I guess it did!

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Jul 11, 2019 12:04:37   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
Louie27 wrote:
It seems you are the one out of touch with reality. The Obama knew of the attempt to, I will say, hinder our election for president, and the Obama administration did nothing. New York Times.com, 6/21/2017. If you read that article you will understand it's implication. If not there is simply a comprehension impediment in your thing processes.
It seems you are the one out of touch with reality... (show quote)


In fact, Obama actively hid the information from the public for political purposes.

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Jul 11, 2019 12:50:58   #
Larai (a regular here)
 
kemmer wrote:
The good of the country didn't seem to concern the Republicans during the Obama admin. Their only goal--as decreed by McConnell--was to destroy Obama.


Ahh Much like George Soros who had stated Many times, that he would use his entire fortune just to bring Bush down.. that would be W. so this is so classic.. pot calling the kettle black!.. interesting!

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Jul 11, 2019 13:09:58   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
Larai wrote:
Ahh Much like George Soros who had stated Many times, that he would use his entire fortune just to bring Bush down.. that would be W. so this is so classic.. pot calling the kettle black!.. interesting!


Agreed but I did not like McConnell saying that. Even my non-liberal self felt inclined to suggest it as a racist comment. And, given McConnell's origins, I feel that the flash in my little mind there in, was justified to a certain degree.

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Jul 11, 2019 13:25:57   #
Larai (a regular here)
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Agreed but I did not like McConnell saying that. Even my non-liberal self felt inclined to suggest it as a racist comment. And, given McConnell's origins, I feel that the flash in my little mind there in, was justified to a certain degree.


Well..Yes to a degree.. the "halfrican" comment was indeed a racist comment.. but its Not inaccurate... Obama ran the first time around saying he was half black and half white due to his mom being white.. He ran on that premise the first time to get the white vote.. after that and his second term he forgot all about the white part of him... so while that may well have been a racial slur... it was accurate..

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Jul 11, 2019 14:47:00   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
Larai wrote:
Well..Yes to a degree.. the "halfrican" comment was indeed a racist comment.. but its Not inaccurate... Obama ran the first time around saying he was half black and half white due to his mom being white.. He ran on that premise the first time to get the white vote.. after that and his second term he forgot all about the white part of him... so while that may well have been a racial slur... it was accurate..
Well..Yes to a degree.. the "halfrican" ... (show quote)


That, taken with McConnell's 2008 comment that we must be dedicated to making Obama a one term president, and it seems pretty obvious. But yes, it is accurate.

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Jul 12, 2019 12:22:08   #
Louie27 (a regular here)
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Agreed but I did not like McConnell saying that. Even my non-liberal self felt inclined to suggest it as a racist comment. And, given McConnell's origins, I feel that the flash in my little mind there in, was justified to a certain degree.


I also think that McConnell exasperated the whole situation. No matter what he thought about Obama, he made that point before he knew what Obama could achieve. Although he was later proven right.

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Jul 13, 2019 21:38:37   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
Louie27 wrote:
I also think that McConnell exasperated the whole situation. No matter what he thought about Obama, he made that point before he knew what Obama could achieve. Although he was later proven right.


Agree on that.

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