nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You have any proof that rising CO2 levels caused the warming?? Even if adjusted for error, the ice cores show that temp's rose before CO2 levels, which then might have augmented the rise in temp but still, does not precede the rise in temps. So where is the proof other than rationalizing based upon somewhat known science??

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I was hoping to find a nice 4 sentence explanation for the post, but everything is complicated..

This article does a pretty good job, but is to long for posting. follow the link if you wish.

Plenty of articles to go look at, but all are long..

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11659-climate-myths-ice-cores-show-co2-increases-lag-behind-temperature-rises-disproving-the-link-to-global-warming/

Ice cores from Antarctica show that at the end of recent ice ages, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere usually started to rise only after temperatures had begun to climb. There is uncertainty about the timings, partly because the air trapped in the cores is younger than the ice, but it appears the lags might sometimes have been 800 years or more.

Initial warming
This proves that rising CO2 was not the trigger that caused the initial warming at the end of these ice ages – but no climate scientist has ever made this claim. It certainly does not challenge the idea that more CO2 heats the planet.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

An interesting article which is more rationalization and suggests that the ice cores do not support the idea that warming precedes CO2 rises and yet, out side of those warming periods there is only one in which the CO2 levels seem to rise concurrently with warming and, of course, that one period is taken as the major case study for CO2 based warming, they actually don't know the source of the cO2 and thus, their assumption that CO2 rose at that time is then in question.

It's complex and warrants further study but it does not represent the bed rock upon which to say that CO2 produced by man is causing warming. Simply reading the articles and related articles demonstrates just how complex the issue is and the sheer number of confounding factors is over whelming. In other words, to alter the earth's economy based upon this is foolish, to say the least.

Additionally, there actually appear to be positives to warming, if you have read the article I have posted. The point of the thread is to show that warming is not the end of the earth nor is it the cancer that will k**l off man kind. To be honest, it there wasn't so much commerce/humanity associated with coastal regions, I doubt it would ever be a concern. I don't feel for the loss of ocean front prooperty and those involved.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Oh come on, you can not honestly doubt the fact.. only the f****l f**l battalions of the United States still spend money deigning the obvious..

If CO2 is fine with you, it is OK for you to breath again..

We have a couple candidates for the cancer k*****g off mankind..

The planet will clean itself for a million years and be fine.

this is so established I will not bother arguing the point..

If you do not wish to believe fine.. you are OK....

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I'll let you in on a little secret; there is no proof that CO2 has any effect on ambient temperature other than In Vitro. What has been assumed to be well established is being abandoned by environmental groups right and left. The supposed consensus was one of the most bogus exaggerations ever. For example, if a "scientist" said they felt there was only a 5% chance that CO2 emission by man were causing warming, they were put in the list of those agreeing that man is causing g****l w*****g. IE - there is no consensus.

Are you worried CO2 will poison the planet?? Referring to your statement about breathing CO2.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Poison the planet.. no, but was concerned you could be holding your breath to see which came first you turn blue or the crop died..

I am truly frustrated beyond words with this stupid failure to keep pretending CC is not man made and in front of our eyes..

You refuse to accept facts.. OK, what the heck.. go as you wish..

We fine Democrats will, as we always have, bring you along to the saved and improved world. Kicking and screaming probable, but we will bring you in spite of yourself.

The consensus is world wide. business and state/local governments working for betterment regardless of the orange effort to force back coal.. never will happen..

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Nice meme, and the polar bear population is increasing, by the way.

I don't think anyone denies warming, to a degree, but we do, many of us, deny that it is caused by CO2 put into the air by man or any other source. There is a greater chance the warming is a direct result of concrete and man made structures than CO2. Add to that the loss of huge and I mean huge amounts of rain forest. Man has altered the landscape in incredible ways, almost all of which contribute to warming.

And at least try to consider that the system is so very complex and we simply don't know but a fraction about it.

And think about this, it is and has become such a huge issue with the public because of all the hype it gets. Everything is hyped now. A storm is reported on by a guy pretending to be blown over by winds so strong; while in the back ground the camera crew failed to notice the mom and kids pushing a stroller full of groceries to the car; or with Anderson Cooper waist deep in water in a ditch making it look like there is extensive flooding. We now name cool fronts. Seriously?? Things which have been going on for hundreds of years are reported as if for the very first time. Like droughts in India. They were worse in the 1700's and resulted in much greater death tolls. Man was no where near the level of CO2 emitter back then.

In all things, we exaggerate and build up. News isn't news any more. It's drama! And the more any issue can be hypes and built into some sort of emergency, the more money can be made by those who write/film/wh**ever about it.

If we don't stop acting like this, when there is finally cooling, OMG, it'll be how man is causing the next ice age which, by the way, was the concern back in the 70's.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

You have a couple point in this page..

clearly we have to rip up all the concrete..

Polar bears are now considered holding, but the loss of sea ice has reduced habitat to the point that the end maybe near.. if forced to land and cross breed the result will be brown bears..

Yes, the news has become a viewer attraction device. Only numbers count..

I do not care to go over all these points.. feeding time..

So have a good one and come back tomorrow.. I may or may not..

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Later.