The Bradley Fighting Vehicle...Farce Of Pentagon Waste And Excessively Useless Spending
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/armys-plan-super-bradley-fighting-vehicle-are-dead-44082Read this and you will catch that the pentagon wasted $20 Billion just testing and exploring viability and whether they wanted an upgrade or a super version. Tests failed miserably, as has been the overall legacy of the fighting vehicle concept from the start. In this legacy, the first ones produced proved to be death traps and woefully inadequate at protecting the troops as it was designed to do. The first fleet of these was sunk in the ocean to be used as a foundation for reefs. The common sense behind spending billions of dollars on vehicles that carry a half dozen soldiers is deeply ludicrous, and proves the need for congressional oversight of expenditures in the tens of billions of dollars.
This is an interesting article about an excellent book about waste and fraud in the pentagon, written by a long term pentagon buyer. This author is the one that blew the whistle on the BFV.
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/03/books/corrupt-from-top-to-bottom.html
woodguru wrote:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/armys-plan-super-bradley-fighting-vehicle-are-dead-44082
Read this and you will catch that the pentagon wasted $20 Billion just testing and exploring viability and whether they wanted an upgrade or a super version. Tests failed miserably, as has been the overall legacy of the fighting vehicle concept from the start. In this legacy, the first ones produced proved to be death traps and woefully inadequate at protecting the troops as it was designed to do. The first fleet of these was sunk in the ocean to be used as a foundation for reefs. The common sense behind spending billions of dollars on vehicles that carry a half dozen soldiers is deeply ludicrous, and proves the need for congressional oversight of expenditures in the tens of billions of dollars.
This is an interesting article about an excellent book about waste and fraud in the pentagon, written by a long term pentagon buyer. This author is the one that blew the whistle on the BFV.
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/03/books/corrupt-from-top-to-bottom.html. (
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I think that it is better to see this fail in testing where all people concerned could walk away, rather than producing it and sending it with troops to battle where they could not walk away. I guess I value human life more than you value money.
Pennylynn wrote:
I think that it is better to see this fail in testing where all people concerned could walk away, rather than producing it and sending it with troops to battle where they could not walk away. I guess I value human life more than you value money.
I think you profoundly missed the point. This $20 Billion is but a fraction this system of abject failures has cost. I agree with testing, but do you have any idea of how much $20 Billion is, and how ridiculous it is not to be able to figure out failures that indicate the need to pull the plug on a project well before that much is wasted?
This is a vehicle designed to carry less than half a dozen soldiers, does that make sense to you to spend that much for that?
The pentagon had a chance to pull the plug on it's most expensive and dysfunctional jet before it got to the point where it costs over $350 million apiece plus ludicrous development costs, the Air Force said early on it didn't want it at the cost it was coming in at.
Don't try to defend what you don't understand, did you even read the articles I posted? They reflect what has gone on and how the pentagon manages to waste so much money on ill conceived and often dysfunctional equipment. The pentagon has produced tanks it never uses only to order new ones.
woodguru wrote:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/armys-plan-super-bradley-fighting-vehicle-are-dead-44082
Read this and you will catch that the pentagon wasted $20 Billion just testing and exploring viability and whether they wanted an upgrade or a super version. Tests failed miserably, as has been the overall legacy of the fighting vehicle concept from the start. In this legacy, the first ones produced proved to be death traps and woefully inadequate at protecting the troops as it was designed to do. The first fleet of these was sunk in the ocean to be used as a foundation for reefs. The common sense behind spending billions of dollars on vehicles that carry a half dozen soldiers is deeply ludicrous, and proves the need for congressional oversight of expenditures in the tens of billions of dollars.
This is an interesting article about an excellent book about waste and fraud in the pentagon, written by a long term pentagon buyer. This author is the one that blew the whistle on the BFV.
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/03/books/corrupt-from-top-to-bottom.html. (
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If you think that you can do better, I'm sure that the DOD would like to hear about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle
woodguru wrote:
I think you profoundly missed the point. This $20 Billion is but a fraction this system of abject failures has cost. I agree with testing, but do you have any idea of how much $20 Billion is, and how ridiculous it is not to be able to figure out failures that indicate the need to pull the plug on a project well before that much is wasted?
This is a vehicle designed to carry less than half a dozen soldiers, does that make sense to you to spend that much for that?
The pentagon had a chance to pull the plug on it's most expensive and dysfunctional jet before it got to the point where it costs over $350 million apiece plus ludicrous development costs, the Air Force said early on it didn't want it at the cost it was coming in at.
Don't try to defend what you don't understand, did you even read the articles I posted? They reflect what has gone on and how the pentagon manages to waste so much money on ill conceived and often dysfunctional equipment. The pentagon has produced tanks it never uses only to order new ones.
I think you profoundly missed the point. This $20 ... (
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This is new to you? They've been wasting huge amounts of money on various weapons systems for many years through democrat and republican administrations. Where have you been?
No, actually the DOD has no interest in common sense and oversight that would save vast sums of money... been there and done that
Rose42 wrote:
This is new to you? They've been wasting huge amounts of money on various weapons systems for many years through democrat and republican administrations. Where have you been?
Yet people, supposed patriots, seem to feel that the idea of doing something about the waste and fraud is unpatriotic as far as supporting the military.
I've rarely been able to get an agreement from the right that the pentagon needs a harsh crackdown. The prevailing GOP sentiment being let them be without oversight and give them more money to waste.
...and you want to know something? I have been involved in oversight actions...FMC that makes the Bradley Fighting Vehicle had me bid a repair manual that they were paying well over $400 million for, I told them it could be done in house under me for under three million with 20 of my illustrators. This caused them quite the freak out as they were jacking the government for hundreds of millions in senate overrides on each repair manual they were doing. I was going to be a whistle blower and was scheduled for a 60 minutes interview, but "decided" it was not good for my health to go there, defense contractors have some hardcore connections you don't want to mess with.
woodguru wrote:
Yet people, supposed patriots, seem to feel that the idea of doing something about the waste and fraud is unpatriotic as far as supporting the military.
That makes no sense and is just an opinion.
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I've rarely been able to get an agreement from the right that the pentagon needs a harsh crackdown. The prevailing GOP sentiment being let them be without oversight and give them more money to waste.
The democrats have done no better in that regard.
Rose42 wrote:
The democrats have done no better in that regard.
Democrats were opposed by republicans for ten years in terms of oversight, my point was that republicans need to care enough to support the idea of ending waste and fraud. Here's where someone says but what about Hillary and Obama...them too, all waste and fraud, it isn't a partisan game.
woodguru wrote:
Democrats were opposed by republicans for ten years in terms of oversight, my point was that republicans need to care enough to support the idea of ending waste and fraud. Here's where someone says but what about Hillary and Obama...them too, all waste and fraud, it isn't a partisan game.
They all need to care enough to do something about it or it will never get fixed. Its not just the republicans no matter how much you want it to be.
woodguru wrote:
No, actually the DOD has no interest in common sense and oversight that would save vast sums of money... been there and done that
And yet you still think that the federal government should be in charge of your health care?
Rose42 wrote:
They all need to care enough to do something about it or it will never get fixed. Its not just the republicans no matter how much you want it to be.
What did I just say? I just said it is both sides and republicans have to support cutting waste and fraud as well as democrats.
Gatsby wrote:
And yet you still think that the federal government should be in charge of your health care?
The for profit model is not working, it is broken and ludicrously expensive.
woodguru wrote:
What did I just say? I just said it is both sides and republicans have to support cutting waste and fraud as well as democrats.
You focussed on republicans as usual
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