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'It is immoral': Former first lady Laura Bush criticizes the separation of migrant children from their parents
Jun 28, 2019 21:59:19   #
PeterS
 
Strange how she didn't blame this policy on Obama. I guess once you are out of office you stop getting the memos. Sad...

https://www.businessinsider.com/laura-bush-calls-separation-of-migrant-children-from-parents-immoral-2018-6?fbclid=IwAR0JK4qNpf3dxIjP8V7_qvF9sy-iGv9Oh54d7Hrj23hhqK--tOxxnp340HI

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Jun 28, 2019 22:42:21   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
PeterS wrote:
Strange how she didn't blame this policy on Obama. I guess once you are out of office you stop getting the memos. Sad...

https://www.businessinsider.com/laura-bush-calls-separation-of-migrant-children-from-parents-immoral-2018-6?fbclid=IwAR0JK4qNpf3dxIjP8V7_qvF9sy-iGv9Oh54d7Hrj23hhqK--tOxxnp340HI


S**k of this separation crap. Keep yourself and your fu#%ing kids in your own country.

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Jun 28, 2019 23:23:48   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
PeterS wrote:
Strange how she didn't blame this policy on Obama. I guess once you are out of office you stop getting the memos. Sad...

https://www.businessinsider.com/laura-bush-calls-separation-of-migrant-children-from-parents-immoral-2018-6?fbclid=IwAR0JK4qNpf3dxIjP8V7_qvF9sy-iGv9Oh54d7Hrj23hhqK--tOxxnp340HI

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Jun 28, 2019 23:33:35   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
PeterS wrote:
Strange how she didn't blame this policy on Obama. I guess once you are out of office you stop getting the memos. Sad...

https://www.businessinsider.com/laura-bush-calls-separation-of-migrant-children-from-parents-immoral-2018-6?fbclid=IwAR0JK4qNpf3dxIjP8V7_qvF9sy-iGv9Oh54d7Hrj23hhqK--tOxxnp340HI


You people are seriously sick if you think that inviting foreigners for free everything, no borders will resonate with most v**ers in this country...And regarding Mrs Bush not being happy about separation of illegal kids..why is she not happy about homeless kids living on the streets???..Why is she not happy about families being permanently separated from their loved ones due to Sanctuary policy which allows criminal i*****l a***ns to k**l people and to get away with it????....When she can answer all this,then i will listen to what BS she says..But for now...Frankly my dear, i dont give a damn!!!!

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Jun 29, 2019 00:24:59   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
You people are seriously sick if you think that inviting foreigners for free everything, no borders will resonate with most v**ers in this country...And regarding Mrs Bush not being happy about separation of illegal kids..why is she not happy about homeless kids living on the streets???..Why is she not happy about families being permanently separated from their loved ones due to Sanctuary policy which allows criminal i*****l a***ns to k**l people and to get away with it????....When she can answer all this,then i will listen to what BS she says..But for now...Frankly my dear, i dont give a damn!!!!
You people are seriously sick if you think that in... (show quote)


You are not nice

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Jun 29, 2019 00:30:02   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
You are not nice


Nice is overrated,Tom....

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Jun 29, 2019 00:42:08   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
Nice is overrated,Tom....



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Jun 29, 2019 02:29:20   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
Strange how she didn't blame this policy on Obama. I guess once you are out of office you stop getting the memos. Sad...

https://www.businessinsider.com/laura-bush-calls-separation-of-migrant-children-from-parents-immoral-2018-6?fbclid=IwAR0JK4qNpf3dxIjP8V7_qvF9sy-iGv9Oh54d7Hrj23hhqK--tOxxnp340HI


She is correct, Pete. The separation of children, is an a*********n to all principled and conscientious Americans.

However, we must change and move society from within. The question of i*****l i*********n must be solved not by progressives, or liberals. It cannot be solved by conservatives or libertarians. It can only be solved by Society as a whole. Unlike the homosexual marriage argument, society must take a leading role in this crisis.

I have said to you many times it is Society that drives Government not the other way around.

I*****l i*******ts have a double jeopardy problem in law. Since they are not citizens they do not have any rights guaranteed by the Constitution. The Constitution only applies to the American Citizen.

The American Citizen has a restriction on their rights in the beginning of Adulthood. This restriction is that of v****g. The American Citizen has the right to v**e at the age of 18, at the same time the citizen has a right to die for this country. Yet those between the ages of 18 and 21 do not have the right to operate a commercial vehicle or even drink alcohol.

Since citizenship is taught to the natural born citizen during junior high/ High School the same should be applied to the noncitizen.

The solution to i*****l i*********n is to stop the human trafficking of individuals coming to this country. The wall is an ends to a means, but is not a end-all-be-all solution.

I would write the bill for Congress, if I do it would read like this:

"In the event, that a person wants to join our country, then certain requirements must be set forth:

1. The foreign national must apply for citizenship. At this time an investigation to vet the foreigner shall begin. A temporary visa consisting of no more than 180 days be granted to the foreigner. During that time the foreigner shall take classes including a civics class and an American History class.

2. Upon successful completion of the class, the foreigner shall present the diploma to Immigration. And a review of the foreigner's behavior in the United States shall be examined. The foreigners civic actions while acting as if he has already become a citizen shall be looked at. If for the six months of the Visa, the foreigner did not commit any criminal activity, meaning felonies, shall be granted a hearing.

3. Upon going to the hearing, the judge shall administer the oath of citizenship, and at that point naturalization shall be completed. The foreigner is now a citizen. "

This solves the problem of how an immigrant can become a citizen.
Now other vetting should also accompany this procedure.

First the immigrant should be medically sound. This means that the immigrant not introduce into this country any disease that can cause a public epidemic. In such cases, the immigrant should be treated and v*****es should be given to the immigrant. Like we do for American Children when they first start school so should we do for the immigrant.

Second a full background investigation through the State Department should be accomplished. We finger print our American Children while they are in school, so should the immigrant be finger printed or even given a DNA test.

And that should be all. This is a simple bill that should pass through congress and end the immigration battle. The next issue should be that of i*****l i*********n.

If a foreigner is guilty of breaking our i*********n l*ws, then that person should be deported. They should be deported for reasons greater than a misdemeanor. However, misdemeanors should be harshly looked at. If I want to be a citizen of a country, I should not commit a misdemeanor or felony in that country I want to belong to.

The immigration bill that I wrote above, is simple. It costs the immigrant no money. It would cost the taxpayer even less. Since the community in which the immigrant takes his classes, have already paid for the schooling within the community, one or two more students would not "break the bank" but should more immigrants join the one or two then a small fee equal to the taxes paid should be implemented. But an accountant and a lawyer can decide on how much, however it should not exceed the taxes applied to minimum wage people and can be determined by the income of the immigrant.

Finally, once the immigrant becomes a citizen, then all rights be granted to the citizen.

I once heard, that the Democrats support a******ns by American citizens and also support i*****l i*********n. This argument has been made many times. What I don't understand is simply, why would you want to k**l the American Citizen, the baby, and give that citizenship to the foreigner?

That is a sad state of affairs if that is true.....

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Jun 29, 2019 02:42:27   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
She is correct, Pete. The separation of children, is an a*********n to all principled and conscientious Americans.

However, we must change and move society from within. The question of i*****l i*********n must be solved not by progressives, or liberals. It cannot be solved by conservatives or libertarians. It can only be solved by Society as a whole. Unlike the homosexual marriage argument, society must take a leading role in this crisis.

I have said to you many times it is Society that drives Government not the other way around.

I*****l i*******ts have a double jeopardy problem in law. Since they are not citizens they do not have any rights guaranteed by the Constitution. The Constitution only applies to the American Citizen.

The American Citizen has a restriction on their rights in the beginning of Adulthood. This restriction is that of v****g. The American Citizen has the right to v**e at the age of 18, at the same time the citizen has a right to die for this country. Yet those between the ages of 18 and 21 do not have the right to operate a commercial vehicle or even drink alcohol.

Since citizenship is taught to the natural born citizen during junior high/ High School the same should be applied to the noncitizen.

The solution to i*****l i*********n is to stop the human trafficking of individuals coming to this country. The wall is an ends to a means, but is not a end-all-be-all solution.

I would write the bill for Congress, if I do it would read like this:

"In the event, that a person wants to join our country, then certain requirements must be set forth:

1. The foreign national must apply for citizenship. At this time an investigation to vet the foreigner shall begin. A temporary visa consisting of no more than 180 days be granted to the foreigner. During that time the foreigner shall take classes including a civics class and an American History class.

2. Upon successful completion of the class, the foreigner shall present the diploma to Immigration. And a review of the foreigner's behavior in the United States shall be examined. The foreigners civic actions while acting as if he has already become a citizen shall be looked at. If for the six months of the Visa, the foreigner did not commit any criminal activity, meaning felonies, shall be granted a hearing.

3. Upon going to the hearing, the judge shall administer the oath of citizenship, and at that point naturalization shall be completed. The foreigner is now a citizen. "

This solves the problem of how an immigrant can become a citizen.
Now other vetting should also accompany this procedure.

First the immigrant should be medically sound. This means that the immigrant not introduce into this country any disease that can cause a public epidemic. In such cases, the immigrant should be treated and v*****es should be given to the immigrant. Like we do for American Children when they first start school so should we do for the immigrant.

Second a full background investigation through the State Department should be accomplished. We finger print our American Children while they are in school, so should the immigrant be finger printed or even given a DNA test.

And that should be all. This is a simple bill that should pass through congress and end the immigration battle. The next issue should be that of i*****l i*********n.

If a foreigner is guilty of breaking our i*********n l*ws, then that person should be deported. They should be deported for reasons greater than a misdemeanor. However, misdemeanors should be harshly looked at. If I want to be a citizen of a country, I should not commit a misdemeanor or felony in that country I want to belong to.

The immigration bill that I wrote above, is simple. It costs the immigrant no money. It would cost the taxpayer even less. Since the community in which the immigrant takes his classes, have already paid for the schooling within the community, one or two more students would not "break the bank" but should more immigrants join the one or two then a small fee equal to the taxes paid should be implemented. But an accountant and a lawyer can decide on how much, however it should not exceed the taxes applied to minimum wage people and can be determined by the income of the immigrant.

Finally, once the immigrant becomes a citizen, then all rights be granted to the citizen.

I once heard, that the Democrats support a******ns by American citizens and also support i*****l i*********n. This argument has been made many times. What I don't understand is simply, why would you want to k**l the American Citizen, the baby, and give that citizenship to the foreigner?

That is a sad state of affairs if that is true.....
She is correct, Pete. The separation of children, ... (show quote)


Ranger, your Bill makes sense to most of us...Unfortunately,your Bill will be DOA...Democrats want i*****l i*********n the way it is...They need more v**es,since a lot of Dems with great head on their shoulders are leaving this Party little by little...So you see, they need i******s to keep them quiet work for a little pay and v**e for Dems...For that they will be awarded with free medical,free education and for this they dont need to become citizens of this Greatest Country in the World...So as much as your Bill makes sense, dems wont approve it,since they hold majority in the Congress!!!!...For now!!!

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Jun 29, 2019 03:27:58   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
proud republican wrote:
Ranger, your Bill makes sense to most of us...Unfortunately,your Bill will be DOA...Democrats want i*****l i*********n the way it is...They need more v**es,since a lot of Dems with great head on their shoulders are leaving this Party little by little...So you see, they need i******s to keep them quiet work for a little pay and v**e for Dems...For that they will be awarded with free medical,free education and for this they dont need to become citizens of this Greatest Country in the World...So as much as your Bill makes sense, dems wont approve it,since they hold majority in the Congress!!!!...For now!!!
Ranger, your Bill makes sense to most of us...Unfo... (show quote)


I recommend you read Mark Levin's book, "Unfreedom of the Press"

True, the bill would be DOA in Congress or should I say, in the Government because the government, both Republicans and Democrats want i*****l i*********n. They seem to make money off of these poor people. But, I am not appealing to the government. The reason is because Government restricts the people as Jefferson and Hamilton wrote in the Federalist papers. I'm appealing to Society.

President Trump, has proven that anyone who holds the highest office in the land, cannot yield his power without support of Congress. Yet Congress's duty is to restrict the actions of Society. Funny part about Society, the President and Congress belong to Society. Therefore if we appeal to Society, then the bill would pass and not be DOA.

Judeo-Christian principles are the foundation of the American Society. We are bound by our concepts of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Progressive movements challenge and rock our Society at the core. Why would a political party, that was built on freedom, tempered by war, and refined in Democracy, k**l one their own, and replace that one with a foreigner.

If we in Society stick to our founding principles in faith and love, and put away the false hope of progressiveness, we would stand the test of time. It is comforting to have power and not have to use it, then to use power and regret using it. Truman could tell you all about that with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Therefore it is my opinion that Society should do the job of the Government since the Government refuses to act. Now, forcing Society to act, is a tricky one. Society is made up of individuals and individual thought. It is only the Government, that restricts the actions of Society, but it is Society that drives the government. Since the government is driven by Society the movement must start at the local level.

What I learned during the Obama administration, is that when Obama failed to act, the States acted. Arizona SB-1070 was enacted when the Obama administration refused to act when immigration got out of control in Arizona. States have a right to protect themselves. Alabama and Ohio supported Arizona's decision. So all movements that are successful only start at a local level. So we as members of this great nation, should assist our President in solving the immigration issue.

The way we can do it is by starting at the local level. Now, if we organize our principles, and promote a comprehensive solution that is simple, and not complex, like what was shown to us by the 20 something democratic candidates up on the stage.

Now this is my opinion, when I watched the first two rounds of the Democratic debates I had high hopes that the Democrat party would be like that of my parents and grandparents. What I saw on stage was the worst display of American ideals. Each proposition that I saw, was either too far fetched, or a program of socialism which will be the downfall of this nation. As a result, I feel that the best man for the job of president, is Donald Trump.

However, I did like a response from Ms. Gabbard. She was against a war in Iran, and she articulated her stance in a logical manner that seemed to make sense. But like the press is today, is the same as it was in the 1790's and 1800, with the campaigns of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. The press is now a party press, and not the NEWS. As a result, we are losing the fairness, that our parents and grandparents had fought for. See there is a difference between the NEWS and a party press. The NEWS asks the question Who, What, Where and When; the Party press gives you the Why and How. The Why and How is only opinion, the Who, what, where and when is fact.

So, since the Government is in a grid lock, it is up to Society on a local level, to tip the scales and break the grid lock. We must work on a local level.

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