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May 29, 2014 16:38:28   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast in Outerspace. This huge phenomena that occurred thousands of millenniums ago, occurred on it's own, and is responsible for this:

The Big Bang threw many planets into the galaxy it blasted open, one named Earth. All of them perfectly round spheres, yet different sizes.
All the planets, due to the Big Bang, were placed into a perfect complete and stable rotation around the Sun (a product of the big bang), as well as the separate moons rotating around them. All to perfectly hang in Outerspace.

The planet named Earth, when ever it got named that, Was blasted into shape made of land and water, with by chance a breathable atmosphere for the eventual life types it planned, or just by chance- happened.
So this one time Big Bang, caused Earth's outer soil to be made up of Minerals, Organic matter, Phosphorus', Carbon, Hydrogen, Air, Water, etc., perfect for "Plant Life." The big bang caused seeds to appear out of nowhere and plants and Trees grew.

That huge galactic phenomena also caused micro amebae, and to have minute inner workings with a 'life force.' In the oceans and seas, the big blast caused those amebas, now alive, to grow and develop (mutate?) into all the small and large thousands type of different sea life. Each having gills to get air from the water, a heart, brain, and having one of two types of sexual organs for mating and multiplying. Wow!

The micro-ameba's that lived in the soil's mud puddles, managed to develop legs, arms, complex brains, heart, body systems, 'lungs', and to crawl out onto dry ground to become animals, and humans (or monkeys for the most part). This was done quickly before the Sun's rotation dried up the mud puddles, along with dew on the grasses and plants each day. By this amazing and phenomenal galactic big bang, these land animals were blasted into two sexes, and able to multiply also.
Oh, those micro ameba's first developed into huge, giant land creatures that ate all the others. The big bang however, limited their existence on the planet though. Phew!
Plus, that grand event also thought to place worms in the soil to create air space for roots to breath!!

So all this is due to the one time Big Bang in outerspace?

To me, knowing and believing completely in the existence of God, in his Son Jesus Christ; this 'idea' of the Big Bang is quite feeble.

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May 29, 2014 16:45:22   #
grace scott
 
rhomin57 wrote:
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast in Outerspace. This huge phenomena that occurred thousands of millenniums ago, occurred on it's own, and is responsible for this:

The Bit Bang threw many planets into the galaxy it created, one named Earth. All of them perfectly round spheres, yet different sizes.
All the planets, due to the Big Bang, were placed into a perfect complete and stable rotation around the Sun (a product of the big bang), as well as the separate moons rotating around them. All to perfectly hang in Outerspace.

The planet named Earth, when ever it got named that, Was blasted into shape made of land and water, with by chance a breathable atmosphere for the eventual life types it planned, or just by chance- happened.
So this one time Big Bang, caused Earth's outer soil to be made up of Minerals, Organic matter, Phosphorus', Carbon, Hydrogen, Air, Water, etc., perfect for "Plant Life." The big bang caused seeds to appear out of nowhere and plants and Trees grew.

That huge galactic phenomena also caused micro amebae, and to have minute inner workings with a 'life force.' In the oceans and seas, the big blast caused those amebas, now alive, to grow and develop (mutate?) into all the small and large thousands type of different sea life. Each having gills to get air from the water, a heart, brain, and having one of two types of sexual organs for mating and multiplying. Wow!

The micro-ameba's that lived in the soil's mud puddles, managed to develop legs, arms, complex brains, heart, body systems, 'lungs', and to crawl out onto dry ground to become animals, and humans (or monkeys for the most part). This was done quickly before the Sun's rotation dried up the mud puddles, along with dew on the grasses and plants each day. By this amazing and phenomenal galactic big bang, these land animals were blasted into two sexes, and able to multiply also.
Oh, those micro ameba's first developed into huge, giant land creatures that ate all the others. The big bang however, limited their existence on the planet though. Phew!
Plus, that grand event also thought to place worms in the soil to create air space for roots to breath!!

So all this is due to the one time Big Bang in outerspace?

To me, knowing and believing completely in the existence of God, in his Son Jesus Christ; this 'idea' of the Big Bang is quite feeble.
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast ... (show quote)



I have no quarrel with the big bang theory as long as you realize that if there was a big bang God caused it.

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May 29, 2014 17:01:02   #
PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.
 
hmmm... I have studied this, and have had experiences in my life, though I may be young. I am leaning towards the big bang, yet that theory can be compatible with god, which gives me hope to peace.

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May 29, 2014 17:01:43   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
I don't get your point? Nothing makes nothing. There has to be a Living Force to create more life. If not for God, nothing would be here. I believe totally in the Word of God, and how it came to be. It's much simpler, yet complete, leaving no questions. Are you saying God made the big bang? If your OK with that, fine.
I believe creation came to be through the Living force of God as gently, loving, and with care as his miracles do. So?
grace scott wrote:
I have no quarrel with the big bang theory as long as you realize that if there was a big bang God caused it.

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May 29, 2014 17:01:53   #
Kevyn
 
grace scott wrote:
I have no quarrel with the big bang theory as long as you realize that if there was a big bang God caused it.

This is the view in a nutshell of most relegious educated people, the thing is it dosn't jive with a literal reading of the Bible so the absolute fundamentalist Christians reject science entirely because if they entertain scientific ideas they are forced to challenge their rigid ideology and dogma.

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May 29, 2014 17:04:40   #
Socialist Batman Loc: Murica
 
rhomin57 wrote:
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast in Outerspace. This huge phenomena that occurred thousands of millenniums ago, occurred on it's own, and is responsible for this:

The Big Bang threw many planets into the galaxy it blasted open, one named Earth. All of them perfectly round spheres, yet different sizes.
All the planets, due to the Big Bang, were placed into a perfect complete and stable rotation around the Sun (a product of the big bang), as well as the separate moons rotating around them. All to perfectly hang in Outerspace.

The planet named Earth, when ever it got named that, Was blasted into shape made of land and water, with by chance a breathable atmosphere for the eventual life types it planned, or just by chance- happened.
So this one time Big Bang, caused Earth's outer soil to be made up of Minerals, Organic matter, Phosphorus', Carbon, Hydrogen, Air, Water, etc., perfect for "Plant Life." The big bang caused seeds to appear out of nowhere and plants and Trees grew.

That huge galactic phenomena also caused micro amebae, and to have minute inner workings with a 'life force.' In the oceans and seas, the big blast caused those amebas, now alive, to grow and develop (mutate?) into all the small and large thousands type of different sea life. Each having gills to get air from the water, a heart, brain, and having one of two types of sexual organs for mating and multiplying. Wow!

The micro-ameba's that lived in the soil's mud puddles, managed to develop legs, arms, complex brains, heart, body systems, 'lungs', and to crawl out onto dry ground to become animals, and humans (or monkeys for the most part). This was done quickly before the Sun's rotation dried up the mud puddles, along with dew on the grasses and plants each day. By this amazing and phenomenal galactic big bang, these land animals were blasted into two sexes, and able to multiply also.
Oh, those micro ameba's first developed into huge, giant land creatures that ate all the others. The big bang however, limited their existence on the planet though. Phew!
Plus, that grand event also thought to place worms in the soil to create air space for roots to breath!!

So all this is due to the one time Big Bang in outerspace?

To me, knowing and believing completely in the existence of God, in his Son Jesus Christ; this 'idea' of the Big Bang is quite feeble.
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast ... (show quote)


The mother of all debates, the Big bang theory explains everything better than the bible. From what we see in the physical world to what we think in our minds it fits.

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May 29, 2014 17:06:27   #
Socialist Batman Loc: Murica
 
rhomin57 wrote:
I don't get your point? Nothing makes nothing. There has to be a Living Force to create more life. If not for God, nothing would be here. I believe totally in the Word of God, and how it came to be. It's much simpler, yet complete, leaving no questions. Are you saying God made the big bang? If your OK with that, fine.
I believe creation came to be through the Living force of God as gently, loving, and with care as his miracles do. So?


If there is a divine creation behind the force of the big bang it would be ridiculous to assume that one could know exactly who or what it is.

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May 29, 2014 17:10:51   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Hi Batman! I don't think I've had the pleasure of communicating with you before! There are two different mindsets for mankind. The one that we're born with; can see, can smell, can touch, and then there is the other mindset which is a faith, a belief, things unseen that you know to be true.
There is nothing wrong with either as we are created to experience both. Nice to have bumped into you~
Socialist Batman wrote:
The mother of all debates, the Big bang theory explains everything better than the bible. From what we see in the physical world to what we think in our minds it fits.

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May 29, 2014 17:21:02   #
Socialist Batman Loc: Murica
 
rhomin57 wrote:
Hi Batman! I don't think I've had the pleasure of communicating with you before! There are two different mindsets for mankind. The one that we're born with; can see, can smell, can touch, and then there is the other mindset which is a faith, a belief, things unseen that you know to be true.
There is nothing wrong with either as we are created to experience both. Nice to have bumped into you~


Yup you're right. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I don't feel like debating faith.

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May 29, 2014 18:17:57   #
Homestead
 
rhomin57 wrote:
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast in Outerspace. This huge phenomena that occurred thousands of millenniums ago, occurred on it's own, and is responsible for this:

The Big Bang threw many planets into the galaxy it blasted open, one named Earth. All of them perfectly round spheres, yet different sizes.
All the planets, due to the Big Bang, were placed into a perfect complete and stable rotation around the Sun (a product of the big bang), as well as the separate moons rotating around them. All to perfectly hang in Outerspace.

The planet named Earth, when ever it got named that, Was blasted into shape made of land and water, with by chance a breathable atmosphere for the eventual life types it planned, or just by chance- happened.
So this one time Big Bang, caused Earth's outer soil to be made up of Minerals, Organic matter, Phosphorus', Carbon, Hydrogen, Air, Water, etc., perfect for "Plant Life." The big bang caused seeds to appear out of nowhere and plants and Trees grew.

That huge galactic phenomena also caused micro amebae, and to have minute inner workings with a 'life force.' In the oceans and seas, the big blast caused those amebas, now alive, to grow and develop (mutate?) into all the small and large thousands type of different sea life. Each having gills to get air from the water, a heart, brain, and having one of two types of sexual organs for mating and multiplying. Wow!

The micro-ameba's that lived in the soil's mud puddles, managed to develop legs, arms, complex brains, heart, body systems, 'lungs', and to crawl out onto dry ground to become animals, and humans (or monkeys for the most part). This was done quickly before the Sun's rotation dried up the mud puddles, along with dew on the grasses and plants each day. By this amazing and phenomenal galactic big bang, these land animals were blasted into two sexes, and able to multiply also.
Oh, those micro ameba's first developed into huge, giant land creatures that ate all the others. The big bang however, limited their existence on the planet though. Phew!
Plus, that grand event also thought to place worms in the soil to create air space for roots to breath!!

So all this is due to the one time Big Bang in outerspace?

To me, knowing and believing completely in the existence of God, in his Son Jesus Christ; this 'idea' of the Big Bang is quite feeble.
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast ... (show quote)


Well now............................just back up a minute.

Do you remember the old theory of the universe, before the theory of the big bang.

It was dust theory. The idea that small particles and asteroids slowly concreted over the aeons.

This was the proof that the universe couldn't come into existence in one fell swoop, like the bible says.
And in those days the priests and ministers smiled and nodded and patted the scientist on the head and said, "That's very interesting, now run along and go learn some more."

Now we have the big bang theory which is, in some ways, closer to what the bible said, then what the scientist thought before.

But now, we don't have the priests and ministers patting the scientists on the head saying, "good," your getting closer, now go back to work and try some more."

Let me make this clear.

Man will never make a telescope big enough or a microscope small enough to see God through it or put God under it.

If you know that God is the creator of all things, then man will never discover anything that God did not create.

If you believe in God and there was in fact a big bang, then God created the big bang.

It's not up to us to approve or disapprove of God's methods.

On judgement day, when brought before the Lord and I ask him if he did use the big bang to create the universe and he says that he did,
I'm not sure I want on my record, a history of denying God's work, because, during my life on earth, I maintained that God didn't do, what he did.

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May 29, 2014 18:37:22   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
And Eastern Mystics believe that "in the beginning" there was only God. Or the magical, mystical "IS" if you prefer. Not God over here and a pile of stuff over there that God decided to create the Universe out of. In which case, everything that exists IS God. God created everything out of Him/Her/It self. This not only seems possible but also probable to me because God always was. Think about that for a minute. ALWAYS WAS. So, if you have millions and billions and trillions of years to play with that's how long you'd take to assemble the Revelle World Kit. So, if God always was, it seems possible that this may be the 10 billionth iteration of the Big Bang. That he/she/it does it this way every time, has ALWAYS been doing it and always will.

And that comes from deriving the true nature of God from the fact that every single human being who has ever lived (even the aborted ones) is living now or ever will live has a unique finger print/iris. What but a divine cause could even begin to imagine numbers like that?

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May 29, 2014 18:43:59   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
Kevyn wrote:
This is the view in a nutshell of most relegious educated people, the thing is it dosn't jive with a literal reading of the Bible so the absolute fundamentalist Christians reject science entirely because if they entertain scientific ideas they are forced to challenge their rigid ideology and dogma.

Evidently you have no idea what the average fundamentalist Christian believes. God created the earth and everything in it. He spoke the world into existence. It took 6 days. He rested on the seventh. If you really want to know the t***h you will study the bible and surround yourself with Christians who can disciple you. This is the only way you will be able to speak with authority.

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May 29, 2014 18:50:28   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
rhomin57 wrote:
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast in Outerspace. This huge phenomena that occurred thousands of millenniums ago, occurred on it's own, and is responsible for this:

The Big Bang threw many planets into the galaxy it blasted open, one named Earth. All of them perfectly round spheres, yet different sizes.
All the planets, due to the Big Bang, were placed into a perfect complete and stable rotation around the Sun (a product of the big bang), as well as the separate moons rotating around them. All to perfectly hang in Outerspace.

The planet named Earth, when ever it got named that, Was blasted into shape made of land and water, with by chance a breathable atmosphere for the eventual life types it planned, or just by chance- happened.
So this one time Big Bang, caused Earth's outer soil to be made up of Minerals, Organic matter, Phosphorus', Carbon, Hydrogen, Air, Water, etc., perfect for "Plant Life." The big bang caused seeds to appear out of nowhere and plants and Trees grew.

That huge galactic phenomena also caused micro amebae, and to have minute inner workings with a 'life force.' In the oceans and seas, the big blast caused those amebas, now alive, to grow and develop (mutate?) into all the small and large thousands type of different sea life. Each having gills to get air from the water, a heart, brain, and having one of two types of sexual organs for mating and multiplying. Wow!

The micro-ameba's that lived in the soil's mud puddles, managed to develop legs, arms, complex brains, heart, body systems, 'lungs', and to crawl out onto dry ground to become animals, and humans (or monkeys for the most part). This was done quickly before the Sun's rotation dried up the mud puddles, along with dew on the grasses and plants each day. By this amazing and phenomenal galactic big bang, these land animals were blasted into two sexes, and able to multiply also.
Oh, those micro ameba's first developed into huge, giant land creatures that ate all the others. The big bang however, limited their existence on the planet though. Phew!
Plus, that grand event also thought to place worms in the soil to create air space for roots to breath!!

So all this is due to the one time Big Bang in outerspace?

To me, knowing and believing completely in the existence of God, in his Son Jesus Christ; this 'idea' of the Big Bang is quite feeble.
So, according to Science there was this Big Blast ... (show quote)

Amen! There is more evidence to support the Bible than any other written work in all of history. If anyone who thinks they came out of ooz really is seeking the t***h I can recommend a great book.
" The Case for Faith", by lee Stroebel

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May 29, 2014 18:58:12   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
Socialist Batman wrote:
If there is a divine creation behind the force of the big bang it would be ridiculous to assume that one could know exactly who or what it is.

Those of us who are Christians have an advantage that you have never experienced. When we are saved the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of us. You may have heard the term, Indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Once that happens we have a direct communication with God. He guides us, teaches us and helps us to perceive things differently than we could have before we were saved. One of the reasons someone who is not saved cannot know God or have any clear understanding of Him is because they have not experienced this.

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May 29, 2014 19:08:12   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Amen. Can't have a design without a designer.
rhomin57 wrote:
I don't get your point? Nothing makes nothing. There has to be a Living Force to create more life. If not for God, nothing would be here. I believe totally in the Word of God, and how it came to be. It's much simpler, yet complete, leaving no questions. Are you saying God made the big bang? If your OK with that, fine.
I believe creation came to be through the Living force of God as gently, loving, and with care as his miracles do. So?

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