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Jun 20, 2019 21:32:51   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Over 50 % of our electricity comes from alternative energy already.


Then why isn't my electric bill reduced by 50%?

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Jun 20, 2019 22:29:27   #
Lonewolf
 
archie bunker wrote:
Then why isn't my electric bill reduced by 50%?


Sorry but the way it works is they get you to conserve energy and when you do they increase the cost to you so they can make the same amount of money while supplying less.
So if you use no electricity it will double your rate.

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Jun 21, 2019 06:06:33   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
bahmer wrote:
Is the World Abandoning F****l F**ls?
By Vijay Jayaraj - June 20, 2019

The call to abandon f****l f**ls is louder than ever. This week, the French government announced that France is on track to ban f****l f**l-powered cars by 2040.

The war on f****l f**ls has taken center stage even in the race for the 2020 United States p**********l e******ns. Joe Biden, one of the leading candidates, released his manifesto to reduce f****l f**l use and more recently pledged to phase out f****l f**l production entirely.

Amidst this anti-f****l f**l madness, it is easy to forget that most of the world’s energy comes from f****l f**ls. For anyone working in the energy sector, the phase-out calls appear nothing short of fantasy.

Despite the demonization of f****l f**ls, their use continues to increase, and there are no signs of slowdown. Here are some facts about the magnitude to which f****l f**ls are being used—facts the mainstream media keep away from the public.

The Big Three

The “big three” energy sources—coal, oil, and natural gas—have provided the majority of the primary energy needed to run our world for over two centuries.

The natural gas boom in the U.S. has led to a f****l f**l revolution in the world, with more countries competing to match the U.S. superiority in energy development. Natural gas was the biggest gainer in the past 8 years. Its share in total global energy nearly tripled from 2010 to 2018, from 8 percent to 23 percent.

Coal is currently the second highest primary energy source and the highest electricity generation source globally. Global coal use increased by 0.7 percent in 2018 on account of increased demand from Asia.

The global primary energy demand for oil and gas was the highest in the U.S., while the demand for coal was highest in China.

Sixty-four percent of the electricity generated last year came from the big three. In comparison, solar plants provided just 2 percent of the world’s electricity. Clearly, the big three are miles ahead of other energy sources—like renewables and hydro—with regard to energy demand, production, and the magnitude of growth in the past decade.

The Future

With developing countries still struggling to meet their energy demands and with increased demand projected for the next three decades, it is likely that they will consolidate their f****l f**l-based energy technologies to achieve the kind of energy stability that we see in the U.S. today.

China’s GDP growth will be the highest in the coming decades, closely followed by India’s. Both of these countries are fossil-fuel dependent and are currently ranked within the top five countries for f****l f**l use and f****l f**l demand. The increase in their energy demand will have to be met by the expansion of f****l f**l resources.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration’s Annual Energy Outlook 2019 (and projections to 2050), concludes that America will continue to produce high volumes of oil and gas at least until 2050 regardless of future changes in energy demand and energy prices.

Japan and Germany’s aversion to nuclear energy has forced them to depend more on coal. An increasing number of developing countries in Asia and South America are now expanding their f****l f**l use, thanks to coal technology exports from Japan, China, and Russia.

Advances in nuclear technology will be important, but nuclear will not substitute for the growing f****l f**l-dominated energy sector.

One would imagine that a big international agreement like Paris climate treaty—passed in 2015 with the singular goal of reducing the use of f****l f**ls—would have an immediate impact. But if anything, there has been an increase in the demand for f****l f**ls during the past three years.

Efforts to ban f****l f**ls cannot stand against the overwhelming demand for power generation that can be met only from cheap and abundant sources like coal and natural gas.

Unless you are working and living in a very select few organizations, it is likely that the majority of your everyday energy comes from f****l f**ls. For those like me who live in the metropolitan cities of the developing world, almost 100 percent of electricity comes from f****l f**ls.

F****l f**ls will not disappear from the world’s energy mix in the foreseeable future.
Is the World Abandoning F****l F**ls? br By Vijay ... (show quote)


Will electric vehicles really create a cleaner planet?
https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/reports/electric-vehicles.html
Ugly side:
The mineral cobalt is used in virtually all batteries in common devices, including cellphones, laptops and even electric vehicles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cobalt-children-mining-democratic-republic-congo-cbs-news-investigation/

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Jun 21, 2019 13:00:00   #
Ted_68
 
permafrost wrote:
Where in the heck did you ever get the idea that "those in government" spend our taxes at their leisure??

They can not even pay the bills for what has been spent in past years.. never mind any personal wishes..

Other then trump, very little personal, non approved spending is done..

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Jun 21, 2019 13:01:51   #
Ted_68
 
Eat that



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Jun 21, 2019 15:24:25   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ted_68 wrote:
Eat that



OOF DA,, You do understand that steel never is gone... near 80% of the US steel is recycled..

So find some other figures to toss around. Hint, if they are from right wing fish wrap, they are lying to you..



Oh nuts, I forgot this because it is so well known..


The energy payback for a 2-megawatt wind turbine that lasts over 20 years is... 5-8 months



Need the whole story? let me know and you get the link..

read it? You will have to do that yourself... hard work for you deniers..

Darn, my last fishing buddy..
Darn, my last fishing buddy.....

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Jun 21, 2019 16:43:22   #
Ted_68
 
660 megawatts to smelt one ton of scrap Steel . Not mention the energy required to get the steel ready to smelt or the energy required to gather it and get there. Dick.

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Jun 21, 2019 16:45:03   #
Ted_68
 
Key point ,"invested in building it".again ,Dick.

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Jun 21, 2019 19:41:30   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
permafrost wrote:
OOF DA,, You do understand that steel never is gone... near 80% of the US steel is recycled..

So find some other figures to toss around. Hint, if they are from right wing fish wrap, they are lying to you..



Oh nuts, I forgot this because it is so well known..


The energy payback for a 2-megawatt wind turbine that lasts over 20 years is... 5-8 months



Need the whole story? let me know and you get the link..

read it? You will have to do that yourself... hard work for you deniers..
OOF DA,, You do understand that steel never is g... (show quote)


permafrost, jack of all trades, master of BS.

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Jun 21, 2019 20:03:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
archie bunker wrote:
Permi, I h**e to have to light you up my friend, but is your ass sore from pulling the 6-8 month payback time out of it?

I just spoke with my son who has climbed thousands of them all over the country, and is currently inside one trying to figure out what it's problem is.

He told me that there are endless variables in payback time. Maintenence costs, contract variables, etc....

The wind farm he works on has 104 1.5 megawatt towers that bring in 60 bucks per megawatt hour. Many he has worked bring in as little as 6 bucks. And it's a 3 million dollar machine.

I told him what you said, and he told me to tell you you're full of s**t. It will take a minimum of 10 years for full payback in produced power.

He also told me that if you have any more questions, to send you his email, and he'll give you all of the accurate information you need.

This 32 year old kid has been to schools, and training all over the country, and like I said, has climbed, dismantled, and reassembled thousands of them. Also, he works for the largest energy corporation in the world. Literally. I consider him to be an expert on those things.
Permi, I h**e to have to light you up my friend, b... (show quote)




archie, I have no doubt that your son is very good at his job and knows an enormous amount about wind gereration..

all that said, I would also bet most of his time is spent with generators which are not working up to grade..

I will not dispute him at all, but when I scan information i find very differing results both when size of out put is changed and intent of production. From home use.. not difficult it seems, to commercial uses which become better and more reliable every year..

Also the source which carries the information.. from wattsup, to bloomberg or eco-energy. You can find many differing reports.

A careful read is needed to pin down and compare information..

but I very firmly believe that wind and solar are quickly becoming the norm and will no longer be a curiosity in just a few years..



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Jun 21, 2019 20:11:29   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
archie, I have no doubt that your son is very good at his job and knows an enormous amount about wind gereration..

all that said, I would also bet most of his time is spent with generators which are not working up to grade..

I will not dispute him at all, but when I scan information i find very differing results both when size of out put is changed and intent of production. From home use.. not difficult it seems, to commercial uses which become better and more reliable every year..

Also the source which carries the information.. from wattsup, to bloomberg or eco-energy. You can find many differing reports.

A careful read is needed to pin down and compare information..

but I very firmly believe that wind and solar are quickly becoming the norm and will no longer be a curiosity in just a few years..
archie, I have no doubt that your son is very go... (show quote)


He knows his business, and he deals with it every day. You can read from authors who tap a keyboard, or someone who sees it every day.
I'll go with the guy who sees it myself.

Like the dog picture, BTW.

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Jun 21, 2019 20:19:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
archie bunker wrote:
He knows his business, and he deals with it every day. You can read from authors who tap a keyboard, or someone who sees it every day.
I'll go with the guy who sees it myself.

Like the dog picture, BTW.



Me to... I figure he was the best part of my whole day of posting..

Have a nice night, archie..

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Jun 21, 2019 20:34:35   #
Carol Kelly
 
son of witless wrote:
I am not against electric cars. I am against the subsidies they get from government. If they can compete in the market place, more power to them. I have a friend who has an old electric car and the acceleration is impressive. I wouldn't want one, but if you only drive locally and get free electricity, they ain't bad.


That’s the key...short trips in an electric car might be fine especially with free electricity, but if you have a new grandson in another state and want to see him, an electric car is no good. And anyway, who said the French or Germans know what’s best for the world, especially America. Tell that to theUN.

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Jun 21, 2019 20:35:32   #
Carol Kelly
 
Ted_68 wrote:
Eat that



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Jun 21, 2019 21:03:55   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
bahmer wrote:
Is the World Abandoning F****l F**ls?
By Vijay Jayaraj - June 20, 2019

The call to abandon f****l f**ls is louder than ever. This week, the French government announced that France is on track to ban f****l f**l-powered cars by 2040.

The war on f****l f**ls has taken center stage even in the race for the 2020 United States p**********l e******ns. Joe Biden, one of the leading candidates, released his manifesto to reduce f****l f**l use and more recently pledged to phase out f****l f**l production entirely.

Amidst this anti-f****l f**l madness, it is easy to forget that most of the world’s energy comes from f****l f**ls. For anyone working in the energy sector, the phase-out calls appear nothing short of fantasy.

Despite the demonization of f****l f**ls, their use continues to increase, and there are no signs of slowdown. Here are some facts about the magnitude to which f****l f**ls are being used—facts the mainstream media keep away from the public.

The Big Three

The “big three” energy sources—coal, oil, and natural gas—have provided the majority of the primary energy needed to run our world for over two centuries.

The natural gas boom in the U.S. has led to a f****l f**l revolution in the world, with more countries competing to match the U.S. superiority in energy development. Natural gas was the biggest gainer in the past 8 years. Its share in total global energy nearly tripled from 2010 to 2018, from 8 percent to 23 percent.

Coal is currently the second highest primary energy source and the highest electricity generation source globally. Global coal use increased by 0.7 percent in 2018 on account of increased demand from Asia.

The global primary energy demand for oil and gas was the highest in the U.S., while the demand for coal was highest in China.

Sixty-four percent of the electricity generated last year came from the big three. In comparison, solar plants provided just 2 percent of the world’s electricity. Clearly, the big three are miles ahead of other energy sources—like renewables and hydro—with regard to energy demand, production, and the magnitude of growth in the past decade.

The Future

With developing countries still struggling to meet their energy demands and with increased demand projected for the next three decades, it is likely that they will consolidate their f****l f**l-based energy technologies to achieve the kind of energy stability that we see in the U.S. today.

China’s GDP growth will be the highest in the coming decades, closely followed by India’s. Both of these countries are fossil-fuel dependent and are currently ranked within the top five countries for f****l f**l use and f****l f**l demand. The increase in their energy demand will have to be met by the expansion of f****l f**l resources.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration’s Annual Energy Outlook 2019 (and projections to 2050), concludes that America will continue to produce high volumes of oil and gas at least until 2050 regardless of future changes in energy demand and energy prices.

Japan and Germany’s aversion to nuclear energy has forced them to depend more on coal. An increasing number of developing countries in Asia and South America are now expanding their f****l f**l use, thanks to coal technology exports from Japan, China, and Russia.

Advances in nuclear technology will be important, but nuclear will not substitute for the growing f****l f**l-dominated energy sector.

One would imagine that a big international agreement like Paris climate treaty—passed in 2015 with the singular goal of reducing the use of f****l f**ls—would have an immediate impact. But if anything, there has been an increase in the demand for f****l f**ls during the past three years.

Efforts to ban f****l f**ls cannot stand against the overwhelming demand for power generation that can be met only from cheap and abundant sources like coal and natural gas.

Unless you are working and living in a very select few organizations, it is likely that the majority of your everyday energy comes from f****l f**ls. For those like me who live in the metropolitan cities of the developing world, almost 100 percent of electricity comes from f****l f**ls.

F****l f**ls will not disappear from the world’s energy mix in the foreseeable future.
Is the World Abandoning F****l F**ls? br By Vijay ... (show quote)




One of the greatest s**ms on Americans and the l*****t are still promoting the lie...... Oil comes from fossils. False!

Fact... Oil is regenerated by the earth, it does not come from organic materials.

There are dozens of sites on American territory and each could by itself supply America for over 500 years.

We have been sucked into this farse and paying high dollars for something as available as water.

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