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Jun 22, 2019 13:51:07   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
JoyV wrote:
No. This is MORE than disingenuous. Yes there are pregnancy changes. They are not caused by the baby but by the fact a woman in pregnant. For example, the two leading causes of pregnancy deaths (both mother and child die), is stroke and heart disease. There is an increased blood flow to the uterus. The greater need leads to the heart pumping harder and higher blood pressure and heart attacks. These conditions are usually present before pregnancy, but are worsened because of the increased blood need. These can happen early in the pregnancy. Another problem is preeclampsia and eclampsia. Preeclampsia is a serious blood pressure condition that can happen after the 20th week of pregnancy or after giving birth (called postpartum preeclampsia). It’s when a woman has high blood pressure and signs that some of her organs, like her kidneys and liver, may not be working normally. Eclampsia is a rare and life-threatening condition. It’s when a woman with preeclampsia has seizures or goes into a coma. These commonly happen at or after the 20th week. This will k**l the baby as well as the mother. The next most common cause is an emergency in delivery. This can be from excessive bleeding or amniotic fluid embolism. These are not things which the baby has caused other than by being born. And the 3rd is bleeding up to 2 weeks afterward without medical intervention or infection. And one that is still present today, but was much more common in the past is infection. It use to be known as childbed fever. There is little reason for a woman to die of an infection caught during delivery today. In the past, the practice of not washing hands, using contaminated tools, and no antibiotics caused a high risk of infections. In modern western culture infection is not a big problem, but it is higher in deliveries by C section than by vaginal delivery. Probably because those having C sections are already at higher risks as they aren't given just because a mother would prefer it. Again, the baby did not cause it.

Now to include the risks from having an a******n. The maternal mortality rate for vaginal deliveries would be 1.1/100,000 live births, less than the death-to-case rate of 1.9/100,000 in legal a******ns. So carrying a baby to term and having a vaginal delivery is safer for the mother than having an a******n.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6854898

So to conclude. No, an unborn baby does NOT k**l his mother. But having a baby does increase certain risks. Having an a******n comes with a higher risk of death to the mother. These risks are highest when the mother has some pre-existing condition which the pregnancy exacerbates.
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Thank you for an enlightening write up and explanation. Dumb old guys need this type of explanation so we have a handle on what's happening.
To even consider a baby a parasite is totally stupid. If this was the case, it would be the end of the human race as the i****e s****m would eliminate the threat and there would be no babies.

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Jun 22, 2019 14:46:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Nine states would not only allow a******n after 28 weeks, but even allow a******n through all 9 months of pregnancy:
Illinois, Alaska, Colorado, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon and Vermont, along with Washington, D.C.

The U.S. is one of only seven countries in the world that allows elective a******ns after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

According to a national poll conducted by Marist University, three in four Americans (75 percent) say a******n should be limited to – at most – the first three months of pregnancy. This includes most Republicans (92 percent), Independents (78 percent) and a majority of Democrats (60 percent). It also includes more than six in 10 (61 percent) who identify as “pro-choice” on a******n.
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I did qualify my post with "elective"....

As for you list, I would check out each state law..

Nearly all the time, the law is somewhat different than is reported by the right wing..

But for now, a wonderful day up in this north land, I have shredding to do and a garden to stand around in, so unless the rain comes up here, only later will I look at your next post..

Have a terrific day.. this beauty should be for everyone..



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Jun 22, 2019 15:10:35   #
Cuda2020
 
archie bunker wrote:
Except in very rare cases, you're either male, or female biologically. There ain't no such thing as g****r nuetral.
I wasn't talking about a homo kid.


Right, too bad that wasn’t what I was talking about.

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Jun 22, 2019 15:12:46   #
Cuda2020
 
permafrost wrote:
I did qualify my post with "elective"....

As for you list, I would check out each state law..

Nearly all the time, the law is somewhat different than is reported by the right wing..

But for now, a wonderful day up in this north land, I have shredding to do and a garden to stand around in, so unless the rain comes up here, only later will I look at your next post..

Have a terrific day.. this beauty should be for everyone..


That’s incredible, did you make that perm?

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Jun 22, 2019 15:33:49   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
That’s incredible, did you make that perm?


Looks like driftwood.

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Jun 22, 2019 15:59:51   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
I did qualify my post with "elective"....

As for you list, I would check out each state law..

Nearly all the time, the law is somewhat different than is reported by the right wing..

But for now, a wonderful day up in this north land, I have shredding to do and a garden to stand around in, so unless the rain comes up here, only later will I look at your next post..

Have a terrific day.. this beauty should be for everyone..


A garden to stand around in? While you're there, bend over, and pull some weeds ya lazy bastard!

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Jun 22, 2019 16:29:47   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
I did qualify my post with "elective"....

As for you list, I would check out each state law..

Nearly all the time, the law is somewhat different than is reported by the right wing..

But for now, a wonderful day up in this north land, I have shredding to do and a garden to stand around in, so unless the rain comes up here, only later will I look at your next post..

Have a terrific day.. this beauty should be for everyone..


Only about 4% of a******ns are done for medical reasons. All others are elective.
Definition of e******n.
An elective a******n is the interruption of a pregnancy before the 20th week of gestation at the woman's request for reasons other than maternal health or fetal disease. Most a******ns in the United States are performed for this reason.

Illinois . This bill was signed into law this year. https://www.aclu-il.org/en/legislation/sb-25-Illinois-reproductive-health-act

https://abort73.com/a******n_facts/us_a******n_statistics/

I'm not going to look up the a******n law for every state I listed at this time.

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Jun 22, 2019 16:31:36   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
archie bunker wrote:
I would like to thank everyone here for the kind words, and congratulations. I kinda figgered this might stir the baby k**lers up, but only one (predictably) showed up. Maybe there is hope for humanity!


For the baby k**lers.

Happy Birthday, Make a Wish

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Jun 22, 2019 16:41:52   #
bahmer
 
JoyV wrote:
Only about 4% of a******ns are done for medical reasons. All others are elective.
Definition of e******n.
An elective a******n is the interruption of a pregnancy before the 20th week of gestation at the woman's request for reasons other than maternal health or fetal disease. Most a******ns in the United States are performed for this reason.

Illinois . This bill was signed into law this year. https://www.aclu-il.org/en/legislation/sb-25-Illinois-reproductive-health-act

https://abort73.com/a******n_facts/us_a******n_statistics/

I'm not going to look up the a******n law for every state I listed at this time.
Only about 4% of a******ns are done for medical re... (show quote)


It makes me sick to say that I unfortunately live in this d********g state of Illinois.

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Jun 22, 2019 16:49:59   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
For the baby k**lers.

Happy Birthday, Make a Wish


Sounds like a guy who regrets paying to have his child murdered.

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Jun 22, 2019 17:24:38   #
Cuda2020
 
byronglimish wrote:
Well... There are universal studies which claim that up to 75% of all lesbians and sodomites were sexually molested and that cannot be ignored as a contributing factor.

And homosexuality is encouraged and enabled by ungodly people.

Nature in itself undoubtedly proves pro-creation by great intelligent design.

People of the ungodly variety enjoy bringing up the anomalies of some animals who engage in same sex behavior, to justify and enable abominable behavior.

But in the Bible if a man or woman had sexual relations with a beast...both were condemned, which makes sense.
Well... There are universal studies which claim th... (show quote)


I can’t have a realistic conversation with you.

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Jun 22, 2019 17:25:20   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
For the baby k**lers.

Happy Birthday, Make a Wish


It brought tears to my eyes,I feel for the emptiness where a baby should have been IF ONLY.

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Jun 22, 2019 17:27:07   #
Cuda2020
 
archie bunker wrote:
A garden to stand around in? While you're there, bend over, and pull some weeds ya lazy bastard!


One clarification, if she is due in August this is not a prime time a******n baby.

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Jun 22, 2019 17:32:30   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
archie bunker wrote:
A garden to stand around in? While you're there, bend over, and pull some weeds ya lazy bastard!



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Jun 22, 2019 17:36:10   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
One clarification, if she is due in August this is not a prime time a******n baby.


Depends where you live.

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