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Jun 18, 2019 13:22:21   #
Singularity
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Guess thinking you are the opposite sex is better than thinking that you woke up one morning and discovered you are a cockroach.


or... gasp! STILL having the body of the g****r which is opposite to that which you feel/know is yours....

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Jun 18, 2019 13:30:22   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Singularity wrote:
or... gasp! STILL having the body of the g****r which is opposite to that which you feel/know is yours....


When what you feel is incorrect, then getting help to explore why you have those feeling and how you can re-enter the world of reality seems like an excellent concept.

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Jun 18, 2019 13:58:55   #
Singularity
 
no propaganda please wrote:
When what you feel is incorrect, then getting help to explore why you have those feeling and how you can re-enter the world of reality seems like an excellent concept.

Who judges another humans inner t***h.

How does one even apprehend or verify for oneself another human's inner t***h of existence or being?

In one sense, you claim your name is "NPP" or "no propaganda please," but that's just a choice you made. You have a legal birth name inscribed on a certificate of birth. Is it a sin then to be called NPP or to ask to be referred to by that name since it is technically not true, thus a lie?

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Jun 18, 2019 18:08:48   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Singularity wrote:
Who judges another humans inner t***h.

How does one even apprehend or verify for oneself another human's inner t***h of existence or being?

In one sense, you claim your name is "NPP" or "no propaganda please," but that's just a choice you made. You have a legal birth name inscribed on a certificate of birth. Is it a sin then to be called NPP or to ask to be referred to by that name since it is technically not true, thus a lie?


Apparently you ;live in Alice in Wonderland where a word shall mean what I want it to mean, nothing more, nothing less. In your world, from a large number of your post, seems to be one where anything you want to do is right for you, and all cultures, all behaviors and all activities are equally valid. What a frightening world that would be if we all believed that.

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Jun 18, 2019 18:45:30   #
Rose42
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Apparently you ;live in Alice in Wonderland where a word shall mean what I want it to mean, nothing more, nothing less. In your world, from a large number of your post, seems to be one where anything you want to do is right for you, and all cultures, all behaviors and all activities are equally valid. What a frightening world that would be if we all believed that.


Yes it would indeed. That is hedonism.

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Jun 18, 2019 19:50:56   #
Singularity
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Apparently you ;live in Alice in Wonderland where a word shall mean what I want it to mean, nothing more, nothing less. In your world, from a large number of your post, seems to be one where anything you want to do is right for you, and all cultures, all behaviors and all activities are equally valid. What a frightening world that would be if we all believed that.

Yes!

I believe that that is exactly the case. Each word I utter means what I mean it to say and each word that I hear means what it means to me, nothing more and nothing less. The problem is each human has its own unique dictionary. With extreme patience, at times, we can converse by throwing these words and meanings into the air to see what sticks in our unique separate understandings, both individually as well as mutually, and occasionally arrive at some individual and possibly some mutual understanding and wisdom.This is communication.

The claim that "anything you want to do is right for you, and all cultures, all behaviors and all activities are equally valid" neglects the fact of embedded hierarchical imperatives as well as the conundrum of conflicting perfect and imperfect rights of individuals as well as groups with one another.

While there may or may not be any one absolute moral authority in the form of some divine being, there is certainly no one such entity accepted by every human being.

It's okay, though, cause that's just an unnecessary complication anyway.

By defining participants's individual as well as mutual goals, with adequate communication and self-control, agreement may be reached regarding how progress toward or away from those goals might be realized. This is secular morality in a nutshell.

Morality most frequently boils down to the fact that the rub, in the end, is what to do about the asshole. My guess is to maintain them in the least restrictive environment to prevent harm to self or others and love them as best you can.

But my actual question was who among us has the ability to communicate and judge the inner being of another human to sift its t***h or value for them?

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Jun 18, 2019 20:49:46   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Singularity wrote:
Yes!

I believe that that is exactly the case. Each word I utter means what I mean it to say and each word that I hear means what it means to me, nothing more and nothing less. The problem is each human has its own unique dictionary. With extreme patience, at times, we can converse by throwing these words and meanings into the air to see what sticks in our unique separate understandings, both individually as well as mutually, and occasionally arrive at some individual and possibly some mutual understanding and wisdom.This is communication.

The claim that "anything you want to do is right for you, and all cultures, all behaviors and all activities are equally valid" neglects the fact of embedded hierarchical imperatives as well as the conundrum of conflicting perfect and imperfect rights of individuals as well as groups with one another.

While there may or may not be any one absolute moral authority in the form of some divine being, there is certainly no one such entity accepted by every human being.

It's okay, though, cause that's just an unnecessary complication anyway.

By defining participants's individual as well as mutual goals, with adequate communication and self-control, agreement may be reached regarding how progress toward or away from those goals might be realized. This is secular morality in a nutshell.

Morality most frequently boils down to the fact that the rub, in the end, is what to do about the asshole. My guess is to maintain them in the least restrictive environment to prevent harm to self or others and love them as best you can.

But my actual question was who among us has the ability to communicate and judge the inner being of another human to sift its t***h or value for them?
Yes! br br I believe that that is exactly the ca... (show quote)


To that question my response is that we need not judge the inner being of another, only his outward behavior as it affects other people. In your mind you can believe you are the smartest person in the world and therefore deserve a paycheck of 10million dollars a year as long as you don't really demand that your desires must be provided for by others.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:19:23   #
Carol Kelly
 
4430 wrote:
Sad to say but we wouldn't hear very much if any about all this g****r problems if it weren't for the supporters shoving it down everyone's throat !

Then there's the Homo's shoving their crapola propaganda onto little kids which is child abuse to the highest level seems to be no limit as to how evil we can get !


Amen!

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Jun 18, 2019 21:22:11   #
Carol Kelly
 
no propaganda please wrote:
To that question my response is that we need not judge the inner being of another, only his outward behavior as it affects other people. In your mind you can believe you are the smartest person in the world and therefore deserve a paycheck of 10million dollars a year as long as you don't really demand that your desires must be provided for by others.


I agree completely. Just don’t shove this stuff down our throats or on our children.
And don’t mix it in with our government.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:28:39   #
Singularity
 
no propaganda please wrote:
To that question my response is that we need not judge the inner being of another, only his outward behavior as it affects other people. In your mind you can believe you are the smartest person in the world and therefore deserve a paycheck of 10million dollars a year as long as you don't really demand that your desires must be provided for by others.

Like 6:27-36

27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who h**e you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. "

[And my point.... ]


"30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. "


"31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

Included some context for you ones who haven't got it memorized.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:38:39   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
Like 6:27-36

27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who h**e you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. "

[And my point.... ]


"30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. "


"31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

Included some context for you ones who haven't got it memorized.
Like 6:27-36 br br 27 “But to you who are listeni... (show quote)


You omitted some important context - like sexual perversion being an a*********n to God There’s no going around it as you’re trying to do.

One can do all of the above while never condoning or accepting the sin.

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Jun 18, 2019 22:58:44   #
Singularity
 
Rose42 wrote:
You omitted some important context - like sexual perversion being an a*********n to God There’s no going around it as you’re trying to do.

One can do all of the above while never condoning or accepting the sin.

Actually I was responding to NPP's claim that I wouldn't deserve a million bucks if I just ASKED for it.

He's right. I wouldn't deserve it. But he is wrong in the larger context since the New Testament says that if one asks a sum or personal possession of a Christian, they are to give it with a cheerful heart, and if taken by coercion, they are not even to seek to get it back. The reciever's possible ill motive is moot as the worse one's claim the more glorious the opportunity for the Christian's spiritual growth!

Yes I did ask to return to topic, so back to your sexual perversion aversion....

I can understsnd if you feel icky about the sexual topics you find perverted. I would still support you as a worthy human being. Perhaps you'll feel comforted if you resolve firmly never to do it (again, or repent sincerely to yourself) if it makes you feel icky or ashamed. Then stop tormenting yourself by imagining others being able to so thoughtlessly enjoy and nurture themselves sexually while you're so frustrated. Maybe take up card games or golfing to keep the mind off it.

And if your god's head explodes, well, then, it wasn't really a very good god, was it?

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Jun 19, 2019 00:06:38   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
Actually I was responding to NPP's claim that I wouldn't deserve a million bucks if I just ASKED for it.

He's right. I wouldn't deserve it. But he is wrong in the larger context since the New Testament says that if one asks a sum or personal possession of a Christian, they are to give it with a cheerful heart, and if taken by coercion, they are not even to seek to get it back. The reciever's possible ill motive is moot as the worse one's claim the more glorious the opportunity for the Christian's spiritual growth!

Yes I did ask to return to topic, so back to your sexual perversion aversion....

I can understsnd if you feel icky about the sexual topics you find perverted. I would still support you as a worthy human being. Perhaps you'll feel comforted if you resolve firmly never to do it (again, or repent sincerely to yourself) if it makes you feel icky or ashamed. Then stop tormenting yourself by imagining others being able to so thoughtlessly enjoy and nurture themselves sexually while you're so frustrated. Maybe take up card games or golfing to keep the mind off it.

And if your god's head explodes, well, then, it wasn't really a very good god, was it?
Actually I was responding to NPP's claim that I wo... (show quote)


What a sad post. One day you may stop loving the darkness

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Jun 19, 2019 13:26:34   #
Singularity
 
Rose42 wrote:
What a sad post. One day you may stop loving the darkness


I'm sorry you felt sad.

As a general rule, I do not actively seek to limit my love for anything or anyone. As a practical matter regarding the reality we all face, however, it is prudent that one understand one's and others' realistic limits.

I don't know or understand, precisely, all the issues faced by t*********r individuals, but I find it sad that fundamentalist thinking reduces and limits the perspective of so many individuals in the quest to love them and celebrate our mutual humanity.

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Jun 19, 2019 14:07:33   #
Iliamna1
 
G****r dysphoria is a very sad condition and I see nothing to celebrate about it in any of it's expressions. No matter if that person remains in their biological g****r or if they go through re-assignment surgery, they have a horribly high suicide rate (40%).
The only real cure is to be born again and let the Lord sort it out for you.

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