rumitoid

"The lukewarm I will spit out of my mouth." Rev3:16 God has made it abundantly clear in numerous ways that moderation for a Christian is following the ways of the world, and thus putting them at enmity with the father.

How we are to love God, neighbor, and enemy should totally dissuade us of this clever earthly persuasion: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" Luke10:27 "Love your enemies...and be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Mt5:43-48) Tolerating the enemy, a moderation of thought, is not enough.

We are not to lean on our understanding but thoroughly rely on spirit and grace. Enforcing some code on ourselves for moderation by our will and effort in anything we do is not simply to ignore what we are commanded by Christ to do but an affront to the Holy Spirit. And try to let this resonant, the same is true of our efforts to resist temptation. Neither is within our power to produce good.

If moderation was good, God would not have promised us joy but perky happiness, not everlasting life in heaven but divine comps for good hotel rooms some place nice.

Liberty Tree

There is no moderation in your h**e for Trump, those who support him, or the extreme left agenda. There is only moderation in your approach to the Bible. Like all l*****ts you pick and chose the parts that suit you and ignore the parts that do not.

rumitoid

I am not the topic of the thread. Though all you guys almost always fail to address any topic I write for a personal attack on me instead as the subject, I would still like to hear your thoughts on moderation. That is the actual subject. What do you think?

This thread has given you the opportunity to spread God's word with your knowledge of scripture on this point, and you waste that chance with petty attacks on me. Why?

Liberty Tree

Because you are a hypocrite. You want a discussion on a subject that you do not practice yourself.

rumitoid

Okay, suit yourself. And you are right: I do not practice moderation. Does that make me a hypocrite?

Just take me as a sinner...like yourself.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

I Think Moderation Applying To Everything In The OP
Might Be A Bit Of An Exaggeration

Example:
You Can Relax, Without Being A Sloth
Enjoy Eating, Without Being A Glut
And Have A Cocktail, With-Out Losing Control

Now If Lucifer Set This Concept To Lure Some Over Time
I Don't Know
He's A Very Talented And Busy Guy

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Boom! There it is! End of thread......

Liberty Tree

It does when you, like other liberals who post here, want to quote scripture when it suits you, when you can cherry pick certain parts and then discount or ignore parts you do not like

rumitoid

Yes, the notion of moderation can be misconstrued as a concept. Your examples are good. Is it the act of moderation that keeps my relaxation at bay from being slothful or enjoying a meal from being gluttony or a cocktail from being drunkenness? Of course, it could be. Yet what I am proposing is that with trust in Christ, it is spirit and grace, not our will and effort, that keeps those things from degenerating. And our own attempt at moderation in those things is wrong.

We are not to have a rule of modicum we rigidly enforce to maintain our actions from getting out of control or abusive; we are to be led, always, by spirit. This full dependence is how we are to be in all things.

People who want to attack me for possibly not always acting this way are right: I don't. I am not perfect. When I miss the mark on this I confess. Calling attention to God's word on the subject, even with frequent failures, is not being hypocritical. Many may not be aware of the danger of moderation; it is not a usual topic of conversation in Christian circles.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice . . . Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
BG

rumitoid

How can you say I do that? Maybe I do, yet to say I do without any real evidence is gossip. What does the Bible have to say on that subject? And I have proof in your post you have committed this sin. But we are all sinners. Do we then have no right to speak about the word? What I wrote was from Scripture: is that cherry-picked liberal garbage? Explain how and why. I discounted 99.9% of the Bible to simply deliver what God said about love: does that mean I discount or choose to ignore the rest of the Bible? How many chapter and verses do you need?

rumitoid

Amen!

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

'And our own attempt at moderation in those things is wrong. '
I Disagree
We Are Responsible For What We Choose To Do

If You Expect The Holy Spirit To Swoop Down
And Smack That Bottle From Your Hand
You've Got Another Thing Coming
You've Slipped Into Lucifer's Snare Of Your Own Free Will

Look At All The Sin Israel Was Allowed To Follow
Before God Took Action
Israel Was Swept Off With-Out Identity
And Judah Was Dispersed Out Of It's Inheritance Too

Only In The Last 70yrs
Has There Been An Israel

rumitoid

That was under the Old Covenant, not that the Holy Spirit was not present or active then but the means of salvation are different.

I do not expect the Holy Spirit to swoop down like a superhero to save me, I am commanded by Christ to surrender to the power of spirit: that is the sole function of my will. The sole function of my will. Not to lean on our understanding is something that in Western society is not just overlooked but sneered at. Reason is the rule.