What do you mean by "separate claim". A Constitutionalist is someone who bottom line is not a political platform but rather the United States Constitution; NOT the UN, international law, or political correctness!!!!

You wrote, "People on the left don't treat minorities as less capable" What about the left been saying that b****s are less capable of getting IDs for v****g. What about giving higher education slots to those without the best scores because they are a minority, while pushing the more deserving back. {By more deserving I mean those that have made the highest score not simply been the right skin color.}

So are you saying the district public schools in Detroit, Chicago or the Bronx provide a better education than public charter schools? And if they did, and parents were free to choose, they would then choose the district schools. As a parent, I wanted the best education that I can afford for my son, and want the best for my grandkids. The left doesn't want minority parents to be able to choose their kids schools. Why? And if you say it will hurt district schools when kids are pulled out; that will only happen if the district schools are NOT providing a good education!!!! I didn't have a charter school option for my son. And the district public schools were not providing a decent education let alone a good one. So I filed the paperwork to home school him. He had been in special ed and nothing much was expected of him. He had a high math aptitude, and made some money tutoring high school kids in calculus, while the school would only allow him to take the types of remedial math for those in special ed. But his reading was a disaster. He had a tracking problem with his vision so had difficulty distinguishing one line of print from the ones above and below as each eye saw a different line. His reading had stalled at the 2nd grade level, and he had become lazy with the school and teachers making excuses for why what I expected of him was to much. When I took him out of school in October he was reading at a 2nd grade level in 7th grade. In march he took state testing and came out with reading and comprehension at grade 14. I worked nights and schooled him in the mornings before getting some sleep in the afternoons. I made trade deals with college mathematics professors or students to tutor him in higher maths which was far beyond my understanding. But to simply accept what the government gives you and the school within whose district you live, is a cop out. Caring parents, if given a choice, will choose whichever school gives their kids the best option. So why is it r****t to give minorities that option, but politically correct to force minorities and the poor to keep their kids in schools with are failing to teach.

Nor did I grow up advantaged. I was taken away from my mother because as an Indian the law required her to belong to the religion assigned to the reservation she was from. But since she never baptized me or my sister in that religion, she was declared a criminal and unfit mother. The judge gave us to our stepmother who was an abusive Sunday school teacher. When I started school before being taken fro my mother, I thought I could speak English. But it was really a type of pidgin and my syntax was all wrong. I went hungry a lot and sometimes would pass out in school. My stepmother was against Indians getting an education, but the law required us to go to school. So when we came home she'd take our books until time to go to school again. NO reading was allowed. I snuck a book home which she found. I was not only given no food for a day, but had to watch her burn the book. But it didn't make me give up reading, only to be more careful not to get caught. When I reached 9th grade in high school, she wanted me to quit school. When I refused she kicked me out. For months I lived on the streets but still went to school. I got there early enough to use the gym showers and washed my few clothes by hand in gas station rest rooms. Then I found an after school job where my boss didn't ask me my age. I was able to pay for a room at a YWCA and lived in luxury. I once had a gun put to my head, and was raped while on the streets. BUT I GRADUATED! I then joined the Army. In 1978 a bill was signed which allowed Indians freedom of religion. No one else would be taken from parents for their religion or lack of it! So I might not have been in one of the cities you listed, but I know how easy it would have been to give up and blamed it on life being unfair to minorities. I'd heard the message in multiple ways that minorities need to be taken care of by the government as competing evenly with w****s is beyond our abilities. But I was too stubborn and had too much p***e in myself to buy that narrative. I was determined to make it by my own efforts, not by hand-outs. If that makes me sanctimonious, maybe more minorities need to be sanctimonious!

Obviously, you have issues, you've had it hard so why should anyone get a hand up, is that your contention?

I am not of the far left, I consider myself closer to center but almost every one of you on the right, want to categorize everyone as a far lefty,if one is left to the far right.

And you were sanctimonious when describing your party in comparison to Democrats, your opinionated commentaries you can keep to yourself, as they are very one-sided, like so many on the right, you'd think only your ilk are the shining lights of the constitution, and ...that, that I find is sanctimonious. I have found more people on the right to be complicitous exploiting the constitution, as they have had charges held against them for such.

One better aspect to the limitations of schools in the district you reside is changing for the better, just taking way to long to implement.. Seems an easy task but nothing in government is easy..
Time always the issue...I say get education back to the state level, not the government level.. I’d can the Dept of Education in a heart beat!!

School choice, or the right to decide where and how to educate your children, has always existed for parents who could afford to send their children to a private school or to move to a better school district. Today, however, many states are implementing policies and programs that make available an unprecedented array of education options for families of varying levels. As of 2011, families in at least 18 states had some form of school choice, and legislators in 41 states introduced or passed school choice bills.

While there are many different types of "school choice" programs, they can be generally categorized into two basic forms: public school choice and private school choice.
Public School Choice

Despite the spread of private school choice programs, the majority of students – an estimated 56 million – remain in government-funded public schools, and too many of those schools are underperforming or failing. We spend nearly 500 billion on public schools, and yet graduation rates are as low as 52 to 56 percent for minority students. Clearly, efforts to increase choice and competition for families inside the public school system remain essential...

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/education/school-choice/school-choice-issue

https://www2.ed.gov/parents/schools/choice/definitions.html

This is pure BULLS**T and shame on you to promote this anti-party rhetoric.

My response was from hadenough stating the poverty in the inner cities of Chicago, Detroit and New York was due to democratic politics, my reply was showing him it is also prevalent in Red governed states also. A couple of the states I mentioned may not be at "the lowest" but they certainly are not doing well, but as a country, we are not doing well in education in general. Way too much is going to the military. IMO

Your quote: giving minority families a chance to choose the best public schools for their children where they might get a decent education to compete in the real world.

That would be nice, again not the norm, or reality in most cases, you can't pick schools unless you can claim "a hardship" and get accepted, the reality is that areas are zoned with the intention of separating classes for the most part. Higher taxed areas get the better schools it's that simple. If and when it works out it is the exception... and not the rule. If you don't pay those taxes your not getting into that country club sweety.

No you didn't say b****s, you said minorities. I quote, ""People on the left don't treat minorities as less capable""

But our conversation started with my response to the comment of yours. Quote, "You people are so misguided that you still don't get it, what the left is even talking about, it is truly amazing. You take what the left is talking about when speaking of e******y, which has to do with people not being racially prejudice or bias, and NOT to do with distributing wealth throughout equally. Geeez"

I wrote, "If that is the left's definition of e******y, even if all on the left abide by it; the minorities and low income will never succeed in large numbers. ..."

My posts did not attempt to attribute the cause behind why some states have consistently lower scores than others. Instead my focus was on the r****t patronizing treatment and attitude of the left toward minorities. I pointed out that the left's narrative that minorities are less capable, is r****t. Education was only one of my examples. The attempts to prevent school choice by parents which would force ninorities to remain in schools which are failing to educate our children.. Other examples were v**er ID requirements which the left say are r****t as "b****s/African Americans" are less capable of get IDs.

So the issue was e******y and minorities. You mentioned racial prejudice. And I later mentioned a few specific minorities and that is how b****s came into the discussion. Now you want to pretend it was only about poverty all along. Also, my list does NOT indicate party blame, NOR poverty to blame. You brought party into it when you inaccurately listed the 2 worst education scores were in red states. Also, if you look at the rankings, they fluctuate wildly between poor states and rich states, as well as red states and blue states. So you can't simply blame it on poverty either.

Is the Mexican population what is responsible for NY low scores too?

One better aspect to the limitations of schools in the district you reside is changing for the better, just taking way to long to implement.. Seems an easy task but nothing in government is easy..
Time always the issue...I say get education back to the state level, not the government level.. I’d can the Dept of Education in a heart beat!!

School choice, or the right to decide where and how to educate your children, has always existed for parents who could afford to send their children to a private school or to move to a better school district. Today, however, many states are implementing policies and programs that make available an unprecedented array of education options for families of varying levels. As of 2011, families in at least 18 states had some form of school choice, and legislators in 41 states introduced or passed school choice bills.

While there are many different types of "school choice" programs, they can be generally categorized into two basic forms: public school choice and private school choice.
Public School Choice

Despite the spread of private school choice programs, the majority of students – an estimated 56 million – remain in government-funded public schools, and too many of those schools are underperforming or failing. We spend nearly 500 billion on public schools, and yet graduation rates are as low as 52 to 56 percent for minority students. Clearly, efforts to increase choice and competition for families inside the public school system remain essential...

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/education/school-choice/school-choice-issue

https://www2.ed.gov/parents/schools/choice/definitions.html

Obviously, you have issues, you've had it hard so why should anyone get a hand up, is that your contention?

I am not of the far left, I consider myself closer to center but almost every one of you on the right, want to categorize everyone as a far lefty,if one is left to the far right.

And you were sanctimonious when describing your party in comparison to Democrats, your opinionated commentaries you can keep to yourself, as they are very one-sided, like so many on the right, you'd think only your ilk are the shining lights of the constitution, and ...that, that I find is sanctimonious. I have found more people on the right to be complicitous exploiting the constitution, as they have had charges held against them for such.

Discussing private schools I find to be only a choice to those who can afford it, so that is a moot point to the discussion.

Here's a thought why should scholarly educated people choose to teach as a career? They hardly get paid enough to afford a comfortable way of life, it is better to choose something else. So what is left a few good truly dedicated people, and what about the rest? the majority?

We keep missing the mark, and rather than to look at successful countries, we proudly and arrogantly keep on keeping on with the old and familiar tactics, and poor results. Not a good strategy in my mind, it is a good one for failure.As we stand still, country after country cuts in front of us in line and we move further down it. Where are we now 38th?

My posts about school choice were NOT about private schools. In fact if you will look back, from the beginning I wrote PUBLIC charter schools!!!! And I agree with you that the most competent teachers often leave their teaching careers. But often money is not the most important reason. Teachers have far less flexibility in how, let alone what they will teach these days. I totally agree that we should revamp our public schools and eliminate things which don't help or even harm. One good thing would be to limit the teachers unions to dealing with teacher's pay or their treatment, and keep their hands out of the teaching decisions! Also they prevent schools from firing incompetent teachers.

Discussing private schools I find to be only a choice to those who can afford it, so that is a moot point to the discussion.

Here's a thought why should scholarly educated people choose to teach as a career? They hardly get paid enough to afford a comfortable way of life, it is better to choose something else. So what is left a few good truly dedicated people, and what about the rest? the majority?

We keep missing the mark, and rather than to look at successful countries, we proudly and arrogantly keep on keeping on with the old and familiar tactics, and poor results. Not a good strategy in my mind, it is a good one for failure.As we stand still, country after country cuts in front of us in line and we move further down it. Where are we now 38th?

I wasn’t speaking of private schools, that’s a no brainer.. Also why I just put the public school reference..

Was a time when gifted Teachers wanting to make a difference did very well.. Anymore those going into the field are like the rest of us just wanting to make a living with many looking at how little time, with holidays and summer break they have to actually attend..

We don’t need to look at other countries to see them surpassing our poorly educated children..Even if we did can you imagine actually getting any of their changes implemented here?? Heck we have built in Saboteurs right here that fight to keep schools tied to federal money so the Dept. Of Education can use that money for slush funding instead..

We should concentrate on what the root of the evil is~~

Despite the unprecedented growth of school choice in recent years, significant obstacles continue to hamper and delay momentum.... And its intentionally too..

Opposition from Special Interest Groups to start with...School choice initiatives are consistently opposed by powerful coalition of unions and yes, left-wing interest groups...For instance, the nation's largest teachers' union, the National Education poured millions of dollars into defeating what would have been one of the nation's first universal school choice program: a Utah program that would have made school scholarships available to “families regardless of income”....It passed in Utah's state legislature, it failed in a b****t referendum led and funded mostly by union operatives....WTH??? Tell you anything?? Teachers leave public schools for say charter schools and there goes the Union...

Liberal politicians have also united at the state and national levels to block school choice legislation....Remember the unsuccessful efforts of liberal U.S. representatives to dismantle Bushs’D.C.-based Opportunity Scholarships program?? It specifically benefits many impoverished students and is widely supported by African-American leaders and parents.... What is more important in their eyes than the education level for all kids??? It has funding and scholarships and pre~k etc..,Destroying this program would have forced many underprivileged children to return to low-performing schools... What was the grief about doing it?? Why would they try such a thing??? Why hadn’t this program been implemented in every state???

In addition to teachers' unions, efforts to increase school choice for parents are often vehemently opposed by local school officials who want to protect the status quo and who feel threatened by the prospect of new competition. They often claim that school choice will destroy the public school system and limit good schooling options to only a privileged few.If thats the case then why did they do nothing to correct the inequities they knew existed, rather than just keep it all same ol, same ol??

In addition, public school boards and agencies often make it more difficult for charters to expand by implementing regulations and rules like placing a cap on the amount of charters that can exist, requiring difficult and complicated start-up processes, limiting funding and space that's available for new schools, etc.

We could identify many things wrong with our school system handled By a government that looks at it as dollar bills per child head versus turning it back over to states to establish guidelines, proficiency, and actually have our students passing for a change...

Common Core was the worst thing we did too..Rather than having our children excel, we lowered the bar, let me repeat that please, we lowered the bar and look what we got because of it...

The strongest Nation there is and yet now the dumbest young adults graduating~~~some accomplishment don’t you think?

What's truly sad is as our people run to try and erase our history so they don't have to think this country is racsist or murders they also c***t our children of the country's history which is a map of our wins and our loses it is a map for future generations so they don't make the same mistakes we did. Other countries children know our history better then we do which is very telling and sad our younger generation should be ashamed not of our country but themselves for being so foolish to listen to the voices telling them to distroy their own history