dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I said I will apologize if you said anywhere in this thread, "America is one of the best countries in the world..." I can clearly see that you are trying to weasel around these words by trying to presently affirm this.

As for your basic T***hs, 1) I don't know you, only what you write, 2) I believe you believe what you say, 3) it doesn't matter if I believe you. I respond to what you write (which indicates who or what you are unless you have been lying the entire time).

As for judging me or telling me what I believe, you have because of your condescending remarks and I reply in kind. First Blood. You brought it on.

A few examples of your remarks:

"...in view of your ignorance...",
"Either come correct or stay out of grown folks' conversations. Now, how do you feel?",
"As you have just reminded me - conversing with those who guzzle the kool-aide is just a waste of valuable time. You have your mind encased in Trump cement....and there is little doubt that the light of t***h can enter that domain.",
"True. Yet patience and persistence is a virtue. I see you keep reading and responding as well - pot.....meet kettle!",
"Well that's one opinion. Personally I will place that article under "F**e News" and "Boring BS" Trump is a misogynist, narcissistic r****t in my opinion. Have you not heard "actions speak louder than words?"period.
"Putting aside your juvenile insults;"

I only responded in kind to these remarks as you put them forth. However, I see you have done the same to others on this thread, but they can speak for themselves.

One thing we agree on is that we disagree. Go forth and continue the good fight if you believe it. I constantly question everything I believe. I am also open to changing my mind when the evidence warrants such. I personally think you are misguided, not ignorant, and especially not stupid. You actually make a few good points of which I cannot unilaterally disagree. Actually, I appreciate your posts and read them carefully because I want to understand those who don't see things the same way as I do and why they don't. I stated earlier in this thread that I did not v**e for Trump. But he is our President and I respect the office and position he was duly elected to, just as I did when Obama was President. I even gave you that Trump may be narcissistic. However, so was Obama. Misogynist? Trump may have been at one time but I believe he may also have put that behind him. R****t? No one can know for certain what is in another person's heart or their deepest thoughts. I see no evidence to support this claim, only rhetoric from the left without proof. You want to change things. You'll have your chance in 2020. Maybe sooner. We will see. But you can be assured that I will continue to make postings calling them as I see them. Be well and live a good life.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Okay, "C*****r' is on me because I was being facetious. I think Tubman should be on either a new coin or (new denomination?) bill. Since one dollar is practically worthless how about a Three Dollar Bill. Again, I am being facetious. I was against her replacing Hamilton. Replacing Jackson isn't such a problem for me. But having read the article, which really was an opinion piece with several quotes picked to reflect the author's bias, I don't necessarily attribute the delay to r****m.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I do wonder what you mean by the Majority of 85%?

JediKnight

dtucker: I believe that "condescending" remarks are not necessarily "being judgmental" -as they are based on one's opinion. I respect your right to "see the world" in your own perspective -which is what we all naturally do. I hope you know that my writing "in your ignorance" is not actually a put-down as being "ignorant" simply means "uninformed." Part of my great disdain for Trump is rooted in your and my respect for the "office" of the president. I personally believe that it is possible and correct to "respect the office" -but that doesn't mean we have to respect the person who holds it - especially if that person is not living up to the high moral standards we expect in our leadership. I don't know the man Trump personally -only what I see with my own eyes or read from the press. I do not believe that Trump is qualified nor fit to be president of these great United States -therefore, respectfully, we must agree to disagree. I pray for good blessings for you and your family -and in the words of my friend Spock -live long and prosper!

JediKnight

Understood. Perhaps a better solution would be to simply stick with "putting former presidents on the currency" or inanimate objects like bridges or skyscrapers....then no one (myself included) could claim any "r****m" on who is placed on our currency. [See - it is possible for us to agree on something]

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Well said! I understand the disdain that many people have for Trump. I was a "Never Trump," but after he was elected, I have been happy with much of what he has done, not necessarily what he says. It's all perspective. Thank you! Nanu Nanu!

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I suspect we agree on a lot more than we disagree. I'm not out to make enemies here. Passions run high on OPP and we can all get carried away sometimes when trying to get our point of view expressed. It is nothing personal.

The one constant on our money is the American Trinity: Liberty, In God We Trust, E Pluribus Unum. That should never change!

JediKnight

I also suspect that we agree on more than we disagree. Obviously, we both are very passionate about what we believe and why we believe it. You are so correct about passions and emotions running high here. I admit that I have largely failed in keeping my emotions in check, especially when "disagreement" turns into insults and put downs. Unfortunately, I often still find myself responding "in kind" when I know I've been taught better. Thank you for your honesty. I sometimes think it would have been nice if the Founding Fathers had went with the suggestion of putting "In God We Trust -All Others Pay Cash" on our currency......just a thought!

JoyV

The figures on our money are mostly former presidents or founding fathers. It is not current r****m or sexism, but that the historical leaders of our country were mostly men, even if there were many women whose contributions to our country were never publicly credited.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Now that is funny...I like it!

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

From the interview below: "So, we’re all very, very frustrated, because it’s time that a woman is on our currency."

It was said by some in the 2016 e******n, "It’s time that a woman is President."
This is not r****m or misogyny. This is reality. It will happen. Just because She is a Woman, or He is a White Male, is not a good reason to v**e for someone. That is identity politics.
As far as Harriet Tubman being on our money, it was decided several years ago to make the change. (People have a right to change their mind, which, as far as I can tell, has not happened in this case.) We can always be suspicious of what motivates others. And that is all it is. The suspicion is not proof.


https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/30/trump_admins_move_to_delay_placing?utm_source=Democracy+Now%21&utm_campaign=4729a8e5f3-Daily_Digest_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fa2346a853-4729a8e5f3-191715297

Transcript
This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now! I’m Amy Goodman, with Nermeen Shaikh.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: The Trump administration is facing criticism after scuttling plans to replace President Andrew Jackson’s portrait on the $20 bill with abolitionist leader Harriet Tubman by 2020, the hundredth anniversary of women being granted the right to v**e. Massachusetts Democrat and freshman Congressmember Ayanna Pressley questioned Treasury Secretary Mnuchin last week.

REP. AYANNA PRESSLEY: Do you support Harriet Tubman being on the $20 bill?

TREASURY SECRETARY STEVEN MNUCHIN: I’ve made no decision as it relates to that, and that decision won’t be made, in, as I said—

REP. AYANNA PRESSLEY: But there was a community process.

TREASURY SECRETARY STEVEN MNUCHIN: —until most likely 2026.

AMY GOODMAN: We go now to Boston, where we’re joined by Kate Clifford Larson, the author of Bound for the Promised Land: Harriet Tubman, Portrait of an American Hero.

Talk about what the plan was, Kate Clifford Larson, for replacing Harriet Tubman, who Harriet Tubman is, and what’s happened.

KATE CLIFFORD LARSON: Well, in April of 2016, then-Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew announced that the $5, $10 and $20 notes would be redesigned to incorporate women into those designs onto our currency. And on the $20 note, he announced that Harriet Tubman would replace Andrew Jackson.

And, of course, we were all thrilled, because there had been a process. People had v**ed across the country. A group of women had gotten together and started Women on the 20 campaign. And overwhelmingly, Americans v**ed for Harriet Tubman to be the face of the $20 bill. And the design was started, and we were thrilled that the process was moving ahead.

And once President Trump was brought into office, and then the process seemed to slow down, and now this recent announcement from Secretary Mnuchin that that decision won’t be made now, it will be put off into the future. But, actually, the decision was made, and the process was started, and the design is available. So, we’re all very, very frustrated, because it’s time that a woman is on our currency.

AMY GOODMAN: And explain who Harriet Tubman is, her history, her life.

KATE CLIFFORD LARSON: Harriet Tubman is a remarkable human being and American hero. She was born ens***ed on the Eastern Shore of Maryland in 1822, had a horrific childhood of being separated from her family and hired out to other s***eholders. She was brutally beaten and neglected and starved. But she survived, and she grew up to be a remarkable, remarkable, strong, brilliant woman, who took her own liberty—she escaped from s***ery—and then she returned well over—you know, about 13 times to rescue her family and friends. I mean, nobody did that. It was so dangerous. And then, during the Civil War, she was a spy and a scout and a soldier. And so she brought her battle against s***ery to the South, and she helped win. And later in her life, she was a civil rights activist, an activist fighting for the right to v**e. She deserved to v**e, and it was denied her. She was a humanitarian and just a remarkable human being.

And her legacy lives on. I mean, people never forgot who she was. She was famous during her lifetime, and she’s even more famous today. And I think that people see in her what we, as Americans, hold so dearly. And that’s the fight for freedom, that we represent freedom to people around the world who are oppressed. She represents that in so many different ways. And it’s about time that our heroes are represented across g****r and race, not just white men, on our currency. We need to have women there, and Harriet Tubman is truly the best representation of that.

AMY GOODMAN: And she would be replacing Andrew Jackson, the president who President Trump has called his favorite. He was a s***eholder who, in 1830, signed the Indian Removal Act, which forced 16,000 Native Americans from their lands in what became known as the Trail of Tears. Your response?

KATE CLIFFORD LARSON: It’s very confusing that he would feel that Andrew Jackson deserved to be on the $20 bill, especially when we have an opportunity to have someone like Harriet Tubman, who actually fought for the freedom for all people, not to subjugate them and rip them from their homes. So, I do find it very telling about President Trump and his administration. I feel that the decision that they’ve made to put this on hold is rooted in misogyny and r****m.

AMY GOODMAN: Kate Clifford Larson, we’re going to do Part 2 and put it online at democracynow.org. Thanks so much for joining us. I’m Amy Goodman, with Nermeen Shaikh. Thanks for joining us.

{i am still looking for Part 2}


http://www.harriettubmanbiography.com/


Welcome to Bound For the Promised Land: Harriet Tubman, Portrait of an American Hero


Harriet Tubman is one of the giants of American history—a fearless visionary who led scores of her fellow s***es to freedom and battled courageously behind enemy lines during the Civil War. And during the century since her death, next to nothing was written about this extraordinary woman aside from juvenile biographies. In the early 2000s, several new scholarly biographies emerged, but even now, the t***h about Harriet Tubman is still mired inside a legend woven of racial and g****r stereotypes. Bound for the Promised Land: Harriet Tubman, Portrait of an American Hero gives Harriet Tubman the powerful, intimate, meticulously detailed life she deserves.

Drawing from a trove of new primary documents and untapped sources as well extensive genealogical research, Kate Clifford Larson reveals Tubman as a complex woman— brilliant, shrewd, deeply religious, and passionate in her pursuit of freedom. The descendant of the vibrant, matrilineal Asanti people of the West African Gold Coast, Tubman was born into s***ery on the Eastern Shore of Maryland but refused to spend her life in bondage. While still a young woman she embarked on a perilous journey of self-liberation—and then, having won her own freedom, she returned again and again to liberate much beloved family and friends, tapping into the Underground Railroad.

Yet despite her success, her celebrity, her close ties with Northern politicians and abolitionists, Tubman suffered crushing physical pain and emotional setbacks. Stripping away myths and misconceptions, Bound For the Promised Land presents stunning new details about Tubman’s accomplishments, personal life, and influence, including her relationship with Frederick Douglass, her involvement with John Brown’s raid on Harpers Ferry, and revelations about a young woman who may have been Tubman’s daughter. Here too are Tubman’s twilight years after the war, when she worked for Civil Rights and women’s suffrage, in spite of r****t politicians and suffragists who marginalized her contributions.

Harriet Tubman, her life and her work, remain an inspiration to all who value freedom. We must appreciate Tubman as a complete human being—an American hero, yes, but also a woman who loved, suffered, and sacrificed.

JediKnight

To my knowledge, Susan B. Anthony is the only woman honored on American currency....and we know that as great as she was....she isn't the only woman who has done great things. WHY must the pictures on our currency be men....I wonder who came up with that stupidity?

JediKnight

Okay then...2020 is right around the corner...we will soon see how this all plays out. My money says we won't see Harriet on any of the currency produced here in America....but who knows - I've been proven wrong many times before!

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Sacagawea on dollar coins in 2000. Why isn't my picture on U.S. currency? I've done great things!

JoyV

There was no one who decided that currency had to have men on it. Instead, the ideal was to honor our founders. No women were state representatives to the continental congress. None were presidents. Non were generals. No one purposely decided women couldn't be honored. But women's accomplishments at the time were usually counted as their husband's or father's accomplishments, except in a handful of cases. Dolly Madison's leadership in evacuating the White House and DC is the biggest I can think of off the top of my head. Now even though I don't hold Jackson in the esteem I hold the other figures on our currency, I would be opposed to the plan for the precedence. I would not be opposed to a new bill being created, a discontinued one, or one not commonly used which Harriet Tubman could be placed on. Susan B Anthony's short term coin was a dollar coin. There are currently a number of dollar coins. I would be all for there to be a Tubman dollar coin, another coin, or a bill. But not by taking away one of our former presidents or founders simply because they were white men or were s***eholders at a time when s***e holding was the norm. That is very similar to destroying statues of historical figures because they were white male s***e holders.