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May 18, 2019 08:44:32   #
Big dog
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Someone ought to drown his dumb son of a b***h. He rode this poor horse into deep water with a tie down. The tiedown didn't allow the horse to raise its head out of the water. There are some acceptable reasons for a tie down, professional ropers use them, however, I don't know exactly why.

I heard it gives the horse leverage, wh**ever that means. It could just be to keep the horse's head out of the way when throwing the rope.

Often, however, when one sees a tiedown on a trail horse, it usually means poor training with improper bridling causing the horse to get into the habit of tossing its head. The tie down is used to inhibit the head tossing. Or, the nitwit thinks it looks cool. While it doesn't show the end results, I suspect the horse is too far gone to have survived.

The jackass also did what one should never do: ride into the water not knowing the depth. We have gone to the Missouri Ozarks many times and spent a week trail riding. There are numerous river crossings, the rule of thumb while crossing the rivers there, is never ride into deep green colored water.

Anyone stupid enough to have pulled that stunt is a waste of oxygen. The poor horse!

https://www.facebook.com/indiancreekstables/videos/2910524378988530/UzpfSTE1MzY3NjE4MjU6MTAyMTkxMTc2MzA0MDE3NjM/?comme
Someone ought to drown his dumb son of a b***h. He... (show quote)


I started to watch but quickly shut it off. I don’t want to see that kind of cruel stupidity. It hurts.

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May 18, 2019 10:32:05   #
Hug
 
I AM GLAD THERE ARE SOME REAL HORSEMAN IN THIS OUTFIT. INDICATES SOME FOLKS HAVE HORSESENCE. I LIKE THAT.

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May 18, 2019 16:18:52   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
I don't care to watch this again, once was enough. However, I didn't get the impression anyone was laughing once the horse was struggling. Prior to the tragedy, when the guy first entered the water, probably there is laughter.

It did appear that once the guy swam out and placed the rope around it, he didn't attempt to release the tie down. However, once pulled to the river bank, it seemed he was holding the horses head out of the water.

I think one would have to know if these people knew the depth of the water prior to entering, before concluding it was the intention to drown the poor horse. However, the number of those standing around indicated, and that it was being filmed, something was up.

It could just be that they didn't think about the tiedown being a problem. Here's another possibility: while one doesn't see any other horses in the film, or at least I didn't, these people could have been on a ride when coming to this water crossing, and that a rope was available indicates something.

The show off being filmed is gonna test the possibility of getting to the other side. Still, If I recall correctly, the riverbank on the other side didn't seem like a place where one could smoothly exit the water. There are many questions about this horrible tragedy, we'll probably never know.

I had disturbing flashbacks throughout the day. I know how you feel. I can think of only one incident that I witnessed as a child that comes close to what that poor horse went through. I'll spare you the details, for I don't wanna ruin another day for you.


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I don't care to watch this again, once was enough.... (show quote)
Wh**ever the case may be, Richard, any horseman worthy of the name would know that a tie-down would endanger a horse's life in deep water. In all my days as a rider and cowboy, the only time I've ever seen a tiedown used is in rodeo events such as barrel racing.

We often used bitless hackamore bridles for free riding. And, since we were among Indians (Native Americans), we used their methods of bridling a horse. It's just a single cotton rope tied on the horse with a couple knots and with a single rein. All you had to do to turn your mount is pull the rope out away from his neck or press the rope against his neck. Basically it was a wild and free ride. Riding bareback with one of those rope bridles was exhilarating, for both horse and rider. Here is one way it's done

BTW: I told my sister (she's a cowgirl) about this incident. I cannot repeat her response.

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May 18, 2019 17:33:45   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Wh**ever the case may be, Richard, any horseman worthy of the name would know that a tie-down would endanger a horse's life in deep water. In all my days as a rider and cowboy, the only time I've ever seen a tiedown used is in rodeo events such as barrel racing.

We often used bitless hackamore bridles for free riding. And, since we were among Indians (Native Americans), we used their methods of bridling a horse. It's just a single cotton rope tied on the horse with a couple knots and with a single rein. All you had to do to turn your mount is pull the rope out away from his neck or press the rope against his neck. Basically it was a wild and free ride. Riding bareback with one of those rope bridles was exhilarating, for both horse and rider. Here is one way it's done

BTW: I told my sister (she's a cowgirl) about this incident. I cannot repeat her response.
Wh**ever the case may be, Richard, any horseman wo... (show quote)


My daughter's horse wore a tie down when barrel racing, and when I used her to move cattle off of open wheat pasture. That was it. It seemed to help keep her focused, and her head in the game.
Her son is out in my pasture now, and, basically that's how I trained him from a young colt. He's never had a bit in his mouth.

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May 18, 2019 18:27:04   #
Richard Rowland
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Wh**ever the case may be, Richard, any horseman worthy of the name would know that a tie-down would endanger a horse's life in deep water. In all my days as a rider and cowboy, the only time I've ever seen a tiedown used is in rodeo events such as barrel racing.

We often used bitless hackamore bridles for free riding. And, since we were among Indians (Native Americans), we used their methods of bridling a horse. It's just a single cotton rope tied on the horse with a couple knots and with a single rein. All you had to do to turn your mount is pull the rope out away from his neck or press the rope against his neck. Basically it was a wild and free ride. Riding bareback with one of those rope bridles was exhilarating, for both horse and rider. Here is one way it's done

BTW: I told my sister (she's a cowgirl) about this incident. I cannot repeat her response.
Wh**ever the case may be, Richard, any horseman wo... (show quote)


While I use a bit, however, the chin strap is always loose so as not to but a lot of pressure on the jaw bars. I really like the bosal look, but I've never had confidence in my ability to fit a horse up properly with one. While it looks simple enough, there's an art to fitting it correctly.

Still, it's the use of the hands that makes the difference, regardless of the method used for control.

Good for your sister, Cowgirls are the best girls.

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May 18, 2019 18:31:13   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
archie bunker wrote:
My daughter's horse wore a tie down when barrel racing, and when I used her to move cattle off of open wheat pasture. That was it. It seemed to help keep her focused, and her head in the game.
Her son is out in my pasture now, and, basically that's how I trained him from a young colt. He's never had a bit in his mouth.
Good for you, arch. We only used bitted bridles on the horses the kids would ride.

Some Indians I knew trained young horses to ride without any trappings at all--no saddle, no bridle, no ropes. They could control the pony by just tapping his flank with a knee and pulling on his mane. They'd pull the mane left, tap a knee on the horse's right flank and the horse would turn left. To stop him, they'd pull back on the mane and throw their legs forward to tap their heels on the horse's front shoulders. Of course, they were a hell of a lot better riders than I, they had the concept of being one with the animal down pat.

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May 18, 2019 18:44:32   #
Richard Rowland
 


This is a sick business. I've said this before, I'll say it again, there isn't an animal or plant that wouldn't be better off if humans didn't exist.

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May 18, 2019 18:55:36   #
Hug
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
This is a sick business. I've said this before, I'll say it again, there isn't an animal or plant that wouldn't be better off if humans didn't exist.


You could be right, but I have handled several wild mustangs that had a very good life and lived a lot longer than they would have lived if left in the wilds. I have two now that run around on the ranch being pasture ornaments and they have to be very happy. I have known horses that were not happy unless they were around people and being used. I think it all depends on the horse and the owner and how the horse is being treated.

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May 18, 2019 21:36:58   #
Rose42
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
This is a sick business. I've said this before, I'll say it again, there isn't an animal or plant that wouldn't be better off if humans didn't exist.


Why would you say that? Every animal I’ve had would disagree with you.

I find that trend of thought very disturbing.

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May 18, 2019 21:40:07   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Hug wrote:
You could be right, but I have handled several wild mustangs that had a very good life and lived a lot longer than they would have lived if left in the wilds. I have two now that run around on the ranch being pasture ornaments and they have to be very happy. I have known horses that were not happy unless they were around people and being used. I think it all depends on the horse and the owner and how the horse is being treated.


I used to work with a guy who did nothing but train horses. By work with, I mean that I was the one who taught them to stand for hoof work with his help, of course.
He loved working with mustangs because they have no pre conceived notions. It's starting with a clean slate, and developing a relationship with the horse. That guy sure helped educate me about the mind of a horse.
I truly miss those days, but life goes on....

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May 18, 2019 21:55:38   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
Why would you say that? Every animal I’ve had would disagree with you.

I find that trend of thought very disturbing.


Rose, that's a point that can't be argued. In my opinion, of course. Nature is a brutal thing.

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May 18, 2019 22:01:58   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Rose42 wrote:
Why would you say that? Every animal I’ve had would disagree with you.

I find that trend of thought very disturbing.


Rose, if you look at National Geographic article.
Possibly why he feels that way.

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May 18, 2019 23:19:14   #
Richard Rowland
 
Rose42 wrote:
Why would you say that? Every animal I’ve had would disagree with you.

I find that trend of thought very disturbing.


All you have to do, rose, is think about it for a while. I'm not talking about pets, I'm referring to the animals who have ceased to exist because their habit has been destroyed or the millions of flora and fauna that's predicted to become extinct in the next few years.

I realize that nature is sometimes responsible for a species becoming extinct, but nothing like what the advancement of man has caused. Try not to read to much into my comment, it's just a realistic observation. I'm not plotting in my basement to destroy mankind.

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May 19, 2019 12:42:08   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
All you have to do, rose, is think about it for a while. I'm not talking about pets, I'm referring to the animals who have ceased to exist because their habit has been destroyed or the millions of flora and fauna that's predicted to become extinct in the next few years.

I realize that nature is sometimes responsible for a species becoming extinct, but nothing like what the advancement of man has caused. Try not to read to much into my comment, it's just a realistic observation. I'm not plotting in my basement to destroy mankind.
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Tough women:
Zimbabwe’s female rangers are better at stopping poaching:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/06/akashinga-women-rangers-fight-poaching-in-zimbabwe-phundundu-wildlife-area/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=crm-email::src=ngp::cmp=editorial::add=sunstills_20190519::rid=23324294535

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May 19, 2019 12:57:20   #
Richard Rowland
 


Great article, American. Hopefully, it will slow the tide of poaching. However, I suspect that at some point most exotic wild animals will be hunted to extinction. One may still be able to see them in a zoo, but sooner or later that too may not be possible.

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