Alabama a******n law (2 parts)
May 16, 2019 15:35:46 #
BigMike wrote:
I had no idea you were pro death penalty. 
I'm not, but if it isn't good to k**l a fetus as the result of a rape, why is it okay to not k**l a rapist?
May 16, 2019 16:01:27 #
dtucker300
Loc: Vista, CA
PeterS wrote:
The law is irrelevant. It's designed to provoke RvW and it won't make it out of the lower courts to be challenged in SCOTUS. Nice try but the upper court still has no taste for an issue that a majority of the population has no desire to change.
"The law is Irrelevant" Nice Try!
May 16, 2019 17:02:20 #
dtucker300
Loc: Vista, CA
Sew_What wrote:
Well, the state should make rape, an executable offense.
But at least they're not Mississippi.
May 18, 2019 03:12:30 #
Sew_What wrote:
I'm not, but if it isn't good to k**l a fetus as the result of a rape, why is it okay to not k**l a rapist?
Sure you are! You just said so.
Hey! Why not just k**l everyone?
May 20, 2019 09:20:11 #
BigMike wrote:
Sure you are! You just said so.
Hey! Why not just k**l everyone?
Hey! Why not just k**l everyone?
The Geneva Convention says it okay, right?
May 25, 2019 19:22:06 #
dtucker300
Loc: Vista, CA
https://www.liveaction.org/news/debunking-9-myths-alabama-a******n-law/
ANALYSIS Debunking 9 myths surrounding Alabama’s a******n law
By Carole Novielli | May 16, 2019 , 04:27pm pro-life activist, Alabama
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Hailed as one of the “strongest pro-life laws in the country,” Alabama Governor Kay Ivey signed the “Human Life Protection Act” into law on Wednesday, making a******n and attempted a******n felony offenses in the state. The bill will not hold women who have a******ns criminally or civilly responsible, and there is an exception in the bill to allow a******n “to prevent a serious health risk” to the woman, though many doctors agree that a******n is never actually medically necessary.
Pro-a******n activists’ claims surrounding Alabama’s pro-life bill are a continuation of the misinformation being spread around pro-life bills passed recently in several states. Live Action News recently debunked myths surrounding Georgia’s Heartbeat Bill. Here we will decipher between fact or fiction regarding Alabama’s recently passed Human Life Protection Act.
Live Action News previously covered that the Alabama bill:
“make[s] a******n and attempted a******n felony offenses except in cases where a******n is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk to the unborn child’s mother.”
“would provide that a woman who receives an a******n will not be held criminally culpable or civilly liable for receiving the a******n.” Only the doctor committing the a******n would be held criminally liable.”
Let’s address a few myths pro-a******n activists are spreading.
CLAIM: Women will be criminally prosecuted for a******ns.
FALSE. The bill clearly states that women will not be held criminally liable.
“Relating to a******n… to provide that a woman who receives an a******n will not be held criminally culpable or civilly liable for receiving the a******n….”
Section 5 states, “No woman upon whom an a******n is performed or attempted to be performed shall be criminally or civilly liable….”
CLAIM: Women who miscarry will be punished.
FALSE: A******n is NOT a miscarriage. A******n is the intentional k*****g of a preborn child. Miscarriage occurs naturally. A******n is clearly defined in the bill as, “The use or prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance or device with the intent to terminate the pregnancy of a woman known to be pregnant with knowledge that the termination by those means will with reasonable likelihood cause the death of the unborn child.”
The bill states clearly: “The term [a******n] does not include:
activities done with intent to save the life or preserve health of an unborn child.
remove dead unborn child.
deliver unborn child prematurely to avoid serious health risk to unborn child’s mother, or preserve health of unborn child.
a procedure or act to terminate the pregnancy of a woman with an ectopic pregnancy,
the procedure or act to terminate the pregnancy of a woman when the unborn child has a lethal anomaly.
Alabama is not trying to penalize women who miscarry. Let’s be intellectually honest and fair to the drafters of the bill. The bill clearly defines a******n as the intentional k*****g of a preborn child. That is very different than a spontaneous miscarriage, in which a baby, unfortunately, passes away naturally.
CLAIM: The Alabama law does not allow for any exceptions.
FALSE: The bill states, “An a******n shall be permitted if an attending physician licensed in Alabama determines that an a******n is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk to the unborn child’s mother. Except in the case of a medical emergency as defined herein, the physician’s determination shall be confirmed in writing by a second physician licensed in Alabama….”
The bill, however, does not permit a******n for rape or incest. Statistics show that only a very small fraction of a******ns are committed for rape, incest, or mother’s health. U.S. law is intended to punish the criminal — in this case, the rapist — not the victims, which are in this case the baby and mother.
CLAIM: Pro-lifers want to punish children who are victims of rape/incest.
FALSE: The pro-life community seeks support, e******y, and protection for both the mother and child. But abuse does not justify a******n. The guilty party in a sexual assault case is the rapist, who should be punished as severely as the law permits. Rapists, however, don’t face the death penalty — so why should an innocent child be sentenced to death for the crimes of his father?
With this Alabama law, children conceived in unfortunate circumstances will be legally protected by law and given a chance at life. A******n does not undo rape. Adding the violence of a******n on top of sexual assault only further inflicts violence upon an innocent woman. Every person’s humanity is determined not by how wanted he or she is, or the circumstances surrounding his or her conception, but by the fact that he or she is a human being.
Live Action and Live Action News have documented how a******n is used to perpetuate rape.
Pregnant teens or pre-teens are a red f**g for possible sexual abuse.
Rapists take victims to a******n facilities to cover crime.
Planned Parenthood and a******n providers often fail to report suspicion of abuse in violation of law and requirements to receive federal tax dollars under Title X.
Majority of sex trafficked women may be forced to abort.
Even when victims tell Planned Parenthood they were raped, court records show they were returned to their rapists.
Hollywood, pro-a******n media, and a******n-supportive politicians fail to call out Planned Parenthood.
Last year, Live Action News reported how an a******n facility in Alabama failed to report a******ns committed on an underage girl.
CLAIM: Men are leading the way to ban a******n
FALSE: This bill, HB314, was sponsored by a female lawmaker, Representative Terri Collins, and was signed into law by female Governor Kay Ivey.
Pro-life organizations are led by women.
The Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, on the other hand, was imposed by all men.
In fact, the decriminalization of a******n was led by men. Live Action News previously detailed eight ways pro-a******n men pushed a******n in the days leading up to Roe.
CLAIM: Doctors would receive 99 years in prison if convicted under this new law.
FALSE: As with any felony, the law provides a range of punishment options. According to local media, “Under the law, performing an a******n would be considered a Class A felony, which carries a sentence of life or 10 to 99 years in prison.”
Section 7: “This act shall not apply to a physician… performing a termination of a pregnancy or assisting in performing a termination of a pregnancy due to a medical emergency….”
A legal site explains how the state organizes felonies: “The state of Alabama organizes felony crimes into three levels: Class A, Class B, and Class C felonies. Class A felonies include crimes that are considered the most serious, while Class B and Class C crimes are less serious…Every felony offense in Alabama is punishable by at least one year and one day in a state prison. Depending on the circumstances of the crime and its severity level, a felony conviction can result in a wide range of sentences.”
Class A. No less than 10 years and no more than life or 99 years.
Class B. No less than two years and no more than 20 years.
Class C. No less than one year and one day and no more than 10 years.
CLAIM: Thousands of women will die from back-alley a******ns.
FALSE: These false claims date before Roe and have been debunked numerous times. Read how the numbers were flawed at Live Action News here and here.
Video debunking Planned Parenthood president Leana Wen’s claim on this below:
CLAIM: The Constitution grants a “right” to a******n.
FALSE: The so-called ‘right to a******n’ was never mentioned in the Constitution. Supreme Court Justices pulled the “right” from the Fourteenth Amendment, known for giving citizenship and equal rights under the law to former s***es and African Americans. However, it is the belief of many legal scholars that this right should also apply to the preborn, as Live Action News contributor Kristi Burton Brown previously documented.
CLAIM: Roe v. Wade is settled law.
FALSE: While some consider it “settled,” settled law can be — and has been — overturned. Roe v. Wade is bad law and should be reconsidered. R****m and segregation used to be “the law of the land.” Just because something is legal does not make it moral. In Dred Scott v, Sandford, the Supreme Court ruled Black people were not citizens. That was overturned by the 14th Amendment. In Plessy v. Ferguson, SCOTUS ruled in favor of segregation and 60 years later, Brown v. Board rightfully overturned it. Roe v. Wade and its companion case, Doe v. Bolton, legalized a******n through all nine months for any reason. Lawmakers across the country are responding accordingly to constituents and realizing how extreme our nation’s a******n laws truly are.
Pro-a******n scare tactics need to end. Facts matter.
“Like” Live Action News on Facebook for more pro-life news and commentary!
ANALYSIS Debunking 9 myths surrounding Alabama’s a******n law
By Carole Novielli | May 16, 2019 , 04:27pm pro-life activist, Alabama
FacebookTwitterMore61.3K
Hailed as one of the “strongest pro-life laws in the country,” Alabama Governor Kay Ivey signed the “Human Life Protection Act” into law on Wednesday, making a******n and attempted a******n felony offenses in the state. The bill will not hold women who have a******ns criminally or civilly responsible, and there is an exception in the bill to allow a******n “to prevent a serious health risk” to the woman, though many doctors agree that a******n is never actually medically necessary.
Pro-a******n activists’ claims surrounding Alabama’s pro-life bill are a continuation of the misinformation being spread around pro-life bills passed recently in several states. Live Action News recently debunked myths surrounding Georgia’s Heartbeat Bill. Here we will decipher between fact or fiction regarding Alabama’s recently passed Human Life Protection Act.
Live Action News previously covered that the Alabama bill:
“make[s] a******n and attempted a******n felony offenses except in cases where a******n is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk to the unborn child’s mother.”
“would provide that a woman who receives an a******n will not be held criminally culpable or civilly liable for receiving the a******n.” Only the doctor committing the a******n would be held criminally liable.”
Let’s address a few myths pro-a******n activists are spreading.
CLAIM: Women will be criminally prosecuted for a******ns.
FALSE. The bill clearly states that women will not be held criminally liable.
“Relating to a******n… to provide that a woman who receives an a******n will not be held criminally culpable or civilly liable for receiving the a******n….”
Section 5 states, “No woman upon whom an a******n is performed or attempted to be performed shall be criminally or civilly liable….”
CLAIM: Women who miscarry will be punished.
FALSE: A******n is NOT a miscarriage. A******n is the intentional k*****g of a preborn child. Miscarriage occurs naturally. A******n is clearly defined in the bill as, “The use or prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance or device with the intent to terminate the pregnancy of a woman known to be pregnant with knowledge that the termination by those means will with reasonable likelihood cause the death of the unborn child.”
The bill states clearly: “The term [a******n] does not include:
activities done with intent to save the life or preserve health of an unborn child.
remove dead unborn child.
deliver unborn child prematurely to avoid serious health risk to unborn child’s mother, or preserve health of unborn child.
a procedure or act to terminate the pregnancy of a woman with an ectopic pregnancy,
the procedure or act to terminate the pregnancy of a woman when the unborn child has a lethal anomaly.
Alabama is not trying to penalize women who miscarry. Let’s be intellectually honest and fair to the drafters of the bill. The bill clearly defines a******n as the intentional k*****g of a preborn child. That is very different than a spontaneous miscarriage, in which a baby, unfortunately, passes away naturally.
CLAIM: The Alabama law does not allow for any exceptions.
FALSE: The bill states, “An a******n shall be permitted if an attending physician licensed in Alabama determines that an a******n is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk to the unborn child’s mother. Except in the case of a medical emergency as defined herein, the physician’s determination shall be confirmed in writing by a second physician licensed in Alabama….”
The bill, however, does not permit a******n for rape or incest. Statistics show that only a very small fraction of a******ns are committed for rape, incest, or mother’s health. U.S. law is intended to punish the criminal — in this case, the rapist — not the victims, which are in this case the baby and mother.
CLAIM: Pro-lifers want to punish children who are victims of rape/incest.
FALSE: The pro-life community seeks support, e******y, and protection for both the mother and child. But abuse does not justify a******n. The guilty party in a sexual assault case is the rapist, who should be punished as severely as the law permits. Rapists, however, don’t face the death penalty — so why should an innocent child be sentenced to death for the crimes of his father?
With this Alabama law, children conceived in unfortunate circumstances will be legally protected by law and given a chance at life. A******n does not undo rape. Adding the violence of a******n on top of sexual assault only further inflicts violence upon an innocent woman. Every person’s humanity is determined not by how wanted he or she is, or the circumstances surrounding his or her conception, but by the fact that he or she is a human being.
Live Action and Live Action News have documented how a******n is used to perpetuate rape.
Pregnant teens or pre-teens are a red f**g for possible sexual abuse.
Rapists take victims to a******n facilities to cover crime.
Planned Parenthood and a******n providers often fail to report suspicion of abuse in violation of law and requirements to receive federal tax dollars under Title X.
Majority of sex trafficked women may be forced to abort.
Even when victims tell Planned Parenthood they were raped, court records show they were returned to their rapists.
Hollywood, pro-a******n media, and a******n-supportive politicians fail to call out Planned Parenthood.
Last year, Live Action News reported how an a******n facility in Alabama failed to report a******ns committed on an underage girl.
CLAIM: Men are leading the way to ban a******n
FALSE: This bill, HB314, was sponsored by a female lawmaker, Representative Terri Collins, and was signed into law by female Governor Kay Ivey.
Pro-life organizations are led by women.
The Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, on the other hand, was imposed by all men.
In fact, the decriminalization of a******n was led by men. Live Action News previously detailed eight ways pro-a******n men pushed a******n in the days leading up to Roe.
CLAIM: Doctors would receive 99 years in prison if convicted under this new law.
FALSE: As with any felony, the law provides a range of punishment options. According to local media, “Under the law, performing an a******n would be considered a Class A felony, which carries a sentence of life or 10 to 99 years in prison.”
Section 7: “This act shall not apply to a physician… performing a termination of a pregnancy or assisting in performing a termination of a pregnancy due to a medical emergency….”
A legal site explains how the state organizes felonies: “The state of Alabama organizes felony crimes into three levels: Class A, Class B, and Class C felonies. Class A felonies include crimes that are considered the most serious, while Class B and Class C crimes are less serious…Every felony offense in Alabama is punishable by at least one year and one day in a state prison. Depending on the circumstances of the crime and its severity level, a felony conviction can result in a wide range of sentences.”
Class A. No less than 10 years and no more than life or 99 years.
Class B. No less than two years and no more than 20 years.
Class C. No less than one year and one day and no more than 10 years.
CLAIM: Thousands of women will die from back-alley a******ns.
FALSE: These false claims date before Roe and have been debunked numerous times. Read how the numbers were flawed at Live Action News here and here.
Video debunking Planned Parenthood president Leana Wen’s claim on this below:
CLAIM: The Constitution grants a “right” to a******n.
FALSE: The so-called ‘right to a******n’ was never mentioned in the Constitution. Supreme Court Justices pulled the “right” from the Fourteenth Amendment, known for giving citizenship and equal rights under the law to former s***es and African Americans. However, it is the belief of many legal scholars that this right should also apply to the preborn, as Live Action News contributor Kristi Burton Brown previously documented.
CLAIM: Roe v. Wade is settled law.
FALSE: While some consider it “settled,” settled law can be — and has been — overturned. Roe v. Wade is bad law and should be reconsidered. R****m and segregation used to be “the law of the land.” Just because something is legal does not make it moral. In Dred Scott v, Sandford, the Supreme Court ruled Black people were not citizens. That was overturned by the 14th Amendment. In Plessy v. Ferguson, SCOTUS ruled in favor of segregation and 60 years later, Brown v. Board rightfully overturned it. Roe v. Wade and its companion case, Doe v. Bolton, legalized a******n through all nine months for any reason. Lawmakers across the country are responding accordingly to constituents and realizing how extreme our nation’s a******n laws truly are.
Pro-a******n scare tactics need to end. Facts matter.
“Like” Live Action News on Facebook for more pro-life news and commentary!
May 26, 2019 07:48:11 #
dtucker300 wrote:
https://www.liveaction.org/news/debunking-9-myths-alabama-a******n-law/
ANALYSIS Debunking 9 myths surrounding Alabama’s a******n law
By Carole Novielli | May 16, 2019 , 04:27pm pro-life activist, Alabama
FacebookTwitterMore61.3K
Pro-a******n scare tactics need to end. Facts matter.
“Like” Live Action News on Facebook for more pro-life news and commentary!
ANALYSIS Debunking 9 myths surrounding Alabama’s a******n law
By Carole Novielli | May 16, 2019 , 04:27pm pro-life activist, Alabama
FacebookTwitterMore61.3K
Pro-a******n scare tactics need to end. Facts matter.
“Like” Live Action News on Facebook for more pro-life news and commentary!
Well, here is a myth that can't be debunked:
The federal supreme court has declared a******n legal. If states want to dance around the fact that we are biological creatures that are subject to real problems and boxing women into "no size" fits anyone law is pretty i***tic.
I'm going to have a "pre-chicken" for breakfast because my state thinks that fertilized chicken are not chickens. I'm "all in" on birth control for chickens.
May 26, 2019 14:16:31 #
dtucker300
Loc: Vista, CA
Sew_What wrote:
Well, here is a myth that can't be debunked:
The federal supreme court has declared a******n legal. If states want to dance around the fact that we are biological creatures that are subject to real problems and boxing women into "no size" fits anyone law is pretty i***tic.
I'm going to have a "pre-chicken" for breakfast because my state thinks that fertilized chicken are not chickens. I'm "all in" on birth control for chickens.
The federal supreme court has declared a******n legal. If states want to dance around the fact that we are biological creatures that are subject to real problems and boxing women into "no size" fits anyone law is pretty i***tic.
I'm going to have a "pre-chicken" for breakfast because my state thinks that fertilized chicken are not chickens. I'm "all in" on birth control for chickens.
The Coneheads gave out Chicken embryos and massive quantities of beer for Halloween.
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