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Alabama A******n law...Is it too extreme???
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May 16, 2019 11:58:59   #
kemmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
It's called the United States of America.

So in your view, states have the right to ignore national laws if they find them inconvenient?

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May 16, 2019 12:44:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
kemmer wrote:
So in your view, states have the right to ignore national laws if they find them inconvenient?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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May 16, 2019 13:03:48   #
kemmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I bet you have a Confederate f**g on your beat-up F-150, right?

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May 16, 2019 13:08:48   #
kemmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Har har... Piece in The Onion;
“Woman walking alone at night speeds up after seeing a truck full of Alabama lawmakers slowly following her”.

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May 16, 2019 15:33:14   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
proud republican wrote:
I think this law is going to be thrown out in Supreme Court...


but it will be the courts ruling that will allow the appeal that eventually will end Roe vs Wade. Why, because there is no way Right to Privacy can give a government the right to say you have a right to k**l another person, even if it is a baby in your womb.

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May 16, 2019 16:21:34   #
woodguru
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:


In my opinion perhaps more rape victims would find closure if we more appropriately punished rapists....

Execution... With prejudice...


How do you feel about statutory rape...especially the family variety? I truly think people would be appalled if they knew how often in terms of how many families have that skeleton in their closet, the family knows full well and it is family policy not to air the dirty linen. I doubt there is a single person who doesn't know of someone who has family statutory rape in the closet where nothing was done. I personally know of several friend's families that have talked about that and it was taken to the degree where an a******n made it go away. I know of several instances where it was supported by the spouse of the rapist in a way that the mother should be in prison too.

When a fifteen year old girl is raped by a step father, goes to their mother to tell her, and has the mother physically or mentally assault her by blaming it on something she did that enticed the rape, that woman should be in prison too. I've known of several cases of that, and it had it's effect on the girls in a way that changed their lives...it made them different.

I do have to admit that the defense is often one of not destroying a family, the guy is the bread winner so jail destroys the family. There are other things such as chemical castration, take away the desire and ability to have sex at all.

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May 16, 2019 16:27:56   #
woodguru
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So you would sink to the level of the "monster" himself to exact punishment on him. OK, if that is your intention, why stop with just one? You're going to be a very busy woman.

On average, there are 321,500 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year in the United States, 15% (48,225) of whom are in the 12 to 17 age group.

Like I said, PR, the problem is embedded deeply in the ills of our society and culture. Secularism and moral relativism have nearly destroyed our country's moral compass. Our founders would be appalled. We need a healing as a nation, and that will never come from a heart filled with vengeance.
So you would sink to the level of the "monste... (show quote)


Nor will it come from a culture of forgiveness, tried that, it doesn't work.

Interesting that many religiously oriented people see the church and it's morals as salvation, but the church happens to be a hot bed of a high number of moral sex related crimes such as statutory rape. "He's such a righteously god fearing man" and "but he does so much good" has been the basis of a lot of letting a guy off the hook.

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May 16, 2019 17:20:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
kemmer wrote:
I bet you have a Confederate f**g on your beat-up F-150, right?


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, 10th Amendment.

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May 16, 2019 17:29:44   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Nor will it come from a culture of forgiveness, tried that, it doesn't work.

Interesting that many religiously oriented people see the church and it's morals as salvation, but the church happens to be a hot bed of a high number of moral sex related crimes such as statutory rape. "He's such a righteously god fearing man" and "but he does so much good" has been the basis of a lot of letting a guy off the hook.
I am not a member of an established church. The One True Church is not a building with fancy windows and a steeple where people go to listen to sermons and sing and say prayers.

In any case, your allegation that churches are hot beds of "a high number of moral sex related crimes such as statutory rape" is ignorant hyperbole. Freaking drama queen.

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May 16, 2019 20:11:51   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
proud republican wrote:
If it passes it would be the strictest a******n law in United States history...I'm pro-life,used to be pro- choice in the past until i actually saw a******n performed...However i dont agree with some aspects of this law...It prohibits an a******n if a woman was raped or in case of incest...I dont agree with that at all...I'm sorry,if i was raped i dont want and i dont think i should be forced to carry this baby under my heart for 9 months,when every single minute it will remind me how it got there...And another thing...Imprison Docs for 99 yrs its an overk**l in my opinion...I want to hear your opinions...Please,lets be civil...
If it passes it would be the strictest a******n la... (show quote)

Extreme? Yes, it is. The real question should be why is it seen as being necessary? How did it come to this? That's the root of the 'extreme'. By the way, the penalty for infanticide is death, so they're getting off light at 99 years.

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May 16, 2019 20:40:39   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Extreme? Yes, it is. The real question should be why is it seen as being necessary? How did it come to this? That's the root of the 'extreme'. By the way, the penalty for infanticide is death, so they're getting off light at 99 years.


I really donot want to be a part of putting any BABY to DEATH To never allow this GIFT from GOD to be allowed his/her chance of making life here on earth better is Travesty against HUMANITY. The fact that the MAJORITY of these never to be allowed to see the LIGHT OF DAY are BLACK INFANTS, and their parents only represent 10% of this Nations population. This looks like a obvious action to limit their reproduction to gradually eliminate our sin by removing it from our SIGHT.

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May 17, 2019 03:00:31   #
John King
 
proud republican wrote:
So you would let a 12 year old who was molested by her POS father, you would make her carry a baby for 9 months??? Really you would do that???


I didn't speak about a 12 year old incest victim . . . and I'm not saying it doesn't happen! I wouldn't force by law . . . but I would plead for the life of the unborn and request the child be born and placed for adoption.

What is not being addressed is the life of the unborn! We have no idea what kind of person the unborn child will grow up to be . . . they could be another Einstein or another Leonardo da Vinci or Beethoven . . . we have no idea the genius that is destroyed in an a******n . . . regardless of how the child was conceived!

No, I would not force a 12 year old incest victim to carry for 9 months by law or personally . . . but I would definitely plead for the life of the unborn in every case!!!

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May 17, 2019 05:55:09   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Roe v Wade was never legislated and passed into law; how it became a law is entirely unconstitutional. When something as controversial as a******n has become politicized and industrialized to the extreme (infanticide), if there is any hope to stop this insanity, countering it must also be extreme. You don't fight a raging bloodthirsty beast with a feather duster. I applaud the courage of the Alabama legislature and governor for striking back hard. It is about time that American politicians and the people awaken again to the concept of Federalism as our founders intended.

As I understand it, you are not a religious person, but a******n is a moral issue, not a political one. I'm sorry, PR, regardless of who is the father, a baby in the womb is not the mother's possession to do with as she wishes. All life is sacred. Every baby born has great potential, and to destroy that life for selfish reasons is abhorrent. An a******n should be limited to pregnancies that threaten the mother's life. As it is now, a******ns are performed for just about any excuse rather than a good reason.

Regarding the Alabama law, in criminalizing the indiscriminate k*****g of the unborn, it has fired the first shot in the war against mass slaughter of the most innocent and defenseless of human beings. There is no doubt that this will go all the way to the Supreme Court. And there may be other states involved.

In any case, I urge everyone to dispense with overreacting to this and instead look at this as a step in the right direction.
Roe v Wade was never legislated and passed into la... (show quote)


I have to agree with you Blade Runner. It would be difficult for anyone who was raped to carry a child that was not wanted by rape, no matter what age, but God still created that life. If that child is not wanted after birth, give it up for adoption. I believe a******n is nothing but an easy way to get rid of a child. I believe this will be headed to the Supreme Court, and who knows how they will respond! It is very sad that so many a******ns are happening now. It has become too easy, like taking an aspirin. Moral values flushed down the toilet, very sad, indeed!

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May 17, 2019 06:40:26   #
John King
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
I have to agree with you Blade Runner. It would be difficult for anyone who was raped to carry a child that was not wanted by rape, no matter what age, but God still created that life. If that child is not wanted after birth, give it up for adoption. I believe a******n is nothing but an easy way to get rid of a child. I believe this will be headed to the Supreme Court, and who knows how they will respond! It is very sad that so many a******ns are happening now. It has become too easy, like taking an aspirin. Moral values flushed down the toilet, very sad, indeed!
I have to agree with you Blade Runner. It would be... (show quote)


Agreed! A******n should be harder than buying a gun! A******n should hold the stigma of shame . . . and I wouldn't doubt if it does anyway! My sister had an a******n and was never the same. Even after years, she still feels she did something wrong . . . and, what's worst is she couldn't get pregnant after the a******n! The a******n literally took her ability to be a mother of her own child!!!

A******n may be the most amoral act on the face of the earth . . . I hope Roe v Wade is overturned as soon as possible!!!

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May 17, 2019 06:55:29   #
John King
 
woodguru wrote:
Nor will it come from a culture of forgiveness, tried that, it doesn't work.

Interesting that many religiously oriented people see the church and it's morals as salvation, but the church happens to be a hot bed of a high number of moral sex related crimes such as statutory rape. "He's such a righteously god fearing man" and "but he does so much good" has been the basis of a lot of letting a guy off the hook.


What is a moral sex related crime? Is not a sex related crime an immoral act to begin with? And where does a culture of forgiveness exist but in the Christian belief system? The Constitution plainly states that it will not establish any religion what-so-ever . . . so where do you see any real culture of forgiveness other than the church? It is not a standard that society keeps!

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