Watergate and the Trump Russian Collusion thingy: What was Watergate ? It was the spying on a political party by the party in the White House. Nixon did not order it or know about it.

son of witless

What was Watergate ? It was the spying on a political party by the party in the White House. Nixon did not order it or know about it. He was thrown out of office for trying to cover it up to protect his loyal employees.

So how is that similar to the Trump Russia Collusion affair. Well actually there are startling similarities. A ruling party wanted to spy on the other party's P**********l campaign. Instead of breaking into the head quarters of the Trump Campaign, government officials launched an investigation and got FISA warrants to spy on the Trumpers. It is possible that like Nixon, Obama knew nothing about it. It may have been simply Rogue Swampers.

Carol Kelly

son of witless wrote:

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But to answer your question, that was innocense personified compared to this debacle.
That is exactly what Watergate was and Nixon’s only crime was just that...protecting his loyal employees who were dreadfully misguided. We went to England while that was happening and the English loved Nixon, couldn’t understand what we were doing.
One of the reporters who blew the thing out of proportion was the son of the Rosenbergs. He was adopted and therefore had a new name. Strange events?

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

son of witless wrote:

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Very hard to believe. According to dbltap's post yesterday which had a link to an interview. Certain tools and procedures can only be used or overridden by the president. If accurate, Obama had to be involved.

son of witless

Carol Kelly wrote:

But to answer your question, that was innocense personified compared to this debacle.
That is exactly what Watergate was and Nixon’s only crime was just that...protecting his loyal employees who were dreadfully misguided. We went to England while that was happening and the English loved Nixon, couldn’t understand what we were doing.
One of the reporters who blew the thing out of proportion was the son of the Rosenbergs. He was adopted and therefore had a new name. Strange events?

I find that fascinating. I remember how h**ed Nixon was. I am reading two books right now The Russians, and The New Russians. Both from the same author about the Soviets in the 1970s, then the second book towards the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Anyway the Author describes the feelings of Russians toward Nixon and Watergate. The Russians were mystified. What was the big deal ? They could not understand what the big fuss was. They liked Nixon and saw it as they would if it were a power struggle in their own country. They basically thought that some other powerful leader was trying to over throw Nixon and the charges were false and only for window dressing. They never thought that Nixon would be put out of power.

PeterS

son of witless wrote:

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The only similarities are that both presidents did everything they could to obstruct justice. When you take an oath to protect and defend the constitution the rule of law 'trumps' sticking up for your best buds...

son of witless

PeterS wrote:

The only similarities are that both presidents did everything they could to obstruct justice. When you take an oath to protect and defend the constitution the rule of law 'trumps' sticking up for your best buds...

I object, I object. Trump did not obstruct. He also is allowed to defend himself against witch h****rs. Trump is not a witch. He beat the most powerful one in the last P**********l E******n.

Carol Kelly

PeterS wrote:

The only similarities are that both presidents did everything they could to obstruct justice. When you take an oath to protect and defend the constitution the rule of law 'trumps' sticking up for your best buds...

Sometimes a big man gives in to emotion, thank goodness. Humanity is a glorious thing. It was misplaced sad to say.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

son of witless wrote:

I object, I object. Trump did not obstruct. He also is allowed to defend himself against witch h****rs. Trump is not a witch. He beat the most powerful one in the last P**********l E******n.

Actually, Watergate was really about the progressive socialist Democrats wanting to remove Nixon because he was taking aim at the administrative state, big government, and entitlement programs from Johnson's "Great Society." They had to get him removed. But first, they had to remove Agnew and select another non-controversial Republican in Gerald Ford to step in to replace Nixon to successfully do this. What they didn't expect was Reagan winning in 1980. We have been in a civil war since the 1960s because of government over-reach and expansion. Trump also recognized this, as did everyone who v**ed for him. The Democrats of Big Government and socialism will not go easily or quietly. Our only hope is to re-elect Trump, more conservative Senators and Representatives who believe in original intent constitutionality and appoint more conservative judges so that we can begin to dismantle the huge bureaucratic administrative state and turn out the "living Constitution" Democrats who try to redefine everything. Orwell warned about this!

Al Armed

The Russians were right.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Al Armed wrote:

The Russians were right.

What about?

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

dtucker300 wrote:

What about?

Defeating us without firing a shot. But I'm guessing.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Peewee wrote:

Defeating us without firing a shot. But I'm guessing.

Oh yes, good point. Time is on their side and they are patient about some things. We missed a golden opportunity, after the USSR collapsed, to get rid of Nukes, establish a complete paradigm shift in Europe and Central Asia, and develop better trade relations and investments in Russia and their former states.

DogLover99

I guess that's why Paige said POTUS wants to be kept in the loop, Right?

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

DogLover99 wrote:

I guess that's why Paige said POTUS wants to be kept in the loop, Right?

Yes, and so far cooler heads are prevailing, but the Chicken Little Democrats always think the sky is falling.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

DogLover99 wrote:

I guess that's why Paige said POTUS wants to be kept in the loop, Right?

Did you press reply or quote reply? Not sure who you are speaking to.