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Apr 28, 2019 09:30:25   #
bahmer
 
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword
By David Jolly - April 28, 2019

Natural se******n has long been used as a weapon by evolutionists. They wield it like a sword in their war against Scripture, slicing their way through real science in an effort to promote their naturalistic agenda.

The theory of evolution by means of natural se******n has long been based on the conclusions that come from several assumptions. The first assumption is that all species will produce more offspring than will be able to survive and reproduce more offspring and so on. Under the best conditions, a population will continue to reproduce at an exponential rate. The second assumption is that all organisms will vary in their ability to survive and reproduce. The third assumption is that some aspect of the ability to survive and reproduce are genetic and are passed on to the next generation. This last assumption is the most important of the three and the one that has been stressed the most. Even Charles Darwin emphasized this point in his historic treatise On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Se******n, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

These three assumptions then lead to the concept that one group of organisms (genotype) is more adapted to its environment and thus possesses greater fitness for surviving and reproducing. The conclusion is that certain genotypes with greater fitness will leave on the average, more offspring than do less fit genotypes. This conclusion is most often defined as natural se******n.

Evolutionists go onto to say that because of natural se******n, those genetic traits that promote a greater level of fitness will become more prevalent in the next generation. The increase in the frequency of these traits increases throughout the population and will eventually lead to gradual change in the entire population.

While the description of natural se******n may sound simple, qualifying it is another story. Even many in the field of population genetics admit that there are numerous hurdles to overcome to be able to quantify the effects of natural se******n.

One of those hurdles involves the ability to measure the biological complexity of fitness as described above. The only real way to test it would be to study the different isolated components of fitness. However, when these different components are separated or pooled together, they may alter the effects of a different component, making any test results questionable at best.

A second problem is the genetic complexity of fitness. The fitness aspect being examined may involve anywhere from one to many different genes. Identification of each and every gene along with its affect on other associated genes can require years of intense research. And this research can be easily contaminated by inadvertent environmental factors without the researcher realizing it.

Probably the largest hurdle to overcome in determining fitness is statistical. Se******n of coefficients as small as 1% or ever smaller, can have a major impact on gene expression of any single gene, group of genes or all of the genes involved with the specific fitness trait being studied.

All this is to say that although you hear evolutionists using natural se******n all the time, it is extremely difficult for them to accurately quantify their use of the term. Hence, it has become a catchall expression used to explain any change in a population or species of plant or animal.

While studying population genetics in graduate school, I realized that although natural se******n may be near impossible to quantify, the effects of it are easily understood. Basically, natural se******n is a population pressure that generally keeps the genetic variability of the population stable or it drives the population to a speciation event and eventually to extinction.

For example, the genetic variability within a large population will generally remain fairly stable. For the sake of the example, this large population has 1000 genes that are heterozygous (Aa, Bb, Cc, etc.) and 9000 genes that are homozygous, (XX, xx, YY, yy, ZZ, zz, etc). The only genetic variation exists in the 1000 heterozygous genes. The homozygous genes are fixed and are not variable. As the numerous individuals within that population continue to interbreed, the various genetic traits found in the 1000 heterozygous genes will be equally shared and dispersed throughout the population, thus preserving the overall genetic and physical make up of that population.

However, if a small group of individuals from that population breaks away and moves to another location and no longer intermingles with the larger population, the amount of genetic variability can be reduced. Perhaps the individuals in the new population only have 850 heterozygous genes and 9150 homozygous genes. If this new population no longer interbreeds with the larger population, then only those genetic traits that they carried with them will be passed down to the offspring of the new population. Eventually, this new smaller population may or may not exhibit physical or behavioral differences from the parent population. If the differences are significant enough so that the two populations can no longer interbreed and produce viable offspring, it may be enough to declare the new population to be a separate species. But note that the formation of the new species is caused by the reduction in genetic variability not an increase.

With each new population that breaks off from the parent population, it continues to reduce the amount of genetic variability in the new populations. The more variability a population loses, the less likely they are to survive any changes to their environment. Eventually, a population may lose so much of their variability that their chances of surviving any type of environmental change are extremely poor, increasing the likelihood of their eventual extinction.

Or perhaps a major c*****e c****e occurs in the area of the parent population. Only those individuals that possess the traits necessary to survive the changes will survive. The forces of natural se******n will select for those individuals best suited to survive in the new climate, while those that are less fit will die off. This can also reduce the amount of variability within the parent population. The same thing can happen with a disease or parasitic infection that affects a significant part of the population.

As stated before, natural se******n either helps to keep a population stable, which means no change, or it will drive it to form a new species with a lesser amount of genetic variability and eventually to possible extinction.

When you think about it, natural se******n could be considered an integral part of the second law of thermodynamics, in which everything if left to itself will eventually break down and decay over time.

Now the question that has to be asked is:

“How does natural se******n support evolution which requires an ever-increasing amount of genetic information or variability?”
It doesn’t!

From a creationist point of view, God created everything to be very good. Undoubtedly, He would have placed a large amount of variation within the genetics of all or most of the plants and animals that He created. Then at the time of Flood, Noah (with God’s direction) would have most likely selected those animals with a greater amount of variation. We know this was so because of the tremendous number of different animals found in Post Flood deposits.

After the Flood and the animals dispersed off the Ark, the pressures of natural se******n would have been very minimal, allowing rapid reproduction of most animals. As they rapidly reproduced, they would have started splitting off into different populations and moving into different regions of the world. The result would have been rapid loss of genetic variation resulting in rapid speciation. Eventually, the regions started to fill will animals and as it did, the pressures of natural se******n would have increased in such a way to slow down reproduction and speciation. Many of the species created rapidly after the Flood became extinct because they most likely did not possess the genetic traits that allowed them to survive in their new climates and environments.

If evolutionists truly understood the effects of natural se******n, they wouldn’t wield it like a mighty sword, for they will soon find that they will be the ones getting stabbed. However, creationists should wield the sword of natural se******n because it truly does cut to the heart of the Godless evolutionary model.

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Apr 28, 2019 11:39:30   #
Carol Kelly
 
bahmer wrote:
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword
By David Jolly - April 28, 2019

Natural se******n has long been used as a weapon by evolutionists. They wield it like a sword in their war against Scripture, slicing their way through real science in an effort to promote their naturalistic agenda.

The theory of evolution by means of natural se******n has long been based on the conclusions that come from several assumptions. The first assumption is that all species will produce more offspring than will be able to survive and reproduce more offspring and so on. Under the best conditions, a population will continue to reproduce at an exponential rate. The second assumption is that all organisms will vary in their ability to survive and reproduce. The third assumption is that some aspect of the ability to survive and reproduce are genetic and are passed on to the next generation. This last assumption is the most important of the three and the one that has been stressed the most. Even Charles Darwin emphasized this point in his historic treatise On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Se******n, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

These three assumptions then lead to the concept that one group of organisms (genotype) is more adapted to its environment and thus possesses greater fitness for surviving and reproducing. The conclusion is that certain genotypes with greater fitness will leave on the average, more offspring than do less fit genotypes. This conclusion is most often defined as natural se******n.

Evolutionists go onto to say that because of natural se******n, those genetic traits that promote a greater level of fitness will become more prevalent in the next generation. The increase in the frequency of these traits increases throughout the population and will eventually lead to gradual change in the entire population.

While the description of natural se******n may sound simple, qualifying it is another story. Even many in the field of population genetics admit that there are numerous hurdles to overcome to be able to quantify the effects of natural se******n.

One of those hurdles involves the ability to measure the biological complexity of fitness as described above. The only real way to test it would be to study the different isolated components of fitness. However, when these different components are separated or pooled together, they may alter the effects of a different component, making any test results questionable at best.

A second problem is the genetic complexity of fitness. The fitness aspect being examined may involve anywhere from one to many different genes. Identification of each and every gene along with its affect on other associated genes can require years of intense research. And this research can be easily contaminated by inadvertent environmental factors without the researcher realizing it.

Probably the largest hurdle to overcome in determining fitness is statistical. Se******n of coefficients as small as 1% or ever smaller, can have a major impact on gene expression of any single gene, group of genes or all of the genes involved with the specific fitness trait being studied.

All this is to say that although you hear evolutionists using natural se******n all the time, it is extremely difficult for them to accurately quantify their use of the term. Hence, it has become a catchall expression used to explain any change in a population or species of plant or animal.

While studying population genetics in graduate school, I realized that although natural se******n may be near impossible to quantify, the effects of it are easily understood. Basically, natural se******n is a population pressure that generally keeps the genetic variability of the population stable or it drives the population to a speciation event and eventually to extinction.

For example, the genetic variability within a large population will generally remain fairly stable. For the sake of the example, this large population has 1000 genes that are heterozygous (Aa, Bb, Cc, etc.) and 9000 genes that are homozygous, (XX, xx, YY, yy, ZZ, zz, etc). The only genetic variation exists in the 1000 heterozygous genes. The homozygous genes are fixed and are not variable. As the numerous individuals within that population continue to interbreed, the various genetic traits found in the 1000 heterozygous genes will be equally shared and dispersed throughout the population, thus preserving the overall genetic and physical make up of that population.

However, if a small group of individuals from that population breaks away and moves to another location and no longer intermingles with the larger population, the amount of genetic variability can be reduced. Perhaps the individuals in the new population only have 850 heterozygous genes and 9150 homozygous genes. If this new population no longer interbreeds with the larger population, then only those genetic traits that they carried with them will be passed down to the offspring of the new population. Eventually, this new smaller population may or may not exhibit physical or behavioral differences from the parent population. If the differences are significant enough so that the two populations can no longer interbreed and produce viable offspring, it may be enough to declare the new population to be a separate species. But note that the formation of the new species is caused by the reduction in genetic variability not an increase.

With each new population that breaks off from the parent population, it continues to reduce the amount of genetic variability in the new populations. The more variability a population loses, the less likely they are to survive any changes to their environment. Eventually, a population may lose so much of their variability that their chances of surviving any type of environmental change are extremely poor, increasing the likelihood of their eventual extinction.

Or perhaps a major c*****e c****e occurs in the area of the parent population. Only those individuals that possess the traits necessary to survive the changes will survive. The forces of natural se******n will select for those individuals best suited to survive in the new climate, while those that are less fit will die off. This can also reduce the amount of variability within the parent population. The same thing can happen with a disease or parasitic infection that affects a significant part of the population.

As stated before, natural se******n either helps to keep a population stable, which means no change, or it will drive it to form a new species with a lesser amount of genetic variability and eventually to possible extinction.

When you think about it, natural se******n could be considered an integral part of the second law of thermodynamics, in which everything if left to itself will eventually break down and decay over time.

Now the question that has to be asked is:

“How does natural se******n support evolution which requires an ever-increasing amount of genetic information or variability?”
It doesn’t!

From a creationist point of view, God created everything to be very good. Undoubtedly, He would have placed a large amount of variation within the genetics of all or most of the plants and animals that He created. Then at the time of Flood, Noah (with God’s direction) would have most likely selected those animals with a greater amount of variation. We know this was so because of the tremendous number of different animals found in Post Flood deposits.

After the Flood and the animals dispersed off the Ark, the pressures of natural se******n would have been very minimal, allowing rapid reproduction of most animals. As they rapidly reproduced, they would have started splitting off into different populations and moving into different regions of the world. The result would have been rapid loss of genetic variation resulting in rapid speciation. Eventually, the regions started to fill will animals and as it did, the pressures of natural se******n would have increased in such a way to slow down reproduction and speciation. Many of the species created rapidly after the Flood became extinct because they most likely did not possess the genetic traits that allowed them to survive in their new climates and environments.

If evolutionists truly understood the effects of natural se******n, they wouldn’t wield it like a mighty sword, for they will soon find that they will be the ones getting stabbed. However, creationists should wield the sword of natural se******n because it truly does cut to the heart of the Godless evolutionary model.
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword br ... (show quote)


When I first began reading this a mental picture formed and I disagreed with much of it. As I read on I began to see a point where I could agree. We cannot sit back and just go ho hum, wh**ever will be will be. There must be a pendulum swing back to the creation made by God which has become so perverse. We must return to a Christian environment where life is more stable and where innocence is more desirable. The attitudes that we have assumed today of acceptance of all deviance must not be encouraged or we face extinction. I’m not as brilliant as most on here so if I missed the point altogether and replaced it with my own ideas, I’m sorry.

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Apr 28, 2019 11:52:42   #
bahmer
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
When I first began reading this a mental picture formed and I disagreed with much of it. As I read on I began to see a point where I could agree. We cannot sit back and just go ho hum, wh**ever will be will be. There must be a pendulum swing back to the creation made by God which has become so perverse. We must return to a Christian environment where life is more stable and where innocence is more desirable. The attitudes that we have assumed today of acceptance of all deviance must not be encouraged or we face extinction. I’m not as brilliant as most on here so if I missed the point altogether and replaced it with my own ideas, I’m sorry.
When I first began reading this a mental picture f... (show quote)


No you didn't miss it you nailed it as far as I am concerned.

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Apr 28, 2019 13:30:32   #
rumitoid
 
bahmer wrote:
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword
By David Jolly - April 28, 2019

Natural se******n has long been used as a weapon by evolutionists. They wield it like a sword in their war against Scripture, slicing their way through real science in an effort to promote their naturalistic agenda.

The theory of evolution by means of natural se******n has long been based on the conclusions that come from several assumptions. The first assumption is that all species will produce more offspring than will be able to survive and reproduce more offspring and so on. Under the best conditions, a population will continue to reproduce at an exponential rate. The second assumption is that all organisms will vary in their ability to survive and reproduce. The third assumption is that some aspect of the ability to survive and reproduce are genetic and are passed on to the next generation. This last assumption is the most important of the three and the one that has been stressed the most. Even Charles Darwin emphasized this point in his historic treatise On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Se******n, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

These three assumptions then lead to the concept that one group of organisms (genotype) is more adapted to its environment and thus possesses greater fitness for surviving and reproducing. The conclusion is that certain genotypes with greater fitness will leave on the average, more offspring than do less fit genotypes. This conclusion is most often defined as natural se******n.

Evolutionists go onto to say that because of natural se******n, those genetic traits that promote a greater level of fitness will become more prevalent in the next generation. The increase in the frequency of these traits increases throughout the population and will eventually lead to gradual change in the entire population.

While the description of natural se******n may sound simple, qualifying it is another story. Even many in the field of population genetics admit that there are numerous hurdles to overcome to be able to quantify the effects of natural se******n.

One of those hurdles involves the ability to measure the biological complexity of fitness as described above. The only real way to test it would be to study the different isolated components of fitness. However, when these different components are separated or pooled together, they may alter the effects of a different component, making any test results questionable at best.

A second problem is the genetic complexity of fitness. The fitness aspect being examined may involve anywhere from one to many different genes. Identification of each and every gene along with its affect on other associated genes can require years of intense research. And this research can be easily contaminated by inadvertent environmental factors without the researcher realizing it.

Probably the largest hurdle to overcome in determining fitness is statistical. Se******n of coefficients as small as 1% or ever smaller, can have a major impact on gene expression of any single gene, group of genes or all of the genes involved with the specific fitness trait being studied.

All this is to say that although you hear evolutionists using natural se******n all the time, it is extremely difficult for them to accurately quantify their use of the term. Hence, it has become a catchall expression used to explain any change in a population or species of plant or animal.

While studying population genetics in graduate school, I realized that although natural se******n may be near impossible to quantify, the effects of it are easily understood. Basically, natural se******n is a population pressure that generally keeps the genetic variability of the population stable or it drives the population to a speciation event and eventually to extinction.

For example, the genetic variability within a large population will generally remain fairly stable. For the sake of the example, this large population has 1000 genes that are heterozygous (Aa, Bb, Cc, etc.) and 9000 genes that are homozygous, (XX, xx, YY, yy, ZZ, zz, etc). The only genetic variation exists in the 1000 heterozygous genes. The homozygous genes are fixed and are not variable. As the numerous individuals within that population continue to interbreed, the various genetic traits found in the 1000 heterozygous genes will be equally shared and dispersed throughout the population, thus preserving the overall genetic and physical make up of that population.

However, if a small group of individuals from that population breaks away and moves to another location and no longer intermingles with the larger population, the amount of genetic variability can be reduced. Perhaps the individuals in the new population only have 850 heterozygous genes and 9150 homozygous genes. If this new population no longer interbreeds with the larger population, then only those genetic traits that they carried with them will be passed down to the offspring of the new population. Eventually, this new smaller population may or may not exhibit physical or behavioral differences from the parent population. If the differences are significant enough so that the two populations can no longer interbreed and produce viable offspring, it may be enough to declare the new population to be a separate species. But note that the formation of the new species is caused by the reduction in genetic variability not an increase.

With each new population that breaks off from the parent population, it continues to reduce the amount of genetic variability in the new populations. The more variability a population loses, the less likely they are to survive any changes to their environment. Eventually, a population may lose so much of their variability that their chances of surviving any type of environmental change are extremely poor, increasing the likelihood of their eventual extinction.

Or perhaps a major c*****e c****e occurs in the area of the parent population. Only those individuals that possess the traits necessary to survive the changes will survive. The forces of natural se******n will select for those individuals best suited to survive in the new climate, while those that are less fit will die off. This can also reduce the amount of variability within the parent population. The same thing can happen with a disease or parasitic infection that affects a significant part of the population.

As stated before, natural se******n either helps to keep a population stable, which means no change, or it will drive it to form a new species with a lesser amount of genetic variability and eventually to possible extinction.

When you think about it, natural se******n could be considered an integral part of the second law of thermodynamics, in which everything if left to itself will eventually break down and decay over time.

Now the question that has to be asked is:

“How does natural se******n support evolution which requires an ever-increasing amount of genetic information or variability?”
It doesn’t!

From a creationist point of view, God created everything to be very good. Undoubtedly, He would have placed a large amount of variation within the genetics of all or most of the plants and animals that He created. Then at the time of Flood, Noah (with God’s direction) would have most likely selected those animals with a greater amount of variation. We know this was so because of the tremendous number of different animals found in Post Flood deposits.

After the Flood and the animals dispersed off the Ark, the pressures of natural se******n would have been very minimal, allowing rapid reproduction of most animals. As they rapidly reproduced, they would have started splitting off into different populations and moving into different regions of the world. The result would have been rapid loss of genetic variation resulting in rapid speciation. Eventually, the regions started to fill will animals and as it did, the pressures of natural se******n would have increased in such a way to slow down reproduction and speciation. Many of the species created rapidly after the Flood became extinct because they most likely did not possess the genetic traits that allowed them to survive in their new climates and environments.

If evolutionists truly understood the effects of natural se******n, they wouldn’t wield it like a mighty sword, for they will soon find that they will be the ones getting stabbed. However, creationists should wield the sword of natural se******n because it truly does cut to the heart of the Godless evolutionary model.
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword br ... (show quote)


Ten things wrong with Evolutionary Theory:
Lack of a viable mechanism for producing high levels of complex and specified information. Related to this are problems with the Darwinian mechanism producing irreducibly complex features, and the problems of non-functional or deleterious intermediate stages. (For details see: “The NCSE, Judge Jones, and Bluffs About the Origin of New Functional Genetic Information,” “Do Car Engines Run on Lugnuts? A Response to Ken Miller & Judge Jones’s Straw Tests of Irreducible Complexity for the Bacterial F**gellum,” “Opening Darwin’s Black Box,” or “Can Random Mutations Create New Complex Features? A Response to TalkOrigins“);

The failure of the fossil record to provide support for Darwinian evolution. (For details, see “Punctuated Equilibrium and Patterns from the Fossil Record” or “Intelligent Design Has Scientific Merit in Paleontology“);

The failure of molecular biology to provide evidence for a grand “tree of life.” (For details, see: “A Primer on the Tree of Life“);
Natural se******n is an extremely inefficient method of spreading traits in populations unless a trait has an extremely high se******n coefficient;

The problem that convergent evolution appears rampant — at both the genetic and morphological levels, even though under Darwinian theory this is highly unlikely. (For details, see “Convergent Genetic Evolution: ‘Surprising’ Under Unguided Evolution, Expected Under Intelligent Design” and “Dolphins and Porpoises and…Bats? Oh My! Evolution’s Convergence Problem“);

The failure of chemistry to explain the origin of the genetic code. (For details, see “The origin of life remains a mystery” or “Problems with the Natural Chemical ‘Origin of Life’“);

The failure of developmental biology to explain why vertebrate embryos diverge from the beginning of development. (For details, see: “Evolving views of embryology,” “A Reply to Carl Zimmer on Embryology and Developmental Biology,” “Current Textbooks Misuse Embryology to Argue for Evolution“);

The failure of neo-Darwinian evolution to explain the biogeographical distribution of many species. (For details, see “Sea Monkey Hypotheses Refute the NCSE’s Biogeography Objections to Explore Evolution” or “Sea Monkeys Are the Tip of the Iceberg: More Biogeographical Conundrums for Neo-Darwinism“);

A long history of inaccurate predictions inspired by neo-Darwinism regarding vestigial organs or so-called “junk” DNA. (For details, ] see: “Intelligent Design and the Death of the ‘Junk-DNA’ Neo-Darwinian Paradigm,” “The Latest Proof of Evolution: The Appendix Has No Important Function,” or “Does Darrel Falk’s Junk DNA Argument for Common Descent Commit ‘One of the Biggest Mistakes in the History of Molecular Biology’?);

Humans show many behavioral and cognitive traits and abilities that offer no apparent survival advantage (e.g. music, art, religion, ability to ponder the nature of the universe).

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Apr 28, 2019 13:35:01   #
rumitoid
 
bahmer wrote:
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword
By David Jolly - April 28, 2019

Natural se******n has long been used as a weapon by evolutionists. They wield it like a sword in their war against Scripture, slicing their way through real science in an effort to promote their naturalistic agenda.

The theory of evolution by means of natural se******n has long been based on the conclusions that come from several assumptions. The first assumption is that all species will produce more offspring than will be able to survive and reproduce more offspring and so on. Under the best conditions, a population will continue to reproduce at an exponential rate. The second assumption is that all organisms will vary in their ability to survive and reproduce. The third assumption is that some aspect of the ability to survive and reproduce are genetic and are passed on to the next generation. This last assumption is the most important of the three and the one that has been stressed the most. Even Charles Darwin emphasized this point in his historic treatise On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Se******n, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

These three assumptions then lead to the concept that one group of organisms (genotype) is more adapted to its environment and thus possesses greater fitness for surviving and reproducing. The conclusion is that certain genotypes with greater fitness will leave on the average, more offspring than do less fit genotypes. This conclusion is most often defined as natural se******n.

Evolutionists go onto to say that because of natural se******n, those genetic traits that promote a greater level of fitness will become more prevalent in the next generation. The increase in the frequency of these traits increases throughout the population and will eventually lead to gradual change in the entire population.

While the description of natural se******n may sound simple, qualifying it is another story. Even many in the field of population genetics admit that there are numerous hurdles to overcome to be able to quantify the effects of natural se******n.

One of those hurdles involves the ability to measure the biological complexity of fitness as described above. The only real way to test it would be to study the different isolated components of fitness. However, when these different components are separated or pooled together, they may alter the effects of a different component, making any test results questionable at best.

A second problem is the genetic complexity of fitness. The fitness aspect being examined may involve anywhere from one to many different genes. Identification of each and every gene along with its affect on other associated genes can require years of intense research. And this research can be easily contaminated by inadvertent environmental factors without the researcher realizing it.

Probably the largest hurdle to overcome in determining fitness is statistical. Se******n of coefficients as small as 1% or ever smaller, can have a major impact on gene expression of any single gene, group of genes or all of the genes involved with the specific fitness trait being studied.

All this is to say that although you hear evolutionists using natural se******n all the time, it is extremely difficult for them to accurately quantify their use of the term. Hence, it has become a catchall expression used to explain any change in a population or species of plant or animal.

While studying population genetics in graduate school, I realized that although natural se******n may be near impossible to quantify, the effects of it are easily understood. Basically, natural se******n is a population pressure that generally keeps the genetic variability of the population stable or it drives the population to a speciation event and eventually to extinction.

For example, the genetic variability within a large population will generally remain fairly stable. For the sake of the example, this large population has 1000 genes that are heterozygous (Aa, Bb, Cc, etc.) and 9000 genes that are homozygous, (XX, xx, YY, yy, ZZ, zz, etc). The only genetic variation exists in the 1000 heterozygous genes. The homozygous genes are fixed and are not variable. As the numerous individuals within that population continue to interbreed, the various genetic traits found in the 1000 heterozygous genes will be equally shared and dispersed throughout the population, thus preserving the overall genetic and physical make up of that population.

However, if a small group of individuals from that population breaks away and moves to another location and no longer intermingles with the larger population, the amount of genetic variability can be reduced. Perhaps the individuals in the new population only have 850 heterozygous genes and 9150 homozygous genes. If this new population no longer interbreeds with the larger population, then only those genetic traits that they carried with them will be passed down to the offspring of the new population. Eventually, this new smaller population may or may not exhibit physical or behavioral differences from the parent population. If the differences are significant enough so that the two populations can no longer interbreed and produce viable offspring, it may be enough to declare the new population to be a separate species. But note that the formation of the new species is caused by the reduction in genetic variability not an increase.

With each new population that breaks off from the parent population, it continues to reduce the amount of genetic variability in the new populations. The more variability a population loses, the less likely they are to survive any changes to their environment. Eventually, a population may lose so much of their variability that their chances of surviving any type of environmental change are extremely poor, increasing the likelihood of their eventual extinction.

Or perhaps a major c*****e c****e occurs in the area of the parent population. Only those individuals that possess the traits necessary to survive the changes will survive. The forces of natural se******n will select for those individuals best suited to survive in the new climate, while those that are less fit will die off. This can also reduce the amount of variability within the parent population. The same thing can happen with a disease or parasitic infection that affects a significant part of the population.

As stated before, natural se******n either helps to keep a population stable, which means no change, or it will drive it to form a new species with a lesser amount of genetic variability and eventually to possible extinction.

When you think about it, natural se******n could be considered an integral part of the second law of thermodynamics, in which everything if left to itself will eventually break down and decay over time.

Now the question that has to be asked is:

“How does natural se******n support evolution which requires an ever-increasing amount of genetic information or variability?”
It doesn’t!

From a creationist point of view, God created everything to be very good. Undoubtedly, He would have placed a large amount of variation within the genetics of all or most of the plants and animals that He created. Then at the time of Flood, Noah (with God’s direction) would have most likely selected those animals with a greater amount of variation. We know this was so because of the tremendous number of different animals found in Post Flood deposits.

After the Flood and the animals dispersed off the Ark, the pressures of natural se******n would have been very minimal, allowing rapid reproduction of most animals. As they rapidly reproduced, they would have started splitting off into different populations and moving into different regions of the world. The result would have been rapid loss of genetic variation resulting in rapid speciation. Eventually, the regions started to fill will animals and as it did, the pressures of natural se******n would have increased in such a way to slow down reproduction and speciation. Many of the species created rapidly after the Flood became extinct because they most likely did not possess the genetic traits that allowed them to survive in their new climates and environments.

If evolutionists truly understood the effects of natural se******n, they wouldn’t wield it like a mighty sword, for they will soon find that they will be the ones getting stabbed. However, creationists should wield the sword of natural se******n because it truly does cut to the heart of the Godless evolutionary model.
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword br ... (show quote)


One of the major arguments against Evolutionary Theory is quite simple: C********e counts are fixed in each species.

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Apr 28, 2019 13:42:34   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
One of the major arguments against Evolutionary Theory is quite simple: C********e counts are fixed in each species.


The main thing against Evolutionary Theory is that it is just that “theory”. Even the theory’s creator claimed it was but a “theory”. And it’s Godless, missing a few crucial marks.

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Apr 28, 2019 14:11:50   #
rumitoid
 
Trying to dismiss it because it is "just a theory" is not a good idea. The meaning of the term scientific theory as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of theory. In everyday speech, theory can imply an explanation that represents an unsubstantiated and speculative guess or hunch, whereas in science it describes an explanation that has been tested and widely accepted as valid.

Every scientific theory starts as a hypothesis. A scientific hypothesis is a suggested solution for an unexplained occurrence that doesn't fit into a currently accepted scientific theory. In other words, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a hypothesis is an idea that hasn't been proven yet. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step — known as a theory — in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon. The word "theory" in science means considerable research and test-proven results, like the theory of Gravity or Relativity.

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Apr 29, 2019 11:24:47   #
kemmer
 
bahmer wrote:
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword
By David Jolly - April 28, 2019

Natural se******n has long been used as a weapon by evolutionists. They wield it like a sword in their war against Scripture, slicing their way through real science in an effort to promote their naturalistic agenda.

The theory of evolution by means of natural se******n has long been based on the conclusions that come from several assumptions. The first assumption is that all species will produce more offspring than will be able to survive and reproduce more offspring and so on. Under the best conditions, a population will continue to reproduce at an exponential rate. The second assumption is that all organisms will vary in their ability to survive and reproduce. The third assumption is that some aspect of the ability to survive and reproduce are genetic and are passed on to the next generation. This last assumption is the most important of the three and the one that has been stressed the most. Even Charles Darwin emphasized this point in his historic treatise On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Se******n, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

These three assumptions then lead to the concept that one group of organisms (genotype) is more adapted to its environment and thus possesses greater fitness for surviving and reproducing. The conclusion is that certain genotypes with greater fitness will leave on the average, more offspring than do less fit genotypes. This conclusion is most often defined as natural se******n.

Evolutionists go onto to say that because of natural se******n, those genetic traits that promote a greater level of fitness will become more prevalent in the next generation. The increase in the frequency of these traits increases throughout the population and will eventually lead to gradual change in the entire population.

While the description of natural se******n may sound simple, qualifying it is another story. Even many in the field of population genetics admit that there are numerous hurdles to overcome to be able to quantify the effects of natural se******n.

One of those hurdles involves the ability to measure the biological complexity of fitness as described above. The only real way to test it would be to study the different isolated components of fitness. However, when these different components are separated or pooled together, they may alter the effects of a different component, making any test results questionable at best.

A second problem is the genetic complexity of fitness. The fitness aspect being examined may involve anywhere from one to many different genes. Identification of each and every gene along with its affect on other associated genes can require years of intense research. And this research can be easily contaminated by inadvertent environmental factors without the researcher realizing it.

Probably the largest hurdle to overcome in determining fitness is statistical. Se******n of coefficients as small as 1% or ever smaller, can have a major impact on gene expression of any single gene, group of genes or all of the genes involved with the specific fitness trait being studied.

All this is to say that although you hear evolutionists using natural se******n all the time, it is extremely difficult for them to accurately quantify their use of the term. Hence, it has become a catchall expression used to explain any change in a population or species of plant or animal.

While studying population genetics in graduate school, I realized that although natural se******n may be near impossible to quantify, the effects of it are easily understood. Basically, natural se******n is a population pressure that generally keeps the genetic variability of the population stable or it drives the population to a speciation event and eventually to extinction.

For example, the genetic variability within a large population will generally remain fairly stable. For the sake of the example, this large population has 1000 genes that are heterozygous (Aa, Bb, Cc, etc.) and 9000 genes that are homozygous, (XX, xx, YY, yy, ZZ, zz, etc). The only genetic variation exists in the 1000 heterozygous genes. The homozygous genes are fixed and are not variable. As the numerous individuals within that population continue to interbreed, the various genetic traits found in the 1000 heterozygous genes will be equally shared and dispersed throughout the population, thus preserving the overall genetic and physical make up of that population.

However, if a small group of individuals from that population breaks away and moves to another location and no longer intermingles with the larger population, the amount of genetic variability can be reduced. Perhaps the individuals in the new population only have 850 heterozygous genes and 9150 homozygous genes. If this new population no longer interbreeds with the larger population, then only those genetic traits that they carried with them will be passed down to the offspring of the new population. Eventually, this new smaller population may or may not exhibit physical or behavioral differences from the parent population. If the differences are significant enough so that the two populations can no longer interbreed and produce viable offspring, it may be enough to declare the new population to be a separate species. But note that the formation of the new species is caused by the reduction in genetic variability not an increase.

With each new population that breaks off from the parent population, it continues to reduce the amount of genetic variability in the new populations. The more variability a population loses, the less likely they are to survive any changes to their environment. Eventually, a population may lose so much of their variability that their chances of surviving any type of environmental change are extremely poor, increasing the likelihood of their eventual extinction.

Or perhaps a major c*****e c****e occurs in the area of the parent population. Only those individuals that possess the traits necessary to survive the changes will survive. The forces of natural se******n will select for those individuals best suited to survive in the new climate, while those that are less fit will die off. This can also reduce the amount of variability within the parent population. The same thing can happen with a disease or parasitic infection that affects a significant part of the population.

As stated before, natural se******n either helps to keep a population stable, which means no change, or it will drive it to form a new species with a lesser amount of genetic variability and eventually to possible extinction.

When you think about it, natural se******n could be considered an integral part of the second law of thermodynamics, in which everything if left to itself will eventually break down and decay over time.

Now the question that has to be asked is:

“How does natural se******n support evolution which requires an ever-increasing amount of genetic information or variability?”
It doesn’t!

From a creationist point of view, God created everything to be very good. Undoubtedly, He would have placed a large amount of variation within the genetics of all or most of the plants and animals that He created. Then at the time of Flood, Noah (with God’s direction) would have most likely selected those animals with a greater amount of variation. We know this was so because of the tremendous number of different animals found in Post Flood deposits.

After the Flood and the animals dispersed off the Ark, the pressures of natural se******n would have been very minimal, allowing rapid reproduction of most animals. As they rapidly reproduced, they would have started splitting off into different populations and moving into different regions of the world. The result would have been rapid loss of genetic variation resulting in rapid speciation. Eventually, the regions started to fill will animals and as it did, the pressures of natural se******n would have increased in such a way to slow down reproduction and speciation. Many of the species created rapidly after the Flood became extinct because they most likely did not possess the genetic traits that allowed them to survive in their new climates and environments.

If evolutionists truly understood the effects of natural se******n, they wouldn’t wield it like a mighty sword, for they will soon find that they will be the ones getting stabbed. However, creationists should wield the sword of natural se******n because it truly does cut to the heart of the Godless evolutionary model.
Godless Evolution Dies by Falling on Own Sword br ... (show quote)

This little screed wins 2 free tickets to the Kentucky Creation Museum, where you can thrill to sight of dioramas depicting Adam 'n' Eve cavorting with dinosaurs, and thankfully reflect on the fact that untold hundreds of t-rexes were rejected boarding rights on Noah's ark.
Then ponder the reasons the Egyptians, who were busy constructing their pyramids at the time of the "global flood", didn't seem to be at all inconvenienced.

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Apr 29, 2019 13:01:13   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
rumitoid wrote:
Ten things wrong with Evolutionary Theory:
Lack of a viable mechanism for producing high levels of complex and specified information. Related to this are problems with the Darwinian mechanism producing irreducibly complex features, and the problems of non-functional or deleterious intermediate stages. (For details see: “The NCSE, Judge Jones, and Bluffs About the Origin of New Functional Genetic Information,” “Do Car Engines Run on Lugnuts? A Response to Ken Miller & Judge Jones’s Straw Tests of Irreducible Complexity for the Bacterial F**gellum,” “Opening Darwin’s Black Box,” or “Can Random Mutations Create New Complex Features? A Response to TalkOrigins“);

The failure of the fossil record to provide support for Darwinian evolution. (For details, see “Punctuated Equilibrium and Patterns from the Fossil Record” or “Intelligent Design Has Scientific Merit in Paleontology“);

The failure of molecular biology to provide evidence for a grand “tree of life.” (For details, see: “A Primer on the Tree of Life“);
Natural se******n is an extremely inefficient method of spreading traits in populations unless a trait has an extremely high se******n coefficient;

The problem that convergent evolution appears rampant — at both the genetic and morphological levels, even though under Darwinian theory this is highly unlikely. (For details, see “Convergent Genetic Evolution: ‘Surprising’ Under Unguided Evolution, Expected Under Intelligent Design” and “Dolphins and Porpoises and…Bats? Oh My! Evolution’s Convergence Problem“);

The failure of chemistry to explain the origin of the genetic code. (For details, see “The origin of life remains a mystery” or “Problems with the Natural Chemical ‘Origin of Life’“);

The failure of developmental biology to explain why vertebrate embryos diverge from the beginning of development. (For details, see: “Evolving views of embryology,” “A Reply to Carl Zimmer on Embryology and Developmental Biology,” “Current Textbooks Misuse Embryology to Argue for Evolution“);

The failure of neo-Darwinian evolution to explain the biogeographical distribution of many species. (For details, see “Sea Monkey Hypotheses Refute the NCSE’s Biogeography Objections to Explore Evolution” or “Sea Monkeys Are the Tip of the Iceberg: More Biogeographical Conundrums for Neo-Darwinism“);

A long history of inaccurate predictions inspired by neo-Darwinism regarding vestigial organs or so-called “junk” DNA. (For details, ] see: “Intelligent Design and the Death of the ‘Junk-DNA’ Neo-Darwinian Paradigm,” “The Latest Proof of Evolution: The Appendix Has No Important Function,” or “Does Darrel Falk’s Junk DNA Argument for Common Descent Commit ‘One of the Biggest Mistakes in the History of Molecular Biology’?);

Humans show many behavioral and cognitive traits and abilities that offer no apparent survival advantage (e.g. music, art, religion, ability to ponder the nature of the universe).
Ten things wrong with Evolutionary Theory: br Lack... (show quote)



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Apr 29, 2019 17:36:36   #
kemmer
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
The main thing against Evolutionary Theory is that it is just that “theory”.

Yeah. Like the theory of gravity.

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Apr 29, 2019 20:08:05   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
kemmer wrote:
Yeah. Like the theory of gravity.


No missing link found ever, but I haven't floated into space yet. I still weigh too much.

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Apr 29, 2019 20:09:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Peewee wrote:
No missing link found ever, but I haven't floated into space yet. I still weigh too much.


Numerous "missing links" found for numerous species...

What is your definition of a "missing link"?

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Apr 29, 2019 20:19:16   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Numerous "missing links" found for numerous species...

What is your definition of a "missing link"?


Tell me first what is your missing link.

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Apr 29, 2019 20:32:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Peewee wrote:
Tell me first what is your missing link.


A missing link would be an intermediate species between two separate species... No?

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Apr 29, 2019 20:36:23   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
A missing link would be an intermediate species between two separate species... No?


Just give me the missing link or go away.

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