Independent Counsel Ken Starr Who Investigated Bill Clinton Chimes in on Trump Obstruction
badbob85037 wrote:
"Some Democrats have vowed to continue to investigate and pursue the obstruction of justice issues, in hopes of finally finding something they can legally use against him."
In other words Democrats will be to busy spending millions of tax payer's dollars to accomplish anything except trying to over throw an elected president who has already gone through two years of an investigation by a group of rabid Trump h**ers. If Democrats believed in God they would thank him for an over abundance of stupid people.
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Substitute 'Republicans' for Democrats; substitute 'Trump' for Hillary; and there you have the usual political twist of revenge and who wants to be in office. 'Tis an eternal circle, no beginning, no end.
Airforceone wrote:
So just because a Trump plant at the DOJ says Trumps innocent even thou the Muellar report clearly makes the Barr summary look foolish
I've always heard ignorance was bliss, apparently it's true !!!!!!
Can't be obstruction of justice without a crime. Obstruction of justice is when your actions prevent a crime from being brought to justice. So where is the crime? In fact the investigation was never even interfered with. Just complained about and discussed what could or should be done in Trump's bellicose way.
Airforceone wrote:
So just because a Trump plant at the DOJ says Trumps innocent even thou the Muellar report clearly makes the Barr summary look foolish
Read the report written by Mueller and his team! It concludes they found NO collusion. Whether Barr would or would not protect Trump, he didn't write the report!!!!!!
markc wrote:
And Starr’s analysis is flawed in that intent is enough for conviction. As we have the most free speech in the world here in the U.S. but if you write on a note “give me all your money” and hand it to a bank teller, then you will get arrested whether you got any money or not. In Federal law, intent is enough. Ten times the Mueller report exemplifies an intent to obstruction.
Not a good analogy. Handing the note is an attempt to rob the bank. What if as you passed by a bank, you said, "I'd like to rob that bank." This is not a crime. Trump never attempted to stop the investigation, even though he had the power to. What he did was complain angrily about the investigation and the people involved. He especially railed at Sessions saying he shouldn't have accepted the job if he was going to turn right around and recuse himself from what might very well be the most important case of Trump's presidency. I agree with Trump that Sessions should not have accepted the job due to the ethics situations.
Trump never held back evidence. He never interfered with any indictments or convictions. He never threatened anyone with imprisonment (Like Obama did to some reporters). He never turned the IRS into a weapon against those opposing him.
jimpack123 wrote:
in Nov. of 2020 the American v**ers will decide if Trump was guilty of being a lowlife conman and I believe that he will lose this e******n. The whole Mueller Report will come out. Roger Stone will flip unless he gets pardoned either wayfor the good of this country Trumps days are numbered
So you think if nothing was redacted the report would go on to say "I (Mueller) lied about there being no collusion!" Since he clearly stated NO collusion could be found, what difference does the rest of it make? Will seeing the names of intelligence agents, investigative methods, and info on FBI procedures change the outcome?
JoyV wrote:
Can't be obstruction of justice without a crime. Obstruction of justice is when your actions prevent a crime from being brought to justice. So where is the crime? In fact the investigation was never even interfered with. Just complained about and discussed what could or should be done in Trump's bellicose way.
To obstruct a Federal investigation is a felony Joy... trump isn't above the law yet... still some more subversion to go...
emarine wrote:
To obstruct a Federal investigation is a felony Joy... trump isn't above the law yet... still some more subversion to go...
I'm curious. Just how did Trump obstruct a Fed investigation? Something provable beyond a shadow of doubt and not some Trump hating hyperbole regurgitated by the likes of a Rachel Maddow~
Jakebrake wrote:
I'm curious. Just how did Trump obstruct a Fed investigation? Something provable beyond a shadow of doubt and not some Trump hating hyperbole regurgitated by the likes of a Rachel Maddow~
RIGHT!! I guess he wasn't allowed to be ticked off for being falsely accused for 2+ years
emarine wrote:
To obstruct a Federal investigation is a felony Joy... trump isn't above the law yet... still some more subversion to go...
Read the report!!!! He did NOT obstruct an investigation. For example, there are some who say Trump pressured Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn. But what he did was ASK Comey if he could let it go. That hardly counts as pressuring. Trump had multiple opportunities to invoke executive privilege, yet he did NOT use his office to stop or interfere with the investigation. Complaining is NOT obstruction!!!! Even when the complaints are said angrily! He rued appointing Sessions and told Sessions so. But he did not tell him he must unrecuse himself and take over the investigation. Mueller never even had to subpoena White House records as Trump ordered his lawyers to turn them over to Mueller. Even those presidents who were beyond investigation and were actually under impeachment process have not willingly turned over records without subpoenas and d**gging their heels. Clinton certainly didn't cooperate with Ken Starr. And what the Clintons did definitely WAS obstruction!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/ken-starr-hillary-a-systematic-enabler-bill-clintons-affairs Nixon did everything BUT cooperate. Trump yelled and let those around him know how much he resented being investigated. That is NOT obstruction!!!! He repeatedly called the investigation a witch hunt. That is NOT obstruction!
So what exactly did he do which obstructed the investigation?
Read the report next time before you start making accusations why don't you?!?!
emarine wrote:
To obstruct a Federal investigation is a felony Joy... trump isn't above the law yet... still some more subversion to go...
The legal definition of Obstruction of Justice is:
Definition
18 U.S.C. § 1503 defines "obstruction of justice" as an act that "corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."
How that applies to the collusion investigation;
1) Trump did not corruptly threaten, force, send threatening letters or communications, or in any other way impede the investigation.
2) The due administration of justice implies a criminal investigation. i. e. a crime must be present.
3) He not only did nothing to impede the investigation, he cooperated fully with it.
JoyV wrote:
The legal definition of Obstruction of Justice is:
Definition
18 U.S.C. § 1503 defines "obstruction of justice" as an act that "corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."
How that applies to the collusion investigation;
1) Trump did not corruptly threaten, force, send threatening letters or communications, or in any other way impede the investigation.
2) The due administration of justice implies a criminal investigation. i. e. a crime must be present.
3) He not only did nothing to impede the investigation, he cooperated fully with it.
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I applaud your efforts in defense of trump but I'd rather see more of the report myself … I have issues with proven liars & so should you...
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