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Apr 19, 2019 18:05:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Squiddiddler wrote:
Barr, and Trump, and his t***h-indifferent supporters, all owe Mueller an apology.

Semper Fi, Mr. Mueller


Apparently if you are Marine, active or not, you belong to some sort of Ubermensch brotherhood, untouchable and above reproach. If you are a war hero, you are an Immortal on a pedestal. John McCain comes to mind.

But putting aside Robert Mueller's heroism in Vietnam, he has a shady record in his years as US Attorney and FBI director--the details of his past malfeasance stretch over the whole of his career in the DOJ. But we cannot under any circumstance consider that, it simply has no bearing on this issue. What is important, even critical, is to dig up all the dirt that can be found on President Trump, past or present. The s**t dumped on him dates back 20 or 30 years. The s**t Mueller dumped on American citizens extends back over 30 years.

Mueller's past record while serving in federal office is irrelevant, while Trump's entire life is on the chopping block.

Also irrelevant is the incestuous affair among the major players in launching the special counsel investigation. The principal ones are Comey, Rosenstein and Mueller, they are long time buds, worked together off and on in the DOJ.

Under director Comey, the FBI investigated the Hillary email scandal. Then Comey went public and exonerated her. (Irrelevant is the fact that Obama made the decision that Hillary be exonerated and so Comey drafted her exoneration months before the FBI interviewed her and the investigation was complete.) He assumed authority he did not have and acted as judge and jury. He redefined legal terms, gross negligence became no intent of wrongdoing.

With Hillary off the hook, she and the DNC colluded with Comey and his inner circle of political hacks. Through a couple of middle men, the Clinton campaign and the DNC commissioned the commercial research and strategic intelligence firm Fusion GPS and the law firm Perkins Coie to engage the services of a former foreign intelligence service agent to seek evidence of Trump malfeasance and sordid activities in Moscow. The Hillary campaign and the DNC paid this agent $130,000 for his work. Working with his Russian contacts, the agent produced what is now infamously known as the Steele Dossier.

With his signature on a FISA warrant application, Comey used the Steele dossier as the primary evidentiary instrument to obtain the warrant. Comey later admitted that the info in the dossier was "unverified". IOW, he submitted questionable evidence to the FISA court. This of course falls under the legal headings of "FISA abuse" and "lying to the court." The FISA warrant was renewed 3 times, Deputy AG Rosenstein signed the first renewal.

10 Key Takeaways From The Released FISA Warrants Against Carter Page

After the FISA court issued the warrant to the FBI, Dpty AG Rosenstein sent a memo to President Trump recommending director Comey's dismissal. President Trump accepted the recommendation and fired him. Comey took a hit for the team. This was the setup.

Rosenstein, as acting AG, then appointed his old pal Mueller as special counsel. An AG, or acting AG, cannot appoint a Principal Officer to federal service. Mueller, as special counsel, was an inferior officer with limited authority, his original mandate was to conduct a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal one. Rosenstein's duty in this was to supervise the special counsel investigation. This he did not do, rather he handed Mueller Carte Blanche and a blank check, then pretty much stayed in the background or washed his hands of the affair.

Mueller drew his team of investigators from a pool of liberal, pro-Hillary attorneys, his principal hit man was Weissman, a seriously hard core l*****t who h**ed Trump with a passion. And, almost immediately the investigation morphed into a criminal one. Mueller's team went after any and everyone who had ever had any dealings with Donald Trump, even indicting Russian entities.

Other members in this incestuous affair were Dpty FBI director Andrew McCabe, Peter Strozk and Lisa Page, Bruce and Nellie Ohr (dear old Nellie worked for Fusion GPS).

Books have been written and are already on the shelves detailing the greatest political scandal in American history.

So, yeah, Semper Fi, do or die, k**l, k**l k**l.

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Apr 19, 2019 18:16:18   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
True enough, W.C., except for some posts from earlier days on OPP, where you admitted to being both a r****t and xenophobe. To my knowledge, you've never given any reason for me to think differently. Keep in mind, also, that it is I who has tried (in vain) to meet with you for a better idea of who and what you really are like. What better way to see how weak and malleable my mind is

Thanks for the response, Mr. Peanut. It's good you're starting to come out of your shell.
True enough, W.C., except for some posts from earl... (show quote)


You're welcome Goober.

It's always a pleasure to respond to the vulnerable and misguided left.

That's my whole purpose for being here on OPP.

To shine light on the misfortunes of those who have been neutered by the media and the democrat party.

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Apr 19, 2019 20:06:09   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You're welcome Goober.

It's always a pleasure to respond to the vulnerable and misguided left.

That's my whole purpose for being here on OPP.

To shine light on the misfortunes of those who have been neutered by the media and the democrat party.


Given the history of your seeming machismo being unfortunately misled and manipulated by President Trump and his right-wing propaganda machinations, that's highly unlikely.

But, go ahead Mr. Peanut, and keep exhibiting your naivete' and/or ignorance. I take pleasure in pointing out the unintended effect of your being on OPP, and you're doing marvelously well.

You take care, W.C.

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Apr 19, 2019 22:00:34   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Given the history of your seeming machismo being unfortunately misled and manipulated by President Trump and his right-wing propaganda machinations, that's highly unlikely.

But, go ahead Mr. Peanut, and keep exhibiting your naivete' and/or ignorance. I take pleasure in pointing out the unintended effect of your being on OPP, and you're doing marvelously well.

You take care, W.C.
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You seem to forget that you believed me to be a r****t xenophobe long before we ever knew that Trump would run for president.

But since you poor Goobers blame all of your troubles on Trump, I can understand why you are unable accept that no matter how much you complain, Trump is still in your face and president of the United States.

You may as well get used to it...........................Goober.

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Apr 19, 2019 22:29:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
slatten49 wrote:
Given the history of your seeming machismo being unfortunately misled and manipulated by President Trump and his right-wing propaganda machinations, that's highly unlikely.

But, go ahead Mr. Peanut, and keep exhibiting your naivete' and/or ignorance. I take pleasure in pointing out the unintended effect of your being on OPP, and you're doing marvelously well.

You take care, W.C.
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You say you are a United States Marine, a Nam vet, and for that I salute you. Semper Fi!. I have no reason not to believe you, but what puzzles me is that you swore the oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States, yet here you are fully immersed in an ideology, a political philosophy, that is undoubtedly alien to the principles of our nation's founding, in fact it is quite hostile toward it. To me, it is paradoxical, self-contradictory, that you would adopt such a position. They say, "once a Marine, always a Marine." Apparently, that is not necessarily the case.

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Apr 19, 2019 22:50:59   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
By Michael.Daly

Two days before the 50th anniversary of Robert Mueller being seriously wounded while leading his platoon against a numerically superior enemy in Vietnam, his latest service to the nation was released in the form of the Special Counsel’s Report.

In a morning press conference before the release, Attorney General William Barr seemed to give a friend of three decades his due after two years of lies and slander by our president.

“I would also like to thank Special Counsel Mueller for his service and the thoroughness of his investigation, particularly his work exposing the nature of Russia’s attempts to interfere in our e*******l process,” Barr said.

A few breaths later, Barr committed one of the great public betrayals of our history. The country’s most senior law enforcement officer actually sought to justify President Trump’s mendacious attacks against Mueller and the investigation he had been appointed to conduct.

“As the special counsel’s report acknowledges, there is substantial evidence to show that the president was frustrated and angered by a sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents, and fueled by illegal leaks,” Barr said.

In fact, the report acknowledges no such thing.

What the report does demonstrate is that Mueller conducted an exceedingly fair, determinedly thorough investigation.

Just as he had on the battlefield a half century ago, Mueller performed brilliantly.

His one mistake was to trust his supposed friend Barr.

To call Barr a human hedgehog would be unfair if the resemblance were confined to his appearance. But he also shares a hedgehog’s unique “self-anointing,” a behavior that involves licking an object whose smell the creature finds attractive until it works up a froth that it then rubs on itself.

Barr must have worked up considerable froth in the presence of the president. He smelled like pure Trump on March 24, when he offered a four-page document that was was supposed to be an honest appraisal of the evidence Mueller so carefully gathered under such trying circumstances.

Barr reeked of The Donald when he subsequently spoke of the FBI “spying” on the Trump campaign.
During his public betrayal of Mueller at Thursday’s press conference, Barr twice said there was “no collusion.” He implicitly excused even Trump’s demonstrable lies concerning an effort to fire Mueller because of fictitious “conflicts.”

As he exonerated Trump, Barr failed to note that page two of Volume II of the very document he was releasing states, “While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

The report further states, “If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.”

Mueller apparently did not foresee that Barr would effectively see Trump exonerated anyway. Mueller also did not likely anticipate that when releasing the report, Barr would say Trump’s behavior must be put “in context” and accepted.

The report documents that Trump lied, lied, and lied again—and pressured his subordinates to do the same.

The true source of the frustration and anger that Barr describes was partly the refusal of several staffers to be as unprincipled as their president.

The most prominent of those who stood up to the president was White House Counsel Don McGahn, nephew of the late Atlantic City lawyer/fixer Paddy McGahn. The uncle cleared the way for Trump’s casinos and the nephew might therefore have been expected to be situationally flexible. But the uncle was also a thrice-wounded Marine and recipient of the Navy Cross. The report describes the nephew as responding more like a Marine than a fixer/lawyer.

The big test for Don McGahn came after Trump instructed him to have Mueller fired for supposed “conflicts,” in June 2017. Mueller would subsequently find himself in the bizarre position of investigating an attempt to stop him from investigating.

“The president cited as conflicts that Mueller had interviewed for the FBI Director position shortly before being appointed as special counsel, that he had worked for a law firm that represented people affiliated with the president, and that Mueller had disputed certain fees relating to his membership in a Trump golf course in Northern Virginia,” the report notes.

The report adds that Steve Bannon told Trump the purported conflicts were “ridiculous.” Mueller had never been interviewed for the FBI Director. He had not represented any Trump people, even if others at his very large law firm had.

As for the supposed golf course fee dispute, the report says: “In October 2011, Mueller resigned his family’s membership from Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Virginia, in a letter that noted that, ‘We live in the District and find that we are unable to make full use of the Club,’ and that inquired ‘whether we would be entitled to a refund of a portion of our initial membership fee,’ which was paid in 1994.”

The report adds, “About two weeks later , the controller of the club responded that the Muellers’ resignation would be effective Oct. 31, 2011, and that they would be ‘placed on a waitlist to be refunded on a first resigned / first refunded basis...’ The Muellers have not had further contact with the club.”

McGahn said he would quit rather than fire Mueller on fictitious grounds, and went so far as to pack up his office. Trump relented, and that might have been that, had the “f**e news” not reported the t***h.

“In early 2018, the press reported that the president had directed McGahn to have the special counsel removed in June 2017 and that McGahn had threatened to resign rather than carry out the order,” the report says. “The president reacted to the news stories by directing White House officials to tell McGahn to dispute the story and create a record stating he had not been ordered to have the special counsel removed. McGahn told those officials that the media reports were accurate in stating that the president had directed McGahn to have the special counsel removed. The president then met with McGahn in the Oval Office and again pressured him to deny the reports.”

The report continues, “The president asked McGahn whether he would ‘do a correction,’ and McGahn said no.

“The president also asked McGahn in the meeting why he had told Special Counsel’s Office investigators that the president had told him to have the special counsel removed. McGahn responded that he had to, and that his conversations with the president were not protected by attorney-client privilege.”

Trump inquired about McGahn’s habit of jotting down what was said during meetings with him. The report says, “The president then asked, ‘What about these notes? Why do you take notes? Lawyers don't take notes. I never had a lawyer who took notes.’ McGahn responded that he keeps notes because he is a ‘real lawyer’ and explained that notes create a record and are not a bad thing. The president said, ‘I’ve had a lot of great lawyers, like Roy Cohn. He did not take notes.’ ”

Anybody who was around Roy Cohn knew that he did not want to be hampered by a record and that he always sought to make the t***h wh**ever best suited him at the moment. And Cohn was not just Trump’s lawyer; he was young Donald’s mentor.

To read the litany of Trump’s lies as detailed in the Mueller report is to feel that Cohn’s spirit has risen from the crypt in Queens that he shares with his mother. Trump also lies about the successful firing of FBI Director James Comey.

Then there are the lies about the Mueller investigation itself. The report describes a moment on the south lawn last August: “In an impromptu exchange with reporters that lasted approximately five minutes, the president twice called the special counsel’s investigation a ‘r****d witch hunt.’ ”

So said the president who sought to rig the firing of a resolutely honest prosecutor.

At another moment, the report says, “The president described the special counsel’s investigation as ‘a witch hunt that ends in disgrace.’ ”

The actual disgrace belongs to Trump and to Barr.

In assuming the scent of the president, the human hedgehog seems to have also assumed the scent of Trump’s mentor. Cohn spoke endlessly about loyalty, but was always ready to betray a friend.
In Barr’s case, that is Mueller, whose only big mistake in the investigation was trusting him.

It’s nearly 50 years since Mueller led his platoon from potential disaster, despite a bullet wound to the thigh. This is one of the qualities that has long made America great. Barr, and Trump, and his t***h-indifferent supporters, all owe Mueller an apology.

Semper Fi, Mr. Mueller
By Michael.Daly br br Two days before the 50th ... (show quote)


Did Barr in any way, shape or form alter the report?? No and heck no! Who redacted? Mostly the Mueller team, that's who. But others were involved. They all know the unredacted report will eventually find it's way out, and Barr will still be the saint he is! LOL!!!!!

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Apr 19, 2019 23:55:06   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
[quote=Wolf counselor]"You seem to forget that you believed me to be a r****t xenophobe long before we ever knew that Trump would run for president."

>Actually, I mentioned in a previous post to having read your admitting to being a r****t/xenophobe, and it was well before he announced. So, apparently, I didn't forget. And, there was already much evidence in your previous posts to take you at your word...feigned or otherwise.

"But since you poor Goobers blame all of your troubles on Trump, I can understand why you are unable accept that no matter how much you complain, Trump is still in your face and president of the United States."

>Sorry to disappoint you, but I have no troubles of which to speak. Besides, I professed (soon after his announcement) to having minimum regard for Trump the man and certainly do with Trump as President. Yet, just as I have managed through all previous administrations, I will Trump's, also. For, just as you once similarly boasted, I will survive at worst or thrive at best all political results.

"You may as well get used to it...........................Goober."

>I wouldn't give too much thought as to worrying about me, Mr. Peanut. I'm personally doing just fine.

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Apr 20, 2019 00:33:01   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You say you are a United States Marine, a Nam vet, and for that I salute you. Semper Fi!. I have no reason not to believe you, but what puzzles me is that you swore the oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States, yet here you are fully immersed in an ideology, a political philosophy, that is undoubtedly alien to the principles of our nation's founding, in fact it is quite hostile toward it. To me, it is paradoxical, self-contradictory, that you would adopt such a position. They say, "once a Marine, always a Marine." Apparently, that is not necessarily the case.
You say you are a United States Marine, a Nam vet,... (show quote)

Sorry, Blade, but you'll just have to accept (or not) that I remain as dev**ed to our nation and its founding documents as I was on the day of taking my oath to defend them fifty-two years ago this year.

SEMPER FI "The change is forever."

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Apr 20, 2019 01:18:46   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
slatten49 wrote:
Sorry, Blade, but you'll just have to accept (or not) that I remain as dev**ed to our nation and its founding documents as I was on the day of taking my oath to defend them fifty-two years ago this year.

SEMPER FI "The change is forever."
If you are committed to a political philosophy that is decidedly diametrically opposed to our founding principles, how can you justify loyalty to both?

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Apr 20, 2019 05:16:23   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Actually, I mentioned in a previous post to having read your admitting to being a r****t/xenophobe, and it was well before he announced. So, apparently, I didn't forget. And, there was already much evidence in your previous posts to take you at your word...feigned or otherwise.

"But since you poor Goobers blame all of your troubles on Trump, I can understand why you are unable accept that no matter how much you complain, Trump is still in your face and president of the United States."

>Sorry to disappoint you, but I have no troubles of which to speak. Besides, I professed (soon after his announcement) to having minimum regard for Trump the man and certainly do with Trump as President. Yet, just as I have managed through all previous administrations, I will Trump's, also. For, just as you once similarly boasted, I will survive at worst or thrive at best all political results.

"You may as well get used to it...........................Goober."

>I wouldn't give too much thought as to worrying about me, Mr. Peanut. I'm personally doing just fine.
Actually, I mentioned in a previous post to havin... (show quote)


If you were doing " just fine ", you wouldn't be blubbering and complaining about your president every day of the week.

You and Maxine Waters must be joined at the hip.

While you're so angry at president Trump, and spellbound by the media, your reputation as a war hero is suffering.

No self respecting military man would join i***ts like Maxine Waters and the rest of the radical Democrat jackanapes.

And no self respecting Texan would oppose a secure border or be suckered by the l*****t media.

You sure sound like 'f**e news' to me............................ Goober.



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Apr 20, 2019 05:42:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If you are committed to a political philosophy that is decidedly diametrically opposed to our founding principles, how can you justify loyalty to both?


I have yet to see Slatten advocate for socialism or anything that would run contrary to the founding principles of the US...

Could you be more specific in Yours accusations?
Or do you consider a dislike of Trump to be "decidedly diametrically opposed to our founding principles"?

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Apr 20, 2019 05:47:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
If you were doing " just fine ", you wouldn't be blubbering and complaining about your president every day of the week.

You and Maxine Waters must be joined at the hip.

While you're so angry at president Trump, and spellbound by the media, your reputation as a war hero is suffering.

No self respecting military man would join i***ts like Maxine Waters and the rest of the radical Democrat jackanapes.

And no self respecting Texan would oppose a secure border or be suckered by the l*****t media.

You sure sound like 'f**e news' to me............................ Goober.
If you were doing " just fine ", you wou... (show quote)


To date I have not observed Slatten blubbering or complaining about Trump...

A reputation for valor does not suffer by upholding the rights the individual fought to protect...

Nor have I seen Slatten advocate for any of the radical policies the far left has offered... Try not to generalize....

I am unfamiliar with his every post, but have not heard Slatten advocate for open boarders..

L*****t media makes for some excellent talking points... Which Slatten has provided on numerous occasions... I quite enjoy the issues he brings up...

Of course I believe most of them are refutable... But I am more right than center... So that stands to reason...

Hope you are well today WC

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Apr 20, 2019 07:27:20   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If you are committed to a political philosophy that is decidedly diametrically opposed to our founding principles, how can you justify loyalty to both?

Respectfully, Blade: Believe as you will, but you're decidedly wrong.

I wish for you a great day. At some point in time today, we are expecting Family.

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Apr 20, 2019 07:41:20   #
Rose42
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If you are committed to a political philosophy that is decidedly diametrically opposed to our founding principles, how can you justify loyalty to both?


He could be committed to the principles the democrats once held. I recall him saying he wrote in a candidate last p**********l e******n. Many who belong to a party don’t necessarily agree with the entire platform.

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Apr 20, 2019 08:00:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
If you were doing " just fine ", you wouldn't be blubbering and complaining about your president every day of the week.

You and Maxine Waters must be joined at the hip.

While you're so angry at president Trump, and spellbound by the media, your reputation as a war hero is suffering.

No self respecting military man would join i***ts like Maxine Waters and the rest of the radical Democrat jackanapes.

And no self respecting Texan would oppose a secure border or be suckered by the l*****t media.

You sure sound like 'f**e news' to me............................ Goober.
If you were doing " just fine ", you wou... (show quote)


How to best respond to your h**efully hyperbolic and nonsensical rhetoric.

First, I don't "blubber," and challenge you to present examples of my doing so in the true sense. Posting opinions contrary to other mindsets is part & parcel of a debate/discussion forum.

I also challenge you to present on example of my praising, siding with or defending Maxine Waters. I can't recall any point in my time on OPP where I did. You're, once again, just wrongly assuming.

I have never considered myself a "hero," but simply a proud American who had the opportunity to serve his country and did so honorably. In fact, I don't know any Vet who considers himself a hero. None of us can control what we are labeled as, whether good or bad.

Respectfully, I believe your experience with the military has to do with your brothers' having honorably served. I salute them and your support of them and all military.

I can assure you, in checking my posts, you will not find examples of my supporting 'open borders.' My stance has been to close and restrict the borders by aggressively enforcing current laws on the books.

I do appreciate your use of the term 'jackanapes.' It is not often heard, and I've always liked it.

Now, go back to your safe-place and stew in your vile juices as you concoct more f**e news.

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