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Mueller Report Thoroughly Indicts Trump
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Apr 19, 2019 10:42:22   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
rebob14 wrote:
Really! It’s nothing more than priming Pablum for the next round of prog base station keeping. This entire “debate” resembles nothing so much as sixth grade girls vying for being most popular.......demeaning and d********g for the country!

Thank you for a vaunted sixth-grade girl's opinion.

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Apr 19, 2019 10:52:40   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
padremike wrote:
Have you taken a good hard look at the characters your Progressive Party has elected lately? Your party is like a bunch of monkeys trying to molest a football. They're absolutely nuts!


compaired to Trump they are sane

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Apr 19, 2019 10:53:59   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Mueller didn't charge Trump — but his report is a brutal indictment

Jonathan Allen

President Donald Trump has evaded criminal charges — but special counsel Robert Mueller’s report is a brutal indictment of his campaign and his presidency.

The first volume of the two-part, 448-page report details how Trump and his allies solicited, encouraged, accepted and benefited from the assistance provided by America's most storied foreign adversary as part of a multi-front assault on American democracy.

The other lays out comprehensive evidence that the president may have obstructed justice through what Mueller described as a "pattern of conduct" that included firing FBI Director Jim Comey, trying to remove Mueller, publicly praising and condemning witnesses, and seeking to limit the scope of the probe.

Taken in sum, Mueller's findings reveal three years of actions by Trump and his subordinates that critics say rattle the very foundations of the American system of governance, from the sacrosanct nature of democratic e******ns to the idea that no man, not even the president, is above the law.

The story, in even its most sympathetic telling, is one of a president who used nearly every power vested in his office and his persona — including hiring and firing, the bully pulpit, party loyalty, private intimidation, and disinformation — to cover up ties between his campaign and Russia so that he could spare himself the public humiliation of having won an e******n that wasn't entirely on the level.

Of the marquee reports written for Congress over the decades about p**********l scandals, the Mueller report will stand out for the brazenness of the chief executive — and for the degree to which insubordination among his underlings reined him in, if only at the margins.

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” Mueller wrote. “Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

Only an hour or so before the report was rolled out, Attorney General William Barr, who was picked for his job after writing that a president cannot obstruct justice, said that the report found "no collusion" between Trump and Russia — an expression that Mueller painstakingly explained in the report is of no legal consequence. It is, however, a favorite term of art of one Donald J. Trump.

Some of Trump's allies on Capitol Hill were satisfied, without reading the report, that Trump came out a clear winner — exonerated because he was not prosecuted.

"We know the conclusions of the #MuellerReport: No collusion, no further indictments," Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, tweeted. "It's over. We also know the spin, and we know that many people will still claim the President is guilty. I'll be reading the report in its entirety. No spin, just facts."

But Democrats saw in Mueller's report a delineation between the powers afforded the executive and legislative branches when it comes to judging the actions of a president.

Trump's own employees, including Barr and Mueller, did not move forward with a prosecution — indeed, Mueller wrote that he determined Justice Department guidance precluded him from doing so. But he also noted that Congress, which does not report to the president, has its own set of powers.

"The acts of obstruction of justice, whether they are criminal or not, are deeply alarming in the president of the United States," House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said Thursday. "And it's clear that special counsel Mueller wanted the Congress to consider the repercussions and the consequences."

Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said Mueller had laid out a "roadmap" for Congress.

It's hard to fathom how a lengthy report in the public domain is better for Trump than the top-line declaration of a clean bill of health he got from Attorney General William Barr a few weeks ago. And there will be plenty more public discussion of the details of Mueller's findings. Already, the special counsel has been invited to Capitol Hill to testify about his conclusions.

Democrats will no doubt use their power in the House to extract as much political pain from Trump as possible and do so while making the case that they are simply standing up for small-"d" democratic values.
And while the political bar for removing Trump is likely insurmountable — it would take 20 Republicans and all 47 Senate Democrats to oust him — the behavior chronicled by Mueller towers over that of the standard set by the House for impeachment of President Bill Clinton on obstruction articles, according to experts.

Kim Wehle, a law professor at the University of Baltimore who investigated Clinton as part of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's team, said beyond that the Trump case is "infinitely more serious" than the one she worked on.

"Here we've got a hostile foreign power and the evidence is overwhelming that their objective was to attack our free and fair process," she said.

Frank O. Bowman III, a professor at the University of Missouri School of Law and author of the forthcoming book "High Crimes and Misdemeanors: A History of Impeachment for the Age of Trump" said the Mueller report suggests the president committed impeachable offenses.

"The issue for impeachment is not whether a criminal statute was violated but whether a president engaged in a pattern of activity inconsistent with his obligation to take care that the law be faithfully executed and instead sought to use his authority to undercut the institutions and norms of the justice system to benefit himself," he said. "The second half of the Mueller report strongly supports such a conclusion as to Trump."

Bowman said Trump's conduct tracked with that of President Richard Nixon, but that the refusal of Trump's subordinates to follow his orders — very likely with the Nixon example in mind — may end up saving the president politically.

"The fact that they refused doesn't change the constitutional impeachment calculus at all," he said. "Still, the fact that he was so often restrained will make it easy for Republicans in Congress to wave off his otherwise impeachable behavior."

If that's the case, the question of whether Mueller's findings render Trump unfit for office will rest with the jury he's always wanted: the v**ers. But the special counsel's report is an indelible testament to the president's weakness in seeking Russian aid and in deceiving the nation about it.
Mueller didn't charge Trump — but his report is a ... (show quote)
T***slation...If we bray loud enough, and long enough, maybe we can postpone the investigation of the Obama/Clinton/FBI/CIA cabal until it no longer matters. Good luck with that.

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Apr 19, 2019 10:55:30   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
jimpack123 wrote:
compaired to Trump they are sane


Thank you for a vaunted sixth-grade girl's opinion........ or wh**ever!

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Apr 19, 2019 10:58:45   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Thank you for a vaunted sixth-grade girl's opinion........ or wh**ever!

Thanks, Padre. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Or, maybe not.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:10:54   #
Pingoo
 
There was no crime, otherwise, President Trump would have been tried, convicted and jailed a long time ago; without spending 30 million dollars. Consequently, without a crime, what is Trump obstructing? Could he be trying to cover up his own innocence? HaHaHaHa, fools!!!

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Apr 19, 2019 11:11:04   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thanks, Padre. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Or, maybe not.


It was sincerely repeated as a form of flattery.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:14:19   #
Pingoo
 
I've experienced C*******m, perhaps you should live with the people in Venezuela or Cuba and see how it and the lies agree with you. In any event, you're still a fool and do not merit a reply. Have a beautiful life as a follower!

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Apr 19, 2019 11:15:52   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
It was sincerely repeated as a form of flattery.

From one gentleman to another: Gratefully and graciously accepted

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Apr 19, 2019 11:22:42   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Pingoo wrote:
I've experienced C*******m, perhaps you should live with the people in Venezuela or Cuba and see how it and the lies agree with you. In any event, you're still a fool and do not merit a reply. Have a beautiful life as a follower!

Thanks for your non-replies, after writing they weren't merited.

Please hit 'quote reply' beneath the post/poster to whom you are responding. That way, all will recognize the recipient of your wit, humor and wisdom, or lack thereof.

BTW, welcome to OPP...enjoy the ride

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Apr 19, 2019 11:30:15   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
T***slation...If we bray loud enough, and long enough, maybe we can postpone the investigation of the Obama/Clinton/FBI/CIA cabal until it no longer matters. Good luck with that.


there will be no investigation of OBAMA/ CLINTON/ FBI/CIA as there is nothing to investigate. Ronald Regan is rolling over in his grave. at the current GOP shambles

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Apr 19, 2019 11:45:35   #
Blackie
 
I may be wrong, but I think a lot of people are missing something very important in comparing this administration with the former one. That is, the caliber of people he has appointed to high government offices. I do believe this is one of the stronger points of this president. I think his choices of federal judges is exceptional compared to previous administrations.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:56:53   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
jimpack123 wrote:
there will be no investigation of OBAMA/ CLINTON/ FBI/CIA as there is nothing to investigate. Ronald Regan is rolling over in his grave. at the current GOP shambles


The so called "shambles" within the GOP and the very real "shambles" in our nation each have the same root cause, namely out of control, do nothing but destroy Trump Progressives. There will be a reckoning!

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Apr 19, 2019 12:02:31   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
jimpack123 wrote:
there will be no investigation of OBAMA/ CLINTON/ FBI/CIA as there is nothing to investigate. Ronald Regan is rolling over in his grave. at the current GOP shambles
Nothing to investigate! Now who's drinking the Koolaid?

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Apr 19, 2019 12:21:30   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
padremike wrote:
The so called "shambles" within the GOP and the very real "shambles" in our nation each have the same root cause, namely out of control, do nothing but destroy Trump Progressives. There will be a reckoning!


yes November of 2020 when we the PEOPLE stand with a loud a clear voice saying no more to POTUS TRUMP
Hopefully the GOP gets v**ed out of the senate also

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