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Apr 18, 2019 18:40:40   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
John Dean, the former White House counsel for President Nixon, said Thursday that special counsel Robert Mueller's report was "more damning" than the Watergate report.

"I looked on my shelf for the Senate Watergate Committee report, I looked at the Iran Contra report. I also looked at the Ken Starr report," Dean said on CNN's "The Lead."

"In 400 words, this report from the special counsel is more damning than all those reports about a president, this is really a devastating report."

The Department of Justice on Thursday released a redacted copy of Mueller's report on his investigation into possible collusion between President Trump's campaign and Russia.

The report did not uncover evidence to conclude that Trump's 2016 campaign coordinated with Russia in efforts to interfere in the p**********l e******n.

Mueller was also unable to "conclusively determine" that no criminal conduct occurred in regard to obstruction of justice.

"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," the report states.

While the Justice Department concluded that the evidence in the report was insufficient to establish obstruction of justice, Dean said Thursday that he thought the violation was clear.

"As far as obstruction goes, this is clear obstruction," Dean said. "The obstruction statute is an endeavor statute ... if you endeavor to obstruct you've violated the obstruction statute."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-nixon-white-house-counsel-mueller-report-more-damning-than-watergate/ar-BBW52uw?ocid=sparta
John Dean, the former White House counsel for Pres... (show quote)


Is this the same John Dean who was "The Master Manipulator Of The Nixon Cover Up", who made a plea agreement and got a reduced prison sentence? Also a CNN darling?

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Apr 18, 2019 18:54:17   #
Gatsby
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-mueller-report-thoroughly-indicts-trump-193651086.html

Rick Newman, Yahoo Finance. April 18, 2019

Special counsel Robert Mueller found no evidence linking President Donald Trump to any crimes involving Russian interference with the 2016 U.S. e******n. And he declined to prosecute Trump for obstructing justice or interfering with prosecutors investigating the Russian interference.

But the 448-page Mueller report contains numerous damning details of Trump asking subordinates to obstruct justice on his behalf, condoning other people’s crimes, covering up facts, telling people to lie and lying himself. Trump may avoid prosecution, but critics will feast for years on the mendacity Mueller revealed. Even some Trump supporters may question their fealty to a president now revealed to operate like a mob boss, except with poorer judgment.

Anybody interested in Mueller’s findings should read the report for themselves. It’s a complicated document with threads that partisans can spin almost any way they want. And the overarching narrative is confounding, because Trump repeatedly sought ways to quash an investigation into a crime he apparently didn’t commit. Trump acted guilty of something Mueller himself found no evidence of.

It’s good news that the Trump campaign did not work deliberately with Russia during the 2016 e******n. Yet, there were numerous contacts between Trump campaign officials and representatives of Russia, with nobody from the campaign ever thinking to tell the FBI about them. Maybe Trump acted guilty because he realized at some point that his campaign’s contacts with Russia were fishy, at a minimum, and might look a lot worse than that to a zealous prosecutor.

How did Trump act guilty? Some of his paranoia was on public display, through the recurring “witch hunt” tweets and statements meant to discredit the Mueller investigation before we knew anything about its findings. And Trump seemed to publicly threaten witnesses such as Michael Cohen, who might testify against him.

Trump went much further than that, as the Mueller report now reveals. On June 14, 2017, according to the Mueller report, Trump called White House Counsel Donald McGahn and told him to have Justice Department leadership fire Mueller — which probably would have been obstruction of justice. McGahn declined to do that, one of several times people around Trump prevented overt crimes from happening. “The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful,” the Mueller report states, “but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”

After McGahn refused to have Mueller fired, Trump tried to have former campaign aide Corey Lewandowski pass a message to former Attorney General Jeff Sessions about Mueller. Trump wanted Sessions to publicly exonerate him of any crimes, and to limit the Mueller investigation so it excluded investigation into Trump’s personal behavior. Lewandowsky didn’t want to deliver the message and tried to get a White House advisor to do it. Neither delivered the message to Sessions, who apparently never got it.

In June 2017, news organizations began to learn of the now-notorious meeting at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, between representatives of the Russian government and Trump campaign officials, including Trump’s son Don, Jr. That meeting was about compromising information Russia had obtained on Hillary Clinton, Trump’s general-e******n opponent, which Russia offered to share with the Trump campaign. But once news of that meeting broke a year later, Trump told press aids to lie to news organizations, saying the meeting was really about policies toward adopting Russian babies.

“Each of these efforts by the President involved his communication team and was directed at the press,” the Mueller report found. “They would amount to obstructive acts only if the President, by taking those actions, sought to withhold information from or mislead congressional investigators of the Special Counsel.” Lying to the media, in other words, isn’t a crime, so Trump is off the hook on that one, too.

In January 2018, press reports recounted Trump’s effort to have McGahn get Mueller fired seven months earlier. That story was accurate, but Trump, through a personal lawyer, asked McGahn to put out a statement denying what had, in fact, taken place. Trump, in other words, asked McGahn to lie, so Trump wouldn’t look bad. McGahn refused.

‘President knew Cohen provided false testimony’'

It’s also not a crime, evidently, if you knowingly let somebody else commit perjury on your behalf. Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer, pled guilty to lying to Congress about Trump’s pursuit of a real-estate project in Russia, saying the project ended by January 2016 when in fact it continued until at least June 2016. Cohen told Congress earlier this year that Trump knew Cohen would be lying and did nothing to discourage him.

The Mueller report corroborates that. “There is evidence … that the President knew Cohen provided false testimony to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow project,” the Mueller report said. But “the evidence available to us does not establish that the President directed or aided Cohen's false testimony.”

Once Cohen began cooperating with prosecutors, Trump publicly called Cohen a “rat” and made what sounded like veiled threats of government legal action against his family. Obstruction? Here’s what Mueller found: “The President's statements insinuating that members of Cohen's family committed crimes after Cohen began cooperating with the government could be viewed as an effort to retaliate against Cohen and chill further testimony adverse to the President by Cohen or others.” There’s some evidence of a crime, in other words. Yet, Mueller still felt this didn’t reach the threshold required for prosecution.

There are many more examples in the Mueller report of Trump behaving in ways that might sound illegal to ordinary people, but don’t rise to what seems to be a very high Justice Department bar for prosecuting the president. Partisans, pundits, legal experts and historians will debate Mueller’s findings for a long time, and v**ers will of course get to render their own judgment once the 2020 e******n finally rolls around.

At a simpler level, however, the Mueller report reveals behavior many Americans would not normally tolerate in business executives, educators, religious leaders, local politicians or their own family members. Trump may not have committed crimes he can be prosecuted for. But he came damn close, and another prosecutor might have been less deferential. No wonder Trump tried to k**l the Mueller investigation.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-mueller-report-... (show quote)


There will be no impeachment, the "Mueller Gambit" failed.

Democrats went all in on Mueller, protect Mueller at all costs they cried, and Mueller craped out on them.

Next up is DOJ IG Horowitz's report on the FISA warrant application for Carter Page, coming in June.

The shoe is now on the other foot, and Trump hits BACK!

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Apr 18, 2019 19:03:49   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Is this the same John Dean who was "The Master Manipulator Of The Nixon Cover Up", who made a plea agreement and got a reduced prison sentence? Also a CNN darling?


Former President Nixon White House counsel John Dean said Attorney General William Barr's planned news conference ahead of the Mueller report release was a "conspicuous effort to try to frame the report" and says it is "reminiscent of Watergate."

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Apr 18, 2019 19:04:30   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Gatsby wrote:
There will be no impeachment, the "Mueller Gambit" failed.

Democrats went all in on Mueller, protect Mueller at all costs they cried, and Mueller craped out on them.

Next up is DOJ IG Horowitz's report on the FISA warrant application for Carter Page, coming in June.

The shoe is now on the other foot, and Trump hits BACK!

We shall see, as time will tell.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:11:18   #
Rose42
 
Thoroughly indicts? Maybe. We'll see. I'd like to know sooner rather than later. The guessing games don't interest me too much.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:16:44   #
debeda
 
Rose42 wrote:
Thoroughly indicts? Maybe. We'll see. I'd like to know sooner rather than later. The guessing games don't interest me too much.


I'm going to read it myself when I have the time. It's on the barnes and noble website. Honestly I see all this as phase 3 of the left's ongoing tantrum about President Trump being elected.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:17:27   #
Liberty Tree
 
Gatsby wrote:
There will be no impeachment, the "Mueller Gambit" failed.

Democrats went all in on Mueller, protect Mueller at all costs they cried, and Mueller craped out on them.

Next up is DOJ IG Horowitz's report on the FISA warrant application for Carter Page, coming in June.

The shoe is now on the other foot, and Trump hits BACK!


You know the Democrats are not going to give up. On to r****d House Committee hearings.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:31:23   #
plainlogic
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-mueller-report-thoroughly-indicts-trump-193651086.html

Rick Newman, Yahoo Finance. April 18, 2019

Special counsel Robert Mueller found no evidence linking President Donald Trump to any crimes involving Russian interference with the 2016 U.S. e******n. And he declined to prosecute Trump for obstructing justice or interfering with prosecutors investigating the Russian interference.

But the 448-page Mueller report contains numerous damning details of Trump asking subordinates to obstruct justice on his behalf, condoning other people’s crimes, covering up facts, telling people to lie and lying himself. Trump may avoid prosecution, but critics will feast for years on the mendacity Mueller revealed. Even some Trump supporters may question their fealty to a president now revealed to operate like a mob boss, except with poorer judgment.

Anybody interested in Mueller’s findings should read the report for themselves. It’s a complicated document with threads that partisans can spin almost any way they want. And the overarching narrative is confounding, because Trump repeatedly sought ways to quash an investigation into a crime he apparently didn’t commit. Trump acted guilty of something Mueller himself found no evidence of.

It’s good news that the Trump campaign did not work deliberately with Russia during the 2016 e******n. Yet, there were numerous contacts between Trump campaign officials and representatives of Russia, with nobody from the campaign ever thinking to tell the FBI about them. Maybe Trump acted guilty because he realized at some point that his campaign’s contacts with Russia were fishy, at a minimum, and might look a lot worse than that to a zealous prosecutor.

How did Trump act guilty? Some of his paranoia was on public display, through the recurring “witch hunt” tweets and statements meant to discredit the Mueller investigation before we knew anything about its findings. And Trump seemed to publicly threaten witnesses such as Michael Cohen, who might testify against him.

Trump went much further than that, as the Mueller report now reveals. On June 14, 2017, according to the Mueller report, Trump called White House Counsel Donald McGahn and told him to have Justice Department leadership fire Mueller — which probably would have been obstruction of justice. McGahn declined to do that, one of several times people around Trump prevented overt crimes from happening. “The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful,” the Mueller report states, “but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”

After McGahn refused to have Mueller fired, Trump tried to have former campaign aide Corey Lewandowski pass a message to former Attorney General Jeff Sessions about Mueller. Trump wanted Sessions to publicly exonerate him of any crimes, and to limit the Mueller investigation so it excluded investigation into Trump’s personal behavior. Lewandowsky didn’t want to deliver the message and tried to get a White House advisor to do it. Neither delivered the message to Sessions, who apparently never got it.

In June 2017, news organizations began to learn of the now-notorious meeting at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, between representatives of the Russian government and Trump campaign officials, including Trump’s son Don, Jr. That meeting was about compromising information Russia had obtained on Hillary Clinton, Trump’s general-e******n opponent, which Russia offered to share with the Trump campaign. But once news of that meeting broke a year later, Trump told press aids to lie to news organizations, saying the meeting was really about policies toward adopting Russian babies.

“Each of these efforts by the President involved his communication team and was directed at the press,” the Mueller report found. “They would amount to obstructive acts only if the President, by taking those actions, sought to withhold information from or mislead congressional investigators of the Special Counsel.” Lying to the media, in other words, isn’t a crime, so Trump is off the hook on that one, too.

In January 2018, press reports recounted Trump’s effort to have McGahn get Mueller fired seven months earlier. That story was accurate, but Trump, through a personal lawyer, asked McGahn to put out a statement denying what had, in fact, taken place. Trump, in other words, asked McGahn to lie, so Trump wouldn’t look bad. McGahn refused.

‘President knew Cohen provided false testimony’'

It’s also not a crime, evidently, if you knowingly let somebody else commit perjury on your behalf. Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer, pled guilty to lying to Congress about Trump’s pursuit of a real-estate project in Russia, saying the project ended by January 2016 when in fact it continued until at least June 2016. Cohen told Congress earlier this year that Trump knew Cohen would be lying and did nothing to discourage him.

The Mueller report corroborates that. “There is evidence … that the President knew Cohen provided false testimony to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow project,” the Mueller report said. But “the evidence available to us does not establish that the President directed or aided Cohen's false testimony.”

Once Cohen began cooperating with prosecutors, Trump publicly called Cohen a “rat” and made what sounded like veiled threats of government legal action against his family. Obstruction? Here’s what Mueller found: “The President's statements insinuating that members of Cohen's family committed crimes after Cohen began cooperating with the government could be viewed as an effort to retaliate against Cohen and chill further testimony adverse to the President by Cohen or others.” There’s some evidence of a crime, in other words. Yet, Mueller still felt this didn’t reach the threshold required for prosecution.

There are many more examples in the Mueller report of Trump behaving in ways that might sound illegal to ordinary people, but don’t rise to what seems to be a very high Justice Department bar for prosecuting the president. Partisans, pundits, legal experts and historians will debate Mueller’s findings for a long time, and v**ers will of course get to render their own judgment once the 2020 e******n finally rolls around.

At a simpler level, however, the Mueller report reveals behavior many Americans would not normally tolerate in business executives, educators, religious leaders, local politicians or their own family members. Trump may not have committed crimes he can be prosecuted for. But he came damn close, and another prosecutor might have been less deferential. No wonder Trump tried to k**l the Mueller investigation.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-mueller-report-... (show quote)



You lost the e******n! so, just quit with accusations, spinning and manipulating reports. That's all DemonRATS have ever done to wiggle their way out of messes they put themselves in.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:37:57   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
Former President Nixon White House counsel John Dean said Attorney General William Barr's planned news conference ahead of the Mueller report release was a "conspicuous effort to try to frame the report" and says it is "reminiscent of Watergate."


That he was Nixon's WH Counsel, in itself, does not make anything he says today true. He's now a CNN shill and CNN has a h**e Trump agenda.

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Apr 18, 2019 20:13:23   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
proud republican wrote:
Did you read GD report????NO COLLUSION!!!!...NO COLLUSION!!!!...NO COLLUSION!!!!

Ahem ... that's not what it said. It stated that there was not enough evidence to prove the legal definition of either collusion/conspiracy or obstruction. It did NOT state that either one did not occur, only that there was no chargeable offense based on available evidence. In the case of the obstruction, there probably was enough, but since a sitting president cannot be indicted, there were no charges.

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Apr 18, 2019 20:18:46   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
slatten49, I can't think of any President who - if they'd been as thoroughly investigated as President Trump was, by an opposition group as determined as these people were to ruin his Presidency, would come out shining like a diamond in a goat's @$$. Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, Reagan - it wouldn't matter because men in positions of power are inclined to utilize that power in ways that you or I might find objectionable.

If Mueller had found a legitimate reason to prosecute, you can bet we'd be reading about the charges, but that didn't happen because a case could not be made, even after the original scope of the investigation was allowed to be stretched like the elastic in your fat Aunt's 20 year old bloomers.

But if you want to wallow in that 400 page cesspool bobbing for nuggets, be my guest. In fact, I'm looking forward to the Democrats pulling this completely apart, so that we can properly prosecute the responsible parties when the FISA warrant paperwork is released along with the IG's report. So...
slatten49, I can't think of any President who - if... (show quote)


<sigh> Another example of too much Koolade. The FISA warrant was approved by multiple administrators at both FBI and main Justice prior to the application to the FISA court. And it happened waaaaaaaaay before the Steele dossier appeared. I'd appreciate your getting your timelines correct before you assert false information.

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Apr 18, 2019 20:21:01   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
debeda wrote:
I'm going to read it myself when I have the time. It's on the barnes and noble website. Honestly I see all this as phase 3 of the left's ongoing tantrum about President Trump being elected.


Uh ... no. There's a vast difference between malfeasance in the office of the president and being sore over a lost e******n. Of course, if you want a dictator, you're in the right camp.

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Apr 18, 2019 20:48:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
Donald Trump met the criteria of obstruction of justice Mueller left it up to congress what to do about it. Trump was by no means totally exonerated. With members of Trumps campaign in contact with Russians 77 instances and Paul Manafort furnishing Konstantin Klimnik polling data in the rust belt states that put Trump over the top there is overwhelming evidence of collusion with Russians nd utilizng their help rther tah reporting the contact to the FBI
Please, Nik, don't do this to yourself. Fantasizing about who can do what to whom with no regard for our constitution, our justice system, and our laws may assuage the pain of president Trump's innocence in this matter, but what's to be gained by resorting to irrational mush?

You are aware, are you not, that we have three branches of government. The Legislative, Executive, and Judicial are clearly spelled out, in that order, in our constitution. The Legislative Branch (congress) makes the laws, it doesn't enforce them. Congress can investigate to its heart's content, but it cannot file criminal charges for prosecution in a court. The only option congress has is impeachment, and that is a political process, it does not involve legal proceedings in a court. As Mueller's investigation has revealed, the grounds for impeachment are nil. Nothing our president has done deserves an attempt to impeach.

If you had had the guts to listen to AG Barr's public statements on the Mueller investigation, with Deputy AG Rosenstein standing right next to him, you would understand that Mueller made it quite clear there was not sufficient evidence for filing charges of obstruction. Barr also made it clear that Mueller found no instance of Trump, any member of his campaign staff, or any American citizen whatsoever colluded or conspired with any Russian entity to influence the e******n. I highly recommend you watch AG Barr's presser in its entirety.

For two years, lib progs exalted Robert Mueller as a paragon of virtue, honor, and legal expertise, they placed the fulfillment of all their hopes and dreams in his hands. Now that Mueller has, to some degree, redeemed himself and lived up to your impressions of him, you thumb your arrogant noses at the results of his work and go crashing off through the jungle of liberal progressive machinations.

From where I stand as an American citizen, a sworn defender of our constitution, a patriot, the plots, the intrigues, the conspiracies, the designs, plans, devices, ploys, ruses, tricks, wiles, stratagems, tactics, maneuvers, contrivances, and expedients inherent in progressive ideology will never lead us to the democratic socialist Utopia you dream of.

Go too far in trying to force your inhumane and destructive ideology into our American way of life, and our nation will descend into chaos, anarchy, and bloodshed on a massive scale. Maybe you've gone too far already and the shyte is about to hit the fan. Bear in mind, Nik, there are millions of American citizens who will not yield to the incursions of a political ideology entirely alien to our way of life.

If I may paraphrase Lt Col Nathan Jessup, "you are fking with the wrong Marines."

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Apr 18, 2019 22:11:10   #
debeda
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Uh ... no. There's a vast difference between malfeasance in the office of the president and being sore over a lost e******n. Of course, if you want a dictator, you're in the right camp.



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Apr 18, 2019 22:25:37   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Ahem ... that's not what it said. It stated that there was not enough evidence to prove the legal definition of either collusion/conspiracy or obstruction. It did NOT state that either one did not occur, only that there was no chargeable offense based on available evidence. In the case of the obstruction, there probably was enough, but since a sitting president cannot be indicted, there were no charges.
Leave it to a liberal pull toy to once again butcher the facts. Mueller's reports states clearly that he found not one instance where Trump, any member of his campaign staff, or any American citizen whatsoever colluded or conspired with any Russian entity to influence our e******n. Moreover, Mueller determined that there was insufficient evidence to file charges for obstruction of justice, and as should be obvious to all but the highly prejudiced and h**eful l*****t buffoons, in his investigation, Mueller left no stone unturned.

whitnebrat wrote:
<sigh> Another example of too much Koolade. The FISA warrant was approved by multiple administrators at both FBI and main Justice prior to the application to the FISA court. And it happened waaaaaaaaay before the Steele dossier appeared. I'd appreciate your getting your timelines correct before you assert false information.
I have no doubt where you come up with this garbage. Likely CNN or MSNBC. The facts are these, baby, the approval or denial of FISA warrants, and the issuance thereof are entirely in the hands of the FISA court, not "multiple administrations" (wh**ever in hell that means). The FISA court is independent of the Justice department, it's all by itself out there.

To be clear, not the president, nor any member of his staff, nor the Justice department (FBI), nor congress can issue a FISA warrant. They can however, based on suspicion or some evidence of a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, submit through proper legal channels an application for a FISA warrant to the court. The judge or judges will then determine if the evidence presented them is sufficient to issue a warrant.

The case of the Russian "collusion" investigation eventually resulting in the issuance of a FISA warrant and subsequent appointment of a special counsel is fraught with unprecedented violations of protocol and procedures for obtaining such a warrant. Some of these violations are felonies.

The application for a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign originated within the FBI during the Obama admin. FBI director Comey is the principle signatory on the initial application, the evidence he submitted to obtain a warrant was a document concocted by a foreign intelligence operative who colluded with his Russian contacts to fabricate a narrative sufficient to get the warrant. Through a channel of middle men, the Hillary campaign and the DNC paid this operative $130,000 to produce something relating to Donald Trump's activities in Moscow BEFORE he won the GOP nomination. The foreign intelligence operative is named Christopher Steele, the document will forever be known as the "Steele dossier."

To make it clear for you, baby doll, the FISA warrant issued to spy on Carter Page was based on the Steele dossier, the warrant did not exist "waaaaaaaaay before the Steele dossier."

How Comey's FBI Abused FISA Warrants To Spy On The Trump Campaign

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