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Apr 23, 2019 15:41:42   #
Seth
 
Sew_What wrote:
...so why doesn't show his taxes...He has to...it's the law.


No, it's not "the law."

What, do you just make things up to fit your narrative?

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Apr 23, 2019 15:44:38   #
Sew_What
 
Seth wrote:
No, it's not "the law."

What, do you just make things up to fit your narrative?


Yes it is:

You are probably aware that the law protects your tax return information from disclosure to other parties by the Internal Revenue Service. IRC Section 6103 generally prohibits the release of tax information by an IRS employee. However, there are important exceptions that you should be aware of.

IRC 6103(d) provides that return information may be shared with state agencies responsible for tax administration. The state agency must request this information in writing, and the request must be signed by an official designated to request tax information.

IRC 6103(i)(1) provides that, pursuant to court order, return information may be shared with law enforcement agencies for investigation and prosecution of non-tax criminal laws.

IRC 6103(k)(6) allows the IRS to make limited disclosures of return information in the course of official tax administration investigations to third parties if necessary to obtain information that is not otherwise reasonably available.

IRC 6103(l)(1) provides that return information related to taxes imposed under chapters 2, 21, and 24 may be disclosed to the Social Security Administration (SSA) as needed to carry out its responsibilities under the Social Security Act. Chapter 2 relates to self-employment income and does not normally concern employers. Chapter 21 concerns social security and Medicare (FICA) tax, and chapter 24 deals with income tax withholding.

The IRS may therefore share information with SSA about social security and Medicare tax liability if necessary to establish the taxpayer’s liability. This provision does not allow the IRS to disclose your tax information to SSA for any other reason. SSA employees who receive this information are bound by the same confidentiality rules as IRS employees. Therefore, they generally cannot disclose the information to a state social security administrator (SSSA), state officials or other Federal agencies.

IRC 6103(e)(6) and (c) provide for disclosures to powers of attorney and other designees. If you are notified of an audit by the IRS, you may want to have someone other than the authorized officer of your entity represent you or participate in the meeting. You may bring any individual you wish into the discussion, in person or by telephone. You may give oral consent to speak with a third party if necessary to resolve a Federal tax matter. However, oral consent does not substitute for a power of attorney or a legal designation, and the discussion is limited to the issue for which the consent is given.

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Apr 23, 2019 15:59:13   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Sew_What wrote:
Yes it is:

You are probably aware that the law protects your tax return information from disclosure to other parties by the Internal Revenue Service. IRC Section 6103 generally prohibits the release of tax information by an IRS employee. However, there are important exceptions that you should be aware of.

IRC 6103(d) provides that return information may be shared with state agencies responsible for tax administration. The state agency must request this information in writing, and the request must be signed by an official designated to request tax information.

IRC 6103(i)(1) provides that, pursuant to court order, return information may be shared with law enforcement agencies for investigation and prosecution of non-tax criminal laws.

IRC 6103(k)(6) allows the IRS to make limited disclosures of return information in the course of official tax administration investigations to third parties if necessary to obtain information that is not otherwise reasonably available.

IRC 6103(l)(1) provides that return information related to taxes imposed under chapters 2, 21, and 24 may be disclosed to the Social Security Administration (SSA) as needed to carry out its responsibilities under the Social Security Act. Chapter 2 relates to self-employment income and does not normally concern employers. Chapter 21 concerns social security and Medicare (FICA) tax, and chapter 24 deals with income tax withholding.

The IRS may therefore share information with SSA about social security and Medicare tax liability if necessary to establish the taxpayer’s liability. This provision does not allow the IRS to disclose your tax information to SSA for any other reason. SSA employees who receive this information are bound by the same confidentiality rules as IRS employees. Therefore, they generally cannot disclose the information to a state social security administrator (SSSA), state officials or other Federal agencies.

IRC 6103(e)(6) and (c) provide for disclosures to powers of attorney and other designees. If you are notified of an audit by the IRS, you may want to have someone other than the authorized officer of your entity represent you or participate in the meeting. You may bring any individual you wish into the discussion, in person or by telephone. You may give oral consent to speak with a third party if necessary to resolve a Federal tax matter. However, oral consent does not substitute for a power of attorney or a legal designation, and the discussion is limited to the issue for which the consent is given.
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Leave it to a progressive to state the law, then try to use it for a reason other than what was intended when the law was written. The sole purpose of this Trump Tax Quest is to go fishing in order to find something that can hopefully be used to paint the President in a negative way before the 2020 e******ns. Just another tool in the anti-Trump toolbox. The President's taxes were filed. If one of the taxing authorities had a question about a return, they would make that request through normal channels and the situation would be processed in accordance with the law. IN NO CASE would the tax return be made public or leaked to the media in order to attempt to crucify the taxpayer. And throughout the process, the taxpayer has all his legal rights, including filing suit if it was deemed that the effort to reveal information was unwarranted. It seems obvious that you would prefer living in a police state. We don't do that here. You may want to consider immigrating to someplace where your lack of concern for the rights of the individual will make you a better fit. I'm pretty sure there's someone out there who would volunteer to take your place in the U.S. of A.

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Apr 23, 2019 16:07:58   #
Seth
 
Sew_What wrote:
Yes it is:

You are probably aware that the law protects your tax return information from disclosure to other parties by the Internal Revenue Service. IRC Section 6103 generally prohibits the release of tax information by an IRS employee. However, there are important exceptions that you should be aware of.

IRC 6103(d) provides that return information may be shared with state agencies responsible for tax administration. The state agency must request this information in writing, and the request must be signed by an official designated to request tax information.

IRC 6103(i)(1) provides that, pursuant to court order, return information may be shared with law enforcement agencies for investigation and prosecution of non-tax criminal laws.

IRC 6103(k)(6) allows the IRS to make limited disclosures of return information in the course of official tax administration investigations to third parties if necessary to obtain information that is not otherwise reasonably available.

IRC 6103(l)(1) provides that return information related to taxes imposed under chapters 2, 21, and 24 may be disclosed to the Social Security Administration (SSA) as needed to carry out its responsibilities under the Social Security Act. Chapter 2 relates to self-employment income and does not normally concern employers. Chapter 21 concerns social security and Medicare (FICA) tax, and chapter 24 deals with income tax withholding.

The IRS may therefore share information with SSA about social security and Medicare tax liability if necessary to establish the taxpayer’s liability. This provision does not allow the IRS to disclose your tax information to SSA for any other reason. SSA employees who receive this information are bound by the same confidentiality rules as IRS employees. Therefore, they generally cannot disclose the information to a state social security administrator (SSSA), state officials or other Federal agencies.

IRC 6103(e)(6) and (c) provide for disclosures to powers of attorney and other designees. If you are notified of an audit by the IRS, you may want to have someone other than the authorized officer of your entity represent you or participate in the meeting. You may bring any individual you wish into the discussion, in person or by telephone. You may give oral consent to speak with a third party if necessary to resolve a Federal tax matter. However, oral consent does not substitute for a power of attorney or a legal designation, and the discussion is limited to the issue for which the consent is given.
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Nice list of laws, but... where is the part that says a president has to make his tax returns public?

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Apr 23, 2019 16:20:12   #
markc Loc: Tennessee
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Leave it to a progressive to state the law, then try to use it for a reason other than what was intended when the law was written. The sole purpose of this Trump Tax Quest is to go fishing in order to find something that can hopefully be used to paint the President in a negative way before the 2020 e******ns. Just another tool in the anti-Trump toolbox. The President's taxes were filed. If one of the taxing authorities had a question about a return, they would make that request through normal channels and the situation would be processed in accordance with the law. IN NO CASE would the tax return be made public or leaked to the media in order to attempt to crucify the taxpayer. And throughout the process, the taxpayer has all his legal rights, including filing suit if it was deemed that the effort to reveal information was unwarranted. It seems obvious that you would prefer living in a police state. We don't do that here. You may want to consider immigrating to someplace where your lack of concern for the rights of the individual will make you a better fit. I'm pretty sure there's someone out there who would volunteer to take your place in the U.S. of A.
Leave it to a progressive to state the law, then t... (show quote)


Nope, the 1924 tax law was written for this specific purpose. It was narrowed after Nixon’s criminal revelations but the specific intent of the law applies with this administration.

https://www.accountingtoday.com/articles/trumps-taxes-1924-law-gives-congress-authority-to-see-returns

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Apr 23, 2019 16:45:34   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
markc wrote:
Nope, the 1924 tax law was written for this specific purpose. It was narrowed after Nixon’s criminal revelations but the specific intent of the law applies with this administration.

https://www.accountingtoday.com/articles/trumps-taxes-1924-law-gives-congress-authority-to-see-returns
I stand by what I said in the referred post and a previous one. Congress does have the right to request to see the returns. They DO NOT have the right to then leak the information to allow the MSM to smear the President if they find something they can spin in some way to do so. Quoting from your article "The final legislation established safeguards against the reckless dissemination of private tax information." I contend that is exactly the intent of this inquiry! The President is not required to give up his rights to legally protest the proceedings. It's all a very serious game, and both sides are playing for keeps.

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Apr 23, 2019 17:06:28   #
markc Loc: Tennessee
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
I stand by what I said in the referred post and a previous one. Congress does have the right to request to see the returns. They DO NOT have the right to then leak the information to allow the MSM to smear the President if they find something they can spin in some way to do so. Quoting from your article "The final legislation established safeguards against the reckless dissemination of private tax information." I contend that is exactly the intent of this inquiry! The President is not required to give up his rights to legally protest the proceedings. It's all a very serious game, and both sides are playing for keeps.
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I agree about the leaks and releasing to the full House or Senate unless there are crimes or prosecutable offenses, then it is fair game. That is the intent of the law. Nixon used tax returns for political gain, thus the law was amended in the 70’s.

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Apr 23, 2019 17:13:06   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
markc wrote:
I agree about the leaks and releasing to the full House or Senate unless there are crimes or prosecutable offenses, then it is fair game. That is the intent of the law. Nixon used tax returns for political gain, thus the law was amended in the 70’s.
If Trump was doing what Nixon did (i.e. what Obama did) I'd say that was a problem.

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Apr 23, 2019 17:52:24   #
Seth
 
markc wrote:
Nope, the 1924 tax law was written for this specific purpose. It was narrowed after Nixon’s criminal revelations but the specific intent of the law applies with this administration.

https://www.accountingtoday.com/articles/trumps-taxes-1924-law-gives-congress-authority-to-see-returns


Prepare to watch an interesting legal battle.

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Apr 24, 2019 08:00:48   #
Sew_What
 
Seth wrote:
Nice list of laws, but... where is the part that says a president has to make his tax returns public?


There isn't a special law for the president, he's a citizen (sadly), so he has to follow the law.

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Apr 24, 2019 11:35:19   #
Seth
 
Sew_What wrote:
There isn't a special law for the president, he's a citizen (sadly), so he has to follow the law.


We'll see what we will see, since his lawyers are taking this to court.

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Apr 24, 2019 11:47:31   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Sew_What wrote:
There isn't a special law for the president, he's a citizen (sadly), so he has to follow the law.
Looks like the Prez' is taking a page out of the Democrat playbook. After allowing them to dig around in his stuff unimpeded, looking for something with which to hang him, he's decided it's time to slow walk any and all further requests for cooperation in his impeachment. He's got nothing to lose. The Dems have already shown him that if he cooperates (no executive privilege, all witnesses allowed to testify, millions of pages of documents submitted) there's no benefit, because nothing except the undoing of his Presidency will suffice. Game on!

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Apr 24, 2019 12:24:05   #
Sew_What
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Looks like the Prez' is taking a page out of the Democrat playbook. After allowing them to dig around in his stuff unimpeded, looking for something with which to hang him, he's decided it's time to slow walk any and all further requests for cooperation in his impeachment. He's got nothing to lose. The Dems have already shown him that if he cooperates (no executive privilege, all witnesses allowed to testify, millions of pages of documents submitted) there's no benefit, because nothing except the undoing of his Presidency will suffice. Game on!
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Nancy doesn't want to impeach him. So, it ain't gonna happen.

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Apr 24, 2019 12:35:25   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Sew_What wrote:
Nancy doesn't want to impeach him. So, it ain't gonna happen.
A year or so ago, I'd have believed that implicitly, but there are so many pulling the loose threads on the Democrat party tapestry that I'm not sure she has the firm grip on power she once did. Do or Do Not, the process will not help the Dems in 2020.

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Apr 24, 2019 12:37:41   #
Sew_What
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
A year or so ago, I'd have believed that implicitly, but there are so many pulling the loose threads on the Democrat party tapestry that I'm not sure she has the firm grip on power she once did. Do or Do Not, the process will not help the Dems in 2020.


Well, here's the thing: who "owns" the senate? Even if the House of Reps. pretties it up with a bow, the Senate is gonna "drop the mic".

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