PeterS

Your mistaken Nick. You aren't talking of conservatism but Classical Liberalism. Conservatism dates back to the dark ages and is a prime example of what happens when people refuse to change. Classical liberalism is a prime example of what happens when people embrace change...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

PeterS

I didn't say it was, only that Classical Liberalism is a philosophy developed by the early liberal philosophers of the day. There is nothing conservative about it and you people only adopted it after agrarianism failed in the United States. Up to then, you have been principally farmers and content with that status quo.

As for being disgusted--liberalism is a messy ideology. FDR would try ten things and throw out nine of them. The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals aren't afraid of failure whereas conservatives see failure as a mark against society. A prime example is Obamacare. No, it didn't work completely but more people are covered by insurance today than at any point in the past and we can't be kicked off our insurance because of our past medical history. Do you not understand what a milestone that is for healthcare in this country? For you conservatives, not only did you see Obamacare as a complete failure but you worked night and day to make certain that it was. You then sit back and crowed..."see, told you so" but as with all things that affect the human condition in this country you made no effort to even try to help move man forward.

I see nothing d********g about liberalism of today. Liberalism is a progressive ideology--and it will always seek change. Some of that change will work and some won't but it is far better than to seek a past status quo and be content with ideas that are centuries old. That's what I find d********g--to seek to destroy change and then to cling to some misconceived idea of past greatness (MAGA) is one of the saddest states that an individual could possibly be...

PeterS

I already did and posted a link to it. You should look up Agrarianism and see how you cons followed it until the mid to late Nineteenth century when your economic status quo failed and you were FORCED to adopt a new economic system. What I get a giggle out of is how you cons crow about being early liberals. Makes one wonder what you will be in another 100 years? From the dark ages, you people have never had an original idea of your own...

Rose42

This is why your premise fails - you have a pie in the sky view of liberalism that has never existed. It never existed in this country. What we had was a mixture of liberalism and conservatism. Both have aided and both have also helped destroy.

Liberalism was never a ‘progressive’ ideology. Thats new and its that ideology thats k*****g us. Progressives championed eugenics, they are pro a******n, against the second amendment, want to control speech, have no issue with censorship of ideas other than their own, encourage g****r confusion in children and condone giving them testosterone or estrogen at a young age, and celebrate mental illness in the L**T community. It also marginalizes men and is adept at fueling r****m and bigotry while pointing a finger elsewhere. Thats just a few changes.

Sure thats change brought about by progressives - none of it good. We need elements of true liberalism and conservatism. What we need to get rid of is the destructive progressive element.

debeda

BRAVO, Rose, well said

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Nothing to do with the word then. Liberals of out forefathers days were patriots not l*****ts. Individualism is a conservative view. You’re not smart because you are fed talking points troll. Which side would our forefathers identify with more right now. The l*****t huge govt control group or the conservative we want govt out of our lives group?

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

What we Conservatives will be in another 100 years are people who remain true to our faith and an unshakable understanding of right and wrong, good and evil. We may diminish in numbers or we may gain. Who amongst us know what the winds of political change may bring? What astounds me is how Progressives, their agenda and philosophy, have deliberately and intentionally departed from grace, chosen to blatantly advocate and sanction evil and truly believe themselves virtuous. It is beyond any reasonable comprehension, but your plan for individual self destruction was brilliant and your master plan was all crafted around hedonism and the removal of morality. I would suggest a better question for Progressives to consider is not where Conservatives will be in another 100 years but where you will be for eternity.

debeda

Good post, Padremike

Nickolai

Yes conservatism does date back to the dark ages but the" modern conservative movement" is reputed to have started during the age of reason. Whereas conservatism and liberalism are both outgrowths of classical liberal thought, they differ in what they accept and reject of their intellectual roots. Conservatism tends to accept the classical liberal commitment to economic liberty but rejects many of its applications to the noneconomic realm. Liberalism accepts the classical liberal commitment to civil liberties but largely rejects the idea of economic rights. As libertarians are wont to say, liberals want government in the boardroom but not in the bedroom. Conservatives want the reverse. Much more is involved, however, than bedrooms and boardrooms.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Yep!
It must be frustrating to have to stand on sand.

Nickolai

A conservative mythis
America was born in its day as a radically liberal experiment, and has only become progressively more liberal over the past 230 years.
Let's always keep our fundamental definitions of the political ideologies of liberal and conservative in mind:

Liberal: favorable to progress or reform, open minded, tolerant, creative, promoting ever greater liberty, e******y, justice and pursuit of happiness; generally opposing aristocratic and unequal hierarchies.

Conservative: fearful of change, inflexible and unimaginative, disposed to conserve traditional hierarchies, institutions and traditions.

It has always been so and in 100 years they will be still the same

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I suspected you'd been sniffing the Air Wick for a long time. You are so convoluted you actually believe traditional values, morality and spirituality are undesirable and destructive. You, in your 80's, represent one of the three indicators that occurs in any society when it is deteriorating from within; namely that some of the elderly become extremely liberal in the negative sense. Where the aged are supposed to pass on wisdom and stability to the younger generation people like yourself lead them, and yourself, into destruction. For a better, a more t***hful, explanation of being a Conservative I refer you to the following link:
https://home.isi.org/pillars-modern-american-conservatism

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Let's always keep our fundamental definitions of the political ideologies of liberal and conservative in mind:
Liberal: favorable to progress or reform, open minded, tolerant, creative, promoting ever greater liberty, e******y, justice and pursuit of happiness; generally opposing aristocratic and unequal hierarchies.

Conservative: fearful of change, inflexible and unimaginative, disposed to conserve traditional hierarchies, institutions and traditions.
It has always been so and in 100 years they will be still the same" - Nickolai

I think that is what is being taught by liberal teachers in our public schools.
No wonder much of the young have lost touch with reality.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Thank you for that link. It’ll be lost on nick but it’s the most accurate description of conservatism I’ve read.

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Boy, you get an F in America History!
The first liberal was FDR, he planted the seeds and we are still trying Round-up on them,