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Apr 15, 2019 14:04:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
What was the closest the US came to a second civil war?

By Mark Stevens

The Year: 1933

Event: Business Plot

Target: O*******w the US Constitutional government and remove President Franklin D. Roosevelt from office. Establish a F*****t dictatorship.

Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC, was one of the most decorated of the American military, with two Medals of Honor and a host of other honors. In addition to many, many years of service in many of America’s conflicts, campaigns and wars, he single-handedly saved America from a military c**p, quite possibly a civil war and the establishment of a F*****t American government.

In 1933, General Butler was approached by a group of business and industrial leaders to lead an “army” of 500,000 veterans and others to depose our constitutional government and establish a f*****t dictatorship, led by General Hugh S. Johnson.

Butler had several meetings with the plotters and obtained a great deal of information, including names of many business, industrial and financial leaders. Butler then contacted authorities and testified to the McCormack-Dickerson Special Committee of the US House of Representatives in November 1934, a secret session. He named the plotters, finances and plans. All involved vigorously denied the plot.

However, the McCormack Dickerson Committee reported: "no evidence was presented... to show a connection... with any f*****t activity of any European country...there was no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution..." and that "your committee was able to verify all the pertinent statements made by General Butler, with the exception of the direct statement about the creation of the organization. This, however, was corroborated in the correspondence of MacGuire with his principal, Robert Sterling Clark...."

New York Times: "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a F*****t march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "... also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized F*****t march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated".

The McCormack–Dickstein Committee on Butler's testimony in its final report: "In the last few weeks of the committee's official life it received evidence showing that certain persons had made an attempt to establish a f*****t organization in this country... There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."

One loyal American perhaps saved our country.

http://newsfocus.org/1934_us_c**p.htm

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/aug/29/smedley-butler-fbi/

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Apr 15, 2019 15:18:42   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
What was the closest the US came to a second civil war?

By Mark Stevens

The Year: 1933

Event: Business Plot

Target: O*******w the US Constitutional government and remove President Franklin D. Roosevelt from office. Establish a F*****t dictatorship.

Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC, was one of the most decorated of the American military, with two Medals of Honor and a host of other honors. In addition to many, many years of service in many of America’s conflicts, campaigns and wars, he single-handedly saved America from a military c**p, quite possibly a civil war and the establishment of a F*****t American government.

In 1933, General Butler was approached by a group of business and industrial leaders to lead an “army” of 500,000 veterans and others to depose our constitutional government and establish a f*****t dictatorship, led by General Hugh S. Johnson.

Butler had several meetings with the plotters and obtained a great deal of information, including names of many business, industrial and financial leaders. Butler then contacted authorities and testified to the McCormack-Dickerson Special Committee of the US House of Representatives in November 1934, a secret session. He named the plotters, finances and plans. All involved vigorously denied the plot.

However, the McCormack Dickerson Committee reported: "no evidence was presented... to show a connection... with any f*****t activity of any European country...there was no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution..." and that "your committee was able to verify all the pertinent statements made by General Butler, with the exception of the direct statement about the creation of the organization. This, however, was corroborated in the correspondence of MacGuire with his principal, Robert Sterling Clark...."

New York Times: "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a F*****t march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "... also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized F*****t march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated".

The McCormack–Dickstein Committee on Butler's testimony in its final report: "In the last few weeks of the committee's official life it received evidence showing that certain persons had made an attempt to establish a f*****t organization in this country... There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."

One loyal American perhaps saved our country.

http://newsfocus.org/1934_us_c**p.htm

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/aug/29/smedley-butler-fbi/
What was the closest the US came to a second civil... (show quote)


Very interesting and thanks for the article there Slats and almost sounds like the c**p that was tried against President Trump although it didn't employ the military.

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Apr 15, 2019 16:38:33   #
truthiness
 
slatten49 wrote:
What was the closest the US came to a second civil war?

By Mark Stevens

The Year: 1933

Event: Business Plot

Target: O*******w the US Constitutional government and remove President Franklin D. Roosevelt from office. Establish a F*****t dictatorship.

Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC, was one of the most decorated of the American military, with two Medals of Honor and a host of other honors. In addition to many, many years of service in many of America’s conflicts, campaigns and wars, he single-handedly saved America from a military c**p, quite possibly a civil war and the establishment of a F*****t American government.

In 1933, General Butler was approached by a group of business and industrial leaders to lead an “army” of 500,000 veterans and others to depose our constitutional government and establish a f*****t dictatorship, led by General Hugh S. Johnson.

Butler had several meetings with the plotters and obtained a great deal of information, including names of many business, industrial and financial leaders. Butler then contacted authorities and testified to the McCormack-Dickerson Special Committee of the US House of Representatives in November 1934, a secret session. He named the plotters, finances and plans. All involved vigorously denied the plot.

However, the McCormack Dickerson Committee reported: "no evidence was presented... to show a connection... with any f*****t activity of any European country...there was no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution..." and that "your committee was able to verify all the pertinent statements made by General Butler, with the exception of the direct statement about the creation of the organization. This, however, was corroborated in the correspondence of MacGuire with his principal, Robert Sterling Clark...."

New York Times: "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a F*****t march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "... also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized F*****t march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated".

The McCormack–Dickstein Committee on Butler's testimony in its final report: "In the last few weeks of the committee's official life it received evidence showing that certain persons had made an attempt to establish a f*****t organization in this country... There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."

One loyal American perhaps saved our country.

http://newsfocus.org/1934_us_c**p.htm

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/aug/29/smedley-butler-fbi/
What was the closest the US came to a second civil... (show quote)

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Kudos to Slatt for bringing this story to light at this time and especially with the evidence now available. General Butler is one of my all-time heroes that I have mentioned several times on OPP with the usual snide commentary following.
"War is a racket," is Butler's message and it was the American oligarchs of the day who were anything but patriots in their greedy attempt to replace constitutional government with a form of government that would benefit their bank accounts using not OPM (other people's money) but rather using other people's lives (the military) to do so. Was/is James Mattis this generation's Smedley Butler?

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Apr 15, 2019 16:44:31   #
truthiness
 
bahmer wrote:
Very interesting and thanks for the article there Slats and almost sounds like the c**p that was tried against President Trump although it didn't employ the military.

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We note that Butler's first action when learning of the plot was to report it to the FBI; just exactly what Junior did not do when confronted with Russian's wanting to pass along information that would help the Trump campaign at the Trump Tower meeting.

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Apr 15, 2019 16:59:51   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
t***hiness wrote:
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Kudos to Slatt for bringing this story to light at this time and especially with the evidence now available. General Butler is one of my all-time heroes that I have mentioned several times on OPP with the usual snide commentary following.
"War is a racket," is Butler's message and it was the American oligarchs of the day who were anything but patriots in their greedy attempt to replace constitutional government with a form of government that would benefit their bank accounts using not OPM (other people's money) but rather using other people's lives (the military) to do so. Was/is James Mattis this generation's Smedley Butler?
... br Kudos to Slatt for bringing this story to l... (show quote)


https://www.americanswhotellthet***h.org/portraits/major-general-smedley-butler

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Apr 15, 2019 17:01:46   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
https://www.americanswhotellthet***h.org/portraits/major-general-smedley-butler


It says that site can't be reached there Slats.

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Apr 15, 2019 17:03:30   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
It says that site can't be reached there Slats.

Sorry, Bahmer, but it comes up for me. I don't know why it didn't for you.

Try this alternative website/link.....https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/smedley-butler-4384.php

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Apr 15, 2019 17:08:09   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
t***hiness wrote:
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We note that Butler's first action when learning of the plot was to report it to the FBI; just exactly what Junior did not do when confronted with Russian's wanting to pass along information that would help the Trump campaign at the Trump Tower meeting.


Actually the General had many meetings with the plotters before he approached authorities. And he was not particularly proud of his career. In his own words form "War is a Racket; "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.” An excellent book that should be read by everyone.

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Apr 15, 2019 17:08:26   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
Sorry, Bahmer, but it comes up for me. I don't know why it didn't for you.


You got that big fancy new computer with windows 10 on it all that I gave is this lowly vista model maybe that is it. Sort of like the difference of me and Tiger Woods or more like the difference between me and Rory McIlroy your choice.

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Apr 15, 2019 17:10:52   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Actually the General had many meetings with the plotters before he approached authorities. And he was not particularly proud of his career. In his own words form "War is a Racket; "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.” An excellent book that should be read by everyone.
Actually the General had many meetings with the pl... (show quote)

Excellent additional info, PennyLynn.

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Apr 15, 2019 17:12:34   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
You got that big fancy new computer with windows 10 on it all that I gave is this lowly vista model maybe that is it. Sort of like the difference of me and Tiger Woods or more like the difference between me and Rory McIlroy your choice.

Try the alternative link I offered a bit later, my friend

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Apr 15, 2019 17:26:09   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
Try the alternative link I offered a bit later, my friend


Thank you that worked for me.

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Apr 15, 2019 18:33:46   #
truthiness
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Actually the General had many meetings with the plotters before he approached authorities. And he was not particularly proud of his career. In his own words form "War is a Racket; "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.” An excellent book that should be read by everyone.
Actually the General had many meetings with the pl... (show quote)


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Agreed: a good book that should be read by everyone. Butler's story for me shows how difficult it is for someone in the armed forces to first see corruption on your side although easier perhaps from the position of a general officer than a Pfc. One follows 'Duty, Honor, Country' or in the case of Butler 'Semper Fi' assuming that the order, wh**ever it may be and at wh**ever level, is based on what is in the best interest of the country.
How easy it would have been for the highly decorated Butler to resign without bringing up his anger and disgust for the oligarchs and their greed. I am not sure--maybe you know, Pennylinn--when did Butler come to realize how he had been used by them? He certainly had no financial gain in mind when he revealed the plot. Realizing that he had been used by them was perhaps a repentant mind trying to make amends and warn us. If only that, then that is pretty impressive in itself. But Slatt suggests that Butler's revelation may have even averted a civil war--that is monumental.

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Apr 16, 2019 19:32:54   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
What was the closest the US came to a second civil war?

By Mark Stevens

The Year: 1933

Event: Business Plot

Target: O*******w the US Constitutional government and remove President Franklin D. Roosevelt from office. Establish a F*****t dictatorship.

Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC, was one of the most decorated of the American military, with two Medals of Honor and a host of other honors. In addition to many, many years of service in many of America’s conflicts, campaigns and wars, he single-handedly saved America from a military c**p, quite possibly a civil war and the establishment of a F*****t American government.

In 1933, General Butler was approached by a group of business and industrial leaders to lead an “army” of 500,000 veterans and others to depose our constitutional government and establish a f*****t dictatorship, led by General Hugh S. Johnson.

Butler had several meetings with the plotters and obtained a great deal of information, including names of many business, industrial and financial leaders. Butler then contacted authorities and testified to the McCormack-Dickerson Special Committee of the US House of Representatives in November 1934, a secret session. He named the plotters, finances and plans. All involved vigorously denied the plot.

However, the McCormack Dickerson Committee reported: "no evidence was presented... to show a connection... with any f*****t activity of any European country...there was no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution..." and that "your committee was able to verify all the pertinent statements made by General Butler, with the exception of the direct statement about the creation of the organization. This, however, was corroborated in the correspondence of MacGuire with his principal, Robert Sterling Clark...."

New York Times: "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a F*****t march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "... also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized F*****t march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated".

The McCormack–Dickstein Committee on Butler's testimony in its final report: "In the last few weeks of the committee's official life it received evidence showing that certain persons had made an attempt to establish a f*****t organization in this country... There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."

One loyal American perhaps saved our country.

http://newsfocus.org/1934_us_c**p.htm

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/aug/29/smedley-butler-fbi/
What was the closest the US came to a second civil... (show quote)


0ne good Marine anyhow


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Apr 16, 2019 20:00:58   #
truthiness
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Actually the General had many meetings with the plotters before he approached authorities. And he was not particularly proud of his career. In his own words form "War is a Racket; "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.” An excellent book that should be read by everyone.
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Not exactly a change in topic:

CAPITALISM CAN EXIST WITHOUT DEMOCRACY BUT, DEMOCRACY CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT CAPITALISM . . . AT LEAST NOT IN ANY RELEVANT OR MEANINGFUL FORM
Posted by piblogger on April 11, 2011 · Comments Off on Capitalism can exist without democracy but, democracy cannot exist without capitalism . . . at least not in any relevant or meaningful form

The “Obama Doctrine” is the Bush Doctrine is the Clinton Doctrine is the Reagan Doctrine is the Carter—you get the point. Despite all the changes in rhetorical style over the years, there’s been an essential continuity in U. S. foreign policy, not only since 1945, but even since 1917, and arguably, since 1898: make the world safe for corporate capitalist expansion.

from Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss: An Interview with Eugene McCarraher, Part Two of Three by Chris Keller & Eugene McCarraher, January 20th, 2010

The fact is that the world in general and democracy in particular, is driven by the financial self-interests of oligarchical benefactors whose only real loyalty is not to the cause of freedom as much as it is to preserving the self-sustaining model of ubiquitous and unchallenged capitalism.

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