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Apr 15, 2019 18:51:25   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
You're overthinking it. Your argument is with the bible. Nothing is taken away. We choose to believe or not to believe. Same as we choose to sin or not to sin.


Where in the Bible does it say our natural inclination is to reject God?

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Apr 15, 2019 21:42:07   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Where in the Bible does it say our natural inclination is to reject God?


For starters Read Proverbs Chapter 5 !

There are lots more if one really wants to know !

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Apr 15, 2019 21:59:53   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
For starters Read Proverbs Chapter 5 !

There are lots more if one really wants to know !


Thanks... Am at work but will check it out when I return home...
Have a pocket Bible in my bag... But only the NT...

Hope you are well today...


Edit: Are you sure that is the right verse?
As much as I agree concerning marriage and sexual relations, I am somewhat confused how it applies to the discussion...

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Apr 15, 2019 22:06:43   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Thanks... Am at work but will check it out when I return home...
Have a pocket Bible in my bag... But only the NT...

Hope you are well today...


I've always used the KJV .

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Apr 15, 2019 22:09:23   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
I've always used the KJV .


I have the KJV at home...
Pocket one was a gift...

Have a couple of others as well....
Don't use them that often...

The Chinese one is interesting... Sometimes reading in a different language offers different insights...

Are you sure it was Proverbs 5 you meant?

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Apr 15, 2019 22:37:09   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have the KJV at home...
Pocket one was a gift...

Have a couple of others as well....
Don't use them that often...

The Chinese one is interesting... Sometimes reading in a different language offers different insights...

Are you sure it was Proverbs 5 you meant?


Yes it tells of man wickedness as do many other scriptures and warnings against immorality which are a direct intention of rebellion of God !

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Apr 15, 2019 22:55:19   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
Yes it tells of man wickedness as do many other scriptures and warnings against immorality which are a direct intention of rebellion of God !


Agreed...
But is the rebellion natural?
Were we created to rebel against God?

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Apr 16, 2019 08:47:41   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Agreed...
But is the rebellion natural?
Were we created to rebel against God?


Yes rebellion is natural as we have free will to do what we want and many times mankind has proven he is an enemy to God ! Even at times the very ones that follow God can slip into a rebellious mood !

NO NO NO NO we were not created to rebel against God we were created to have fellowship with God !

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Apr 16, 2019 08:56:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
Yes rebellion is natural as we have free will to do what we want and many times mankind has proven he is an enemy to God ! Even at times the very ones that follow God can slip into a rebellious mood !

NO NO NO NO we were not created to rebel against God we were created to have fellowship with God !


Somewhat contradictory...
We were not created to rebel, but it is natural to rebel...
Perhaps we are working with different definitions of the word "natural"?

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Apr 16, 2019 09:03:20   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Rose42 wrote:
You're overthinking it. Your argument is with the bible. Nothing is taken away. We choose to believe or not to believe. Same as we choose to sin or not to sin.


Outstanding post! Some seed falls on poor soil and some on good soil. Sow good seeds (truth) and don't get discouraged when you're attacked, just count it as a blessing and keep praising the only one who is worthy of praise.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:21:46   #
Rose42
 
Peewee wrote:
Outstanding post! Some seed falls on poor soil and some on good soil. Sow good seeds (truth) and don't get discouraged when you're attacked, just count it as a blessing and keep praising the only one who is worthy of praise.


Is it just me or is there a bad spirit in some of these questions?

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Apr 16, 2019 12:44:42   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Rose42 wrote:
Is it just me or is there a bad spirit in some of these questions?


Can't say for sure but I get the same vibe.

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Apr 16, 2019 14:46:01   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Somewhat contradictory...
We were not created to rebel, but it is natural to rebel...
Perhaps we are working with different definitions of the word "natural"?


Somewhat contradictory.. Nope none in the least !

Mankind's nature to rebel came when God gave mankind free will after the fall and not before !

Are you sure you aren't looking for loopholes so you can do what you wish instead of what God asks of you ? ? ?

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Apr 16, 2019 16:09:32   #
Rose42
 
4430 wrote:
Somewhat contradictory.. Nope none in the least !

Mankind's nature to rebel came when God gave mankind free will after the fall and not before !

Are you sure you aren't looking for loopholes so you can do what you wish instead of what God asks of you ? ? ?


These are not innocent questions being asked.

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Apr 16, 2019 16:25:42   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Rose42 wrote:
These are not innocent questions being asked.


I think the witches and warlocks are out today. Wondered who all the new people were. Satan had to call in reinforcements.

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