Cedarstrip Loc: Michigan

Reply to: American Right-Wingers Are No Longer Conservative -- They're Extremists

The linked "interview" is incredibly shallow. The following section deals with the "extremist" concern regarding Sharia law in the US.

Joshua Holland: Ian, I know this first question is subjective, but I’m going to ask you to speculate. Which do you think is more likely, that Sharia law will become the law of the land or that I will get a date with Scarlett Johansson?

Ian Millhiser: You’re much more likely to get a date with Scarlett Johansson.

Consider the following events over the last few years in Europe and Canada. Is it really so far-fetched?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173779/EU-judges-want-Sharia-law-applied-British-courts.html

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=11478
Two days ago, on Thursday, February 7th [2008], referring to Muslims, (Archbishop) Williams told BBC Radio 4: "We must face the fact that some of our citizens do not fully recognise themselves in the British legal system . . . I believe that it would be dangerous to maintain that there exists a single law for all, and that anything else demanding fidelity and respect is entirely irrelevant in judicial proceedings". At the same time, he added, "No one of sane mind would want to see in this country the inhumanity that is sometimes associated with the practice of law in some Islamic countries, like extreme punishments or the attitude toward women. And in no case would this take precedence over the rights that one has as a citizen. But to say that there is one law for all is a bit dangerous".

...In the face of these startling affirmations, The Times (UK), in an editorial on Friday, February 8th [2008], comments: "What makes this country a liberal and peaceful democracy is that we live under the same law, that we are equal citizens before the law. This is a Christian country, even if (incredibly!) the archbishop wishes that it were not so. Everyone is authorised to adopt the religion in which he believes, or no religion, but he remains under the British law and traditions. These, fortunately, include great tolerance toward others, welcoming, generosity of spirit . . . these values are not abstract, they are rooted in the history and practice of this country as a Christian nation. There is a whole list of countries in the world in which the people can live according to sharia. This is not one of them. Nor should it become one".


http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/05/netherlands-sharia-and-european-law-are.html

Prominent Palestinian-American Professor of Islamic History and Law Maysam Al Faruqi of Georgetown University in Washington says that Sharia could be implemented in the Netherlands within a short time without problem.


http://patdollard.com/2013/01/no-go-zones-being-established-for-non-muslims-in-european-cities/
Islamic extremists are stepping up the creation of “no-go” areas in European cities that are off-limits to non-Muslims.

Many of the “no-go” zones function as microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law. Host-country authorities effectively have lost control in these areas and in many instances are unable to provide even basic public aid such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services.

The “no-go” areas are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to create parallel societies and remain segregated rather than become integrated into their European host nations.

In Britain, for example, a Muslim group called Muslims Against the Crusades has launched a campaign to turn twelve British cities – including what it calls “Londonistan” – into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic Sharia law and operate entirely outside British jurisprudence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2008/feb/08/sharialawincanadaalmost
The introduction of sharia law in Ontario, Canada, was effectively recommended by a 2004 report which prompted debate and street protests, both for and against its findings.

LAwrence

With a muslim president and a congress that will cave in to anything, I can imagine that he can get away with anything.

Yankee Clipper

I believe in calling Obama and the rest of the democrats just what they are, Marxists. Why beat around the bush, Marxism has lots of cousins such as socialism, progressivism, liberalism, c*******m, and several others I can't recall right now. In the useful i***ts eyes you are just as big enemy of the state calling Obama a socialist as you are calling him a Marxist. Just semantics, that's all it is.

Yankee Clipper

Very good cedarstrip!

The Progressive Patriot

Really? Obama is hardly a Marxist...that makes NO SENSE! http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-299-1.html

Cedarstrip Loc: Michigan

You are still promoting that post. You have never addressed my critique of it. Obama's core beliefs are a well guarded secret. His first book is full of distortions, but he admittedly liked the company of Marxists. He has flip-flopped on more issues than Kerry ever did.

*Deficits are unpatriotic

*"I can no more disown him (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community."

*"marriage is between a man and a woman"

*"The last thing you want to do is raise taxes in the middle of a recession, because that would just suck up, take more demand out of the economy and put businesses in a further hole."

*Health insurance cost can be cut by $2500 per year

How can you tell what he is or isn't?

Yankee Clipper

Che, you are about to wear that response out, you've used it at least a half a dozen times in the last few weeks. Come up with something new.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Cedarstrip, Ian Millhiser has to spout the party line, and that includes any lies necessary to get us off this track - that sharia law is trying to overpower our own law, and we have so many weak links in our government that it is ALTOGETHER LOGICAL TO ASSUME SUCH MAY HAPPEN. To believe otherwise is folly. And our Congress doesn't have to declare it legal. All Obama has to do is DECREE THAT SHARIA LAW IS THE LAW OF THE LAND, AND EXACTLY WHO IS GOING TO DENY HIM THAT PRIVILEGE? NO ONE.

If Obama doesn't want us thinking he is acting as a tyrannical ruler, all he must do is stop ACTING like one, stop all the executive orders that override Congress, stop ignoring the US Constitution, behave as a real President instead of a Hitler wannabe, stop working so hard at dividing the country.

HE, all by himself, has created the picture we have of him. Every scintilla of the blame can be laid at his feet.

The Progressive Patriot

[quote=Cedarstrip]You are still promoting that post. You have never addressed my critique of it. Obama's core beliefs are a well guarded secret. His first book is full of distortions, but he admittedly liked the company of Marxists. He has flip-flopped on more issues than Kerry ever did.

*Deficits are unpatriotic. You’re referring to his support for raising the debt ceiling? Allowing the country to default on it’s obligations would also be unpatriotic. His planis to pay down the deficit over time, and his policies would achieve just that if republicans would get out of the way.

*"I can no more disown him (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community." He disavowed his remarks but refused to denounce him as a person. Personally, I have no problem with any the that Wright said.

*"marriage is between a man and a woman" I believe that he truly evolved on the issue as many Americans have….look at the shift in the pools. OK, so he may have been influenced by public opinion. A lot of politicians have been…..look at the number of elected officials, from both parties who are falling all over themselves to get on board in anticipation of the SCOTUS rulings .He had the courage to come out on the issue before most others

*"The last thing you want to do is raise taxes in the middle of a recession, because that would just suck up, take more demand out of the economy and put businesses in a further hole." What Middle class taxes….the payroll tax deduction expired , that’s not raising taxes. The Bush tax cuts were preserved for those families earning up to $450,000, well above what is normally considered middle class

*Health insurance cost can be cut by $2500 per year. Yea well he jumped the gun on that one, but it’s a lot more complicated than that. Opponents of the law never ever talk about anything besides the cost? Why is that? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-claim-that-insurance-premiums-will-go-down/2012/08/09/424048f2-e245-11e1-a25e-15067bb31849_blog.html

Yankee Clipper

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

[quote=TheChardo]

Now that you have quoted cedarstrip's outstanding list of Obama flip flops is there a chance you have something to say about the list against it? I didn't see word one from you on that but maybe you are saving up or working on the reply. Which is it?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I will get some more proof of what happens to those of us on Medicare with Obamacare in effect tomorrow. I have to go for my annual endoscopy to see how far my impending cancer of the esophagus has moved in the last year. I have been doing that annually since 2001 when they saw the beginning of such. My brother died of the disease in 2002.

Anyway last week I got a letter from the hospital I go to for the test saying that now they have to have a request from my primary care doctor to perform the procedure. Two days later I got a phone call from the scheduling nurse and she admitted that they could no longer schedule with us jumping through the hoops. I wonder if I will be able to get the surgery if the cancer is there this time. I surely hope it can be done before January 1, 2014 because Zeke Emanuel says I am way too old to get that kind of care when someone of 50 may need it too.

I guess wanting to stay alive makes me extremist. Huh?

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Roy, I so wish you the best. I hope all goes as you hope, and I can feel the concern in your words. If you weren't concerned, you wouldn't be normal. I'd be concerned too. I am 75, and for the first time in my life have actually had a medical scare recently. I faithfully, and without refusal or trauma, had all the tests they have ordered, but we seem to be at an impasse now - not because of Obamacare, but because of shortage of specialists in these parts, and my flat refusal to travel 3-4 hours each way to see one (which I KNOW could be the result of Obamacare). I have concluded that I have had a grand life, some ups, some downs, mostly good things. I've decided I'd rather die normally than being treated to death via what could be considered honestly as torture in a hospital setting. If they want more tests, I'll do them, but I think I'll not demand them.

I think, Roy, what EVERYONE is going to have to do before this fiasco falls completely flat on its face, is to make some difficult choices and determine what is most important to himself. I hope for you the best things possible. I know your family and personal friends will be with you however things turn out - be advised some of your internet friends will be thinking of you as well and hoping for all that is good to be in your corner.

The Progressive Patriot

As always, you guys take the most cynical and onerous positions on it. I really don’t know if you do it out of belief or as an attempt to frighten people. I’m 65 and on Medicare and not at all worried. What will make Obamacare work if for everyone to be covered, including the young and healthy, not k*****g off the old folks. The article does not prove that it’s a rip off, unlike you, it provided a balanced view of pros and cons, costs and benefits. And speaking of costs, why don’t you discuss the cost of not reforming health care. What is the cost to tax payers every time someone goes to the ER?, What is the cost in lost productivity as well as disability benefits for people who get sick for lack of preventive care? What is the cost to families who go into bankruptcy as the result of catastrophic illness? Yes, some care may be rationed, but it was already being rationed by the insurance companies who were allowed to put a lifetime or yearly cap on benefits, who could deny coverage for pre existing conditions or drop coverage. And for those without coverage, it was rationed by their ability to pay. Maybe if we had gotten that single payer system and if the insurers and drug makers were reined in a little more, it would work better.

The Progressive Patriot

Well Roy , I would certainly like to know more about what's going on with you. I'm 65 and on Medicare and so far I don't anticipate any problems. What's this about Zeke Emanual and the age of 50? Are you sure your not getting yourself worked up over some misinformation.? And please clarify what you mean by "being on Obamacare" Obamacare is not a health insurance plan. You're not "on it" It's a law. Anyway good luck, and I am really interested in knowing what happens