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Apr 10, 2019 09:26:30   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Many people receive disability payments under the Social Security umbrella, children receive school benefits, etc, all before the age of 62 or 65. Some claim the system is r****t because B****s have a shorter life expectancy. Furthermore, If you were to invest that same amount of money you would receive more per month upon retirement. But the socialists want a bigger government so they can control more of our life and our money. They already tried to take over healthcare with more of it to come. Wake up America!
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You overlook some of the obvious..

The money does not show in one big bunch, It is a small amount each payday, paid both by the employee and employer..

While you may very well be able to make consistent long term wise investments, the majority of those on the SS program probably could not..

and most important, the SS is not and never was an investment program. I is rather an insurance policy to set a safety net for people to never lose and giving them a minimum amount of security is their lives..

the amount distributed can be a point of contention..

Disability payments are, for the most part, not funded by the SS fund. I do not recall details but the only time funds are given is for emergency.. maybe such as a great recession..

School benefits? have not heard of this.. any details?

Only those who pay into SS for a specified number of Quarters are illegible for Benefits.. only survivors are treated otherwise..

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Apr 10, 2019 11:33:30   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
permafrost wrote:
Everyone who has paid into SS need to PO about this dumb renaming idea..
No good can come of it..

A woman dies at age 65 before collecting one benefit check. She and her employer paid into the system for almost 50 years and she collected NOTHING. Keep in mind all the working people that die every year who were paying into the system and got nothing.

And these governmental morons mismanaged the money and stole from the system, so that it's now going broke.
BEAUTIFUL! And they have the audacity to call today's seniors "vultures" in an attempt to cover their ineptitude. DISGRACEFUL!

The real reason for renaming our Social Security payments is so the government can claim that all those social security recipients are receiving entitlements thus putting them in the same category as welfare, and food stamp recipients.
THIS IS WORTH THE FEW MINUTES IT TAKES TO READ AND DIGEST!
F.Y.I. By changing the name of SS contributions, it gives them a means to refute this program in the future. It's free money for the government to spend under this guise.
The Social Security check is now (or soon will be) referred to as a *Federal Benefit Payment* ?
I'll be part of the one percent to forward this. I am forwarding it because it touches a nerve in me, and I hope it will in you.

Please keep passing it on until everyone in our country has read it.
The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a "Federal Benefit Payment."
This is NOT a benefit. It is OUR money , paid out of our earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too ! It totaled 15% of our income before taxes.(This should be enough for you to forward this message, If not read on.)

If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.
If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in social security ($375/month, including both you and your employers contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved.

This is your personal investment. Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month.

That's almost three times more than today's average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration. (Google it – it's a fact). And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.
Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger *Ponzi scheme* than Bernie Madoff ever did (or Lyndon Johnson).
They took our money and used it elsewhere. They "forgot"(oh yes, they knew) that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn't have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them ... and they didn't pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently they've told us that the money won't support us for very much longer. (Isn't it funny that they NEVER say this about welfare payments?)
But is it our fault they misused our investments? And now, to add insult to injury, they're calling it a *benefit*, as if we never worked to earn every penny of it. This is stealing!
Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't mean that our investments were for charity!
Let's take a stand. We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government.
Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going for the sake of the 92% of our population who need it.

Then call it what it is:
Our Earned Retirement Income .
90% of people won't forward this.
PLEASE! Will you?
Everyone who has paid into SS need to PO about thi... (show quote)


They want to rename it so they can give it to i******s! That woman that died at 65 would have a new recipient from fraud forever! They they keep passing it in to someone else with her ID! And she still v**ed demonrat!

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Apr 10, 2019 11:57:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
They want to rename it so they can give it to i******s! That woman that died at 65 would have a new recipient from fraud forever! They they keep passing it in to someone else with her ID! And she still v**ed demonrat!



Why do attempt to make this outrage about a plan to gift i******s???

Get over some of your fear and anger..

They do not want to give it to anyone.. including those who have paid for it..

that is the subject of the post, not anything about I******s..



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Apr 10, 2019 12:09:34   #
fullspinzoo
 
permafrost wrote:
Why do attempt to make this outrage about a plan to gift i******s???

Get over some of your fear and anger..

They do not want to give it to anyone.. including those who have paid for it..

that is the subject of the post, not anything about I******s..


Another crock of s**t coming from another "c*******t LOVER" who I'm beginning to think is morally corrupt. Your priorities are really screwed up. Glad to see you overlooking candidates with good, moral background. We're all sinners and that's what some of you purists seem to forget.

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Apr 10, 2019 13:05:20   #
TrueAmerican
 
permafrost wrote:
Everyone who has paid into SS need to PO about this dumb renaming idea..
No good can come of it..

A woman dies at age 65 before collecting one benefit check. She and her employer paid into the system for almost 50 years and she collected NOTHING. Keep in mind all the working people that die every year who were paying into the system and got nothing.

And these governmental morons mismanaged the money and stole from the system, so that it's now going broke.
BEAUTIFUL! And they have the audacity to call today's seniors "vultures" in an attempt to cover their ineptitude. DISGRACEFUL!

The real reason for renaming our Social Security payments is so the government can claim that all those social security recipients are receiving entitlements thus putting them in the same category as welfare, and food stamp recipients.
THIS IS WORTH THE FEW MINUTES IT TAKES TO READ AND DIGEST!
F.Y.I. By changing the name of SS contributions, it gives them a means to refute this program in the future. It's free money for the government to spend under this guise.
The Social Security check is now (or soon will be) referred to as a *Federal Benefit Payment* ?
I'll be part of the one percent to forward this. I am forwarding it because it touches a nerve in me, and I hope it will in you.

Please keep passing it on until everyone in our country has read it.
The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a "Federal Benefit Payment."
This is NOT a benefit. It is OUR money , paid out of our earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too ! It totaled 15% of our income before taxes.(This should be enough for you to forward this message, If not read on.)

If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.
If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in social security ($375/month, including both you and your employers contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved.

This is your personal investment. Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month.

That's almost three times more than today's average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration. (Google it – it's a fact). And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.
Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger *Ponzi scheme* than Bernie Madoff ever did (or Lyndon Johnson).
They took our money and used it elsewhere. They "forgot"(oh yes, they knew) that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn't have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them ... and they didn't pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently they've told us that the money won't support us for very much longer. (Isn't it funny that they NEVER say this about welfare payments?)
But is it our fault they misused our investments? And now, to add insult to injury, they're calling it a *benefit*, as if we never worked to earn every penny of it. This is stealing!
Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't mean that our investments were for charity!
Let's take a stand. We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government.
Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going for the sake of the 92% of our population who need it.

Then call it what it is:
Our Earned Retirement Income .
90% of people won't forward this.
PLEASE! Will you?
Everyone who has paid into SS need to PO about thi... (show quote)


Not often agreeable to your post, BUT in this one you are spot on, and would pass it on if I knew how. I am not very computer literate but amd willing to learn !!!!!!

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Apr 10, 2019 13:16:34   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Instead of getting your feathers all ruffled, spreading misinformation, or being ignorant about what SS is and what benefits are available you might go to the source, and you might actually learn something besides how to get all defensive or argumentative.

https://www.ssa.gov/

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Apr 10, 2019 13:33:40   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
[quote=permafrost]You overlook some of the obvious..

The money does not show in one big bunch, It is a small amount each payday, paid both by the employee and employer..

While you may very well be able to make consistent long term wise investments, the majority of those on the SS program probably could not..

and most important, the SS is not and never was an investment program. I is rather an insurance policy to set a safety net for people to never lose and giving them a minimum amount of security is their lives..

the amount distributed can be a point of contention..

Disability payments are, for the most part, not funded by the SS fund. I do not recall details but the only time funds are given is for emergency.. maybe such as a great recession..

School benefits? have not heard of this.. any details?

Only those who pay into SS for a specified number of Quarters are illegible for Benefits.. only survivors are treated otherwise..


Social Security has two trust funds — Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) and Disability Insurance (DI).

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10029.pdf Disability Benefits

https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/survivors/
Certain family members may be eligible to receive
monthly benefits, including:
— A widow or widower age 60 or older (age 50 or older
if disabled);
— A widow or widower any age caring for the
deceased’s child who is under age 16 or disabled;
— An unmarried child of the deceased who is:
o Younger than age 18 (or up to age 19 if they’re a
full-time student in an elementary or secondary
school); or
o Age 18 or older with a disability that began
before age 22;
— A stepchild, grandchild, stepgrandchild, or adopted
child under certain circumstances;
— Parents, age 62 or older, who were dependent on
the deceased for at least half of their support; and
— A surviving divorced spouse, under
certain circumstances.

If your child is a student
Three months before your child’s 18th birthday,
we’ll send a notice to you letting you know
that benefits will end when your child turns 18.
Benefits don’t end if your child is a full-time
student at a secondary (or elementary) school. If
your child is younger than 19 and still attending
a secondary or elementary school, they must
notify us. They must complete a statement
of attendance certified by a school official.
The benefits will then usually continue until
your child graduates, or until two months after
reaching age 19, whichever comes first.

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Apr 10, 2019 13:48:32   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Despite the fact that the Social Security Administration is the largest budget item besides Defense, the real problem is that it is our money, not the governments. Never count on politicians to do what is right because they believe it is the government's money, not our own, and that they should control what they give us from our own money.

https://amac.us/house-democrats-pursue-a-reckless-spending-deal-not-a-budget/?campaign=daily-news-email

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Apr 10, 2019 13:58:02   #
fullspinzoo
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Despite the fact that the Social Security Administration is the largest budget item besides Defense, the real problem is that it is our money, not the governments. Never count on politicians to do what is right because they believe it is the government's money, not our own, and that they should control what they give us from our own money.

https://amac.us/house-democrats-pursue-a-reckless-spending-deal-not-a-budget/?campaign=daily-news-email


Gov't has never been able to do a better job (and more efficient) than the private sector. So you "c****es" put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Apr 10, 2019 14:02:09   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
permafrost wrote:
Why do attempt to make this outrage about a plan to gift i******s???

Get over some of your fear and anger..

They do not want to give it to anyone.. including those who have paid for it..

that is the subject of the post, not anything about I******s..


I live in cally, how many people that have lived in this country for 65 years don’t speak English? Or even enough years to collect? It’s not rich people it’s about fraud!

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Apr 10, 2019 14:10:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
I live in cally, how many people that have lived in this country for 65 years don’t speak English? Or even enough years to collect? It’s not rich people it’s about fraud!


It's both. You don't have to pay FICA tax after you earn a certain amount. The actual amount slips my mind but I think it is around $120,000. In my first year of full-time work (1969) the limit was $8,000 which I earned in eight months and I was exempt from FICA deductions for the rest of the year. Of course, this was before we had 401Ks and IRAs.

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Apr 10, 2019 14:30:59   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
PeterS wrote:
If the private sector can do better than why didn't it? Why even create SS if the private sector is the great savior?


Who said it didn't?

I say we were far better off as a nation and as individuals and families when people and politicians knew the difference between the government's job and everyone else's.

And why did they create it? Aah...that's quite the story!

Let me give a four word answer I already gave but I don't think connected with you;

To...make...us...dependent.

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Apr 10, 2019 14:43:49   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Another crock of s**t coming from another "c*******t LOVER" who I'm beginning to think is morally corrupt. Your priorities are really screwed up. Glad to see you overlooking candidates with good, moral background. We're all sinners and that's what some of you purists seem to forget.


Phony purists at that.

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Apr 10, 2019 14:49:22   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
permafrost wrote:
Why do attempt to make this outrage about a plan to gift i******s???

Get over some of your fear and anger..

They do not want to give it to anyone.. including those who have paid for it..

that is the subject of the post, not anything about I******s..


Crap! Slogans!

The nation is being ROBBED by central banking which has been controlled by people who think you and your children, as well as the people swarming OUR border are cattle and right now they've created a stampede.

Get out of the way, city boy, or you'll get run down!

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Apr 10, 2019 15:13:22   #
sisboombaa
 
To all posters: One thing may be more secure than another but there is no such thing as total security. We can't second guess the future therefore we create plan "B" and plan "C". Security is up to us as individuals. The government and insurance companies are just safe guards at best but not total security. The insurance companies are out to make a profit not to save your butt. The government is, well, not intelligent or honest enough to give more than false hope. In other words you have to take care of yourself. Look inward not outside yourself for survival.

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