Does the Federal Government Have the Power to Regulate Immigration? Thomas Jefferson and James Madison Said No (Page 2): If you’ll excuse me Steve, I’m having difficulty in following...

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steve66613 wrote:

Pretty sure the federal government would be responsible..... same reason as stated in the constitution. Ex: which state would be responsible for dealing with Afghanistan? (Which is ludicrous, of course.)

If you’ll excuse me Steve, I’m having difficulty in following you here. My perception is that you’re misconstruing the definition of “invasion” used in the constitution (article 4, section 4) with what is in reality happening at the border today. In other words; though we agree today’s situation at the border could be deemed an “invasion”, it is my understanding of the constitution’s use would require some use of force such as guns etc. and or the forced occupation of territory. I don’t think that today’s situation technically qualifies.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion

steve66613

The Critical Critic wrote:

If you’ll excuse me Steve, I’m having difficulty i... (show quote)

I dunno’. Matter of semantics, I guess. Attack vs. invasion? What was 9/11?

In what instances has this country been invaded? What action did we take to prevent invasion? When?

Does invasion mean an armed force? (IMO, no.) There are countries who would attempt to “take down” our country and prefer to not FIRE A SHOT!

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Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Thanks... I like the avatar too...

I have been hit by a bug as well... And the family... Although the tot seems to have thrown it...

I hope you’re all feeling better soon. Kids and their strengthening i****e s****ms, eh. Youth is wasted on the young! Happy to hear the tot is well though.

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Could States restrict the movements of foreign aliens from other States? Here one may only live and work where one's visa is applicable... But travel is fine...

That’s an interesting question, never even considered that. I honestly don’t know I’d have to look into that. My initial thoughts are again, no. As long as that individual is permitted in the country, where they travel on their free time, I’d guess it would be okay. I’ve told you what I do for a living, with that said.... I worked with a guy who was permitted here from Israel, and we went site seeing in different states and that issue never came up, but again, I’m honestly not sure.

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Edit: I agree concerning the gun laws... But there has been controversy, no?

Indeed there has, though I think it was mostly due to the individual’s ignorance of the law(s).

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steve66613 wrote:

I dunno’. Matter of semantics, I guess. Attack vs. invasion? What was 9/11?

An excellent example, Steve. My thoughts are, it was both. First, the high jackers, lived amongst us, studying, learning, and planning. In sense that could be termed a temporary invasion, until they k**led them selves in the attack.

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In what instances has this country been invaded? What action did we take to prevent invasion? When?

Since this country became a country, the answer is, never. Being surrounded by ocean on three sides makes it rather difficult.

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Does invasion mean an armed force? (IMO, no.) There are countries who would attempt to “take down” our country and prefer to not FIRE A SHOT!

Again here, I’m in agreement with you, it doesn’t necessarily mean an ARMED force. Though one might call it suicide. It is well known throughout the world how well armed our citizenry is, let alone our military might.

Our Founding Fathers warned us of exactly your last; our republic could withstand almost any external invasion/attack, and would only be taken from within... (or words to that effect)

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

steve66613 wrote:

I dunno’. Matter of semantics, I guess. Attack vs. invasion? What was 9/11?

In what instances has this country been invaded? What action did we take to prevent invasion? When?

Does invasion mean an armed force? (IMO, no.) There are countries who would attempt to “take down” our country and prefer to not FIRE A SHOT!

I think you make an interesting point in raising 9/11 and what constitutes an invasion. If the good folks of British Columbia were to migrate south for warmer weather

with Wash., Ida., and Mt. defining i*********n l*ws differently, it's possible that one state's invasion is another state's economic blessing. Deplorable Cannuck's folks could be hailed or jailed, depending on the state.

Just editing....we were invaded in 1812 .

steve66613

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Again here, I’m in agreement with you, it doesn’t necessarily mean an ARMED force. Though one might call it suicide. It is well known throughout the world how well armed our citizenry is, let alone our military might.

Our Founding Fathers warned us of exactly your last; our republic could withstand almost any external invasion/attack, and would only be taken from within... (or words to that effect)

Oh...this country has been invaded alrighty! The War of 1812....the British actually burned our capitol building (1814). Fun huh?

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

The Critical Critic wrote:

Again here, I’m in agreement with you, it doesn’t necessarily mean an ARMED force. Though one might call it suicide. It is well known throughout the world how well armed our citizenry is, let alone our military might.

Our Founding Fathers warned us of exactly your last; our republic could withstand almost any external invasion/attack, and would only be taken from within... (or words to that effect)

If I remember correctly, you are a firm believer in the limited power of the federal government, often framing your arguments for states' rights. So your example of Jefferson and Madison (can't get more 'founding fathers' than that), agreeing that states should have immigration powers doesn't doesn't appear just an idle question to me. It's very thought provoking....

What's your take: federal power or state and why? No hurry, as I hope to continue this for awhile if you're game.

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steve66613 wrote:

Oh...this country has been invaded alrighty! The War of 1812....the British actually burned our capitol building (1814). Fun huh?

I was going to mention this war, especially after I saw WCS’s mentioning, I was under the impression you were looking for successful invasion(s). If we’re going to use this type of terminology then we’d have to add at least a half dozen or more stemming from the Napolionic Wars, the Japanese in WWII, the Cold War and Soviets...etc. I wasn’t sure this was where you were looking to go, my misunderstanding.

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working class stiff wrote:

I think you make an interesting point in raising 9... (show quote)

Beat me to it again... Yes you were... And Now you have the White House... You're welcome

Y'all would like my folk.... Very civil and enjoy fishing, hunting and manuel labor... Might take a while to get uded to proper beer... But you'd adapt

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

steve66613 wrote:

Oh...this country has been invaded alrighty! The War of 1812....the British actually burned our capitol building (1814). Fun huh?

That would be the Canadians, eh...

Although we were still a colony at the time

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Beat me to it again... Yes you were... And Now you... (show quote)

Thanks for the laugh.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The Critical Critic wrote:

I was going to mention this war, especially after I saw WCS’s mentioning, I was under the impression you were looking for successful invasion(s). If we’re going to use this type of terminology then we’d have to add at least a half dozen or more stemming from the Napolionic Wars, the Japanese in WWII, the Cold War and Soviets...etc. I wasn’t sure this was where you were looking to go, my misunderstanding.

Successful invasions

Pray it never happens...

Although.... Becoming the 11th province wouldn't be so bad, would it?

steve66613

working class stiff wrote:

I think you make an interesting point in raising 9... (show quote)

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Successful invasions

Pray it never happens...

Although.... Becoming the 11th province wouldn't be so bad, would it?

Who would want to invade? Americans are basically ungovernable. And they have lots of guns. Who wants that headache, really?

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

working class stiff wrote:

If I remember correctly, you are a firm believer in the limited power of the federal government, often framing your arguments for states' rights. So your example of Jefferson and Madison (can't get more 'founding fathers' than that), agreeing that states should have immigration powers doesn't doesn't appear just an idle question to me. It's very thought provoking....

You’re recollection of my beliefs is accurate, yes. Just one point of correction, I think you meant Jefferson and Madison, no?

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What's your take: federal power or state and why?

First, I think we need some parameters. Can we establish a definition of invasion, for example the definition I provided Steve, from Webster’s dictionary? We can use whichever, I just want to be in agreement. And also, we’re still speaking of i*****l i*********n, correct?

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No hurry, as I hope to continue this for awhile if you're game.

I’m always game with you my friend, you’re a very insightful person, and I enjoy our discussions a great deal.