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Apr 4, 2019 13:32:09   #
bahmer
 
Alyssa Milano Misuses the Bible and Science to Support A******n
By BarbWire - April 4, 2019

Actress Alyssa Milano has now marshalled the Bible and science to support her pro-a******n position. Unfortunately, she is wrong on both accounts. The Bible and science, rightly understood, are totally pro-life.

Tweeting on April 1 (with no apparent irony intended), Milano said:

“I love God. I believe in God.
“But I don’t believe my personal beliefs of which we can’t confirm should override scientific facts and what we can confirm.
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“‘If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?’ John 3:12”

As for Milano’s love for God and belief in God, that is between her and God. At least she is not denying His existence. That’s a step in the right direction.

As for her quoting the Bible, the words are taken out of context and, in reality, work against her, I’m glad that she feels that quoting the Bible is important. We agree!

It’s just that she could not have chosen two worse witnesses to defend the “right” of a******n. To repeat: both the Bible and science, rightly understood, are pro-life.

Let’s start with Scripture.

First, the Word teaches that God carefully and lovingly formed us in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16).

Second, it teaches the personhood of the baby in the womb (Luke 1:41-42).

Third, it teaches the potential destiny of each child in the womb (Genesis 25:23; Jeremiah 1:5; Galatians 1:15).

Fourth, it teaches the importance of caring for “the least of these,” the most vulnerable and hurting (Matthew 18:1-6, 10; 25:31-46).

Fifth, it teaches us to stand up for the innocent being led to slaughter (Proverbs 24:11-12).

Sixth, it teaches us that God h**es the shedding of innocent blood, especially of babies (see, for example, Jeremiah 7:30-34; 17:1-6; Proverbs 6:17).

(For those who have had a******ns or participated in a******ns, I should add that Scripture also teaches that Jesus died for every sin we have committed – including the sin of a******n – and offers us forgiveness through the cross.)

As for science – or, in Milano’s words, “scientific facts” – what exactly did she have in mind?

Does science teach that the baby in the womb is simply a clump of cells or a mass of tissue?

Does it teach that the unborn child is not human until it leaves the womb? That it does not have a beating heart? That it does not have unique DNA? That it cannot feel pain (at a certain point of development)? That it can be tossed aside for any and every reason?

What “scientific facts” support a******n? Can anyone name one?

Over at the Daily Wire, Amanda Prestigiacomo compiled some of the better responses to Milano’s tweet, including:

“So… When does a baby in utero become ‘scientifically’ human enough for you to protect their life?” (Elisha Kraus)
And:

“Who wants to tell her that the fact that human life begins at fertilization has been scientific consensus for almost a century?” (Lauren Enriquez)
And:

“If these babies aren’t humans, someone should tell them to stop kicking the sh*t out of my bladder” (Emily Zanotti).
But of course. The baby is human and science confirms that.

More importantly, God Himself, the giver of life, confirms that. And that little life is precious in His sight.

Can anyone truly look in the face of Jesus and see Him participating in an a******n? Can anyone see Him giving approval to a baby being sliced up or burned up or suctioned to death?

It is Alysa Milano who is misunderstanding both earthly things (here, science, but again, this is not the point Jesus was making in John 3:12). It is not surprising that she is also misunderstanding spiritual things.

At present, she now has over 100 actors who have signed her protest against Georgia’s strong pro-life bill. In effect, they have signed their names against life, against science, and against God’s Word.

They are truly on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of t***h, the wrong side of compassion. May God turn their hearts and open their minds, as he did many other pro-a******n champions of the past.

For good reason, Ashley Bratcher has now challenged Milano, actress to actress and mother to mother. (Bratcher plays the role of pro-life activist – and former Planned Parenthood clinic director – Abby Johnson in the movie Unplanned.)

Would that Milano and her co-signers would take time to see the movie for themselves. It might just change their hearts and their minds.

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Apr 4, 2019 14:11:54   #
Singularity
 
bahmer wrote:
Alyssa Milano Misuses the Bible and Science to Support A******n
By BarbWire - April 4, 2019

Actress Alyssa Milano has now marshalled the Bible and science to support her pro-a******n position. Unfortunately, she is wrong on both accounts. The Bible and science, rightly understood, are totally pro-life.

Tweeting on April 1 (with no apparent irony intended), Milano said:

“I love God. I believe in God.
“But I don’t believe my personal beliefs of which we can’t confirm should override scientific facts and what we can confirm.
Trending: 120 Christians K**led in Nigeria and the World Remains Silent
“‘If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?’ John 3:12”

As for Milano’s love for God and belief in God, that is between her and God. At least she is not denying His existence. That’s a step in the right direction.

As for her quoting the Bible, the words are taken out of context and, in reality, work against her, I’m glad that she feels that quoting the Bible is important. We agree!

It’s just that she could not have chosen two worse witnesses to defend the “right” of a******n. To repeat: both the Bible and science, rightly understood, are pro-life.

Let’s start with Scripture.

First, the Word teaches that God carefully and lovingly formed us in the womb (Psalm 139:13-16).

Second, it teaches the personhood of the baby in the womb (Luke 1:41-42).

Third, it teaches the potential destiny of each child in the womb (Genesis 25:23; Jeremiah 1:5; Galatians 1:15).

Fourth, it teaches the importance of caring for “the least of these,” the most vulnerable and hurting (Matthew 18:1-6, 10; 25:31-46).

Fifth, it teaches us to stand up for the innocent being led to slaughter (Proverbs 24:11-12).

Sixth, it teaches us that God h**es the shedding of innocent blood, especially of babies (see, for example, Jeremiah 7:30-34; 17:1-6; Proverbs 6:17).

(For those who have had a******ns or participated in a******ns, I should add that Scripture also teaches that Jesus died for every sin we have committed – including the sin of a******n – and offers us forgiveness through the cross.)

As for science – or, in Milano’s words, “scientific facts” – what exactly did she have in mind?

Does science teach that the baby in the womb is simply a clump of cells or a mass of tissue?

Does it teach that the unborn child is not human until it leaves the womb? That it does not have a beating heart? That it does not have unique DNA? That it cannot feel pain (at a certain point of development)? That it can be tossed aside for any and every reason?

What “scientific facts” support a******n? Can anyone name one?

Over at the Daily Wire, Amanda Prestigiacomo compiled some of the better responses to Milano’s tweet, including:

“So… When does a baby in utero become ‘scientifically’ human enough for you to protect their life?” (Elisha Kraus)
And:

“Who wants to tell her that the fact that human life begins at fertilization has been scientific consensus for almost a century?” (Lauren Enriquez)
And:

“If these babies aren’t humans, someone should tell them to stop kicking the sh*t out of my bladder” (Emily Zanotti).
But of course. The baby is human and science confirms that.

More importantly, God Himself, the giver of life, confirms that. And that little life is precious in His sight.

Can anyone truly look in the face of Jesus and see Him participating in an a******n? Can anyone see Him giving approval to a baby being sliced up or burned up or suctioned to death?

It is Alysa Milano who is misunderstanding both earthly things (here, science, but again, this is not the point Jesus was making in John 3:12). It is not surprising that she is also misunderstanding spiritual things.

At present, she now has over 100 actors who have signed her protest against Georgia’s strong pro-life bill. In effect, they have signed their names against life, against science, and against God’s Word.

They are truly on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of t***h, the wrong side of compassion. May God turn their hearts and open their minds, as he did many other pro-a******n champions of the past.

For good reason, Ashley Bratcher has now challenged Milano, actress to actress and mother to mother. (Bratcher plays the role of pro-life activist – and former Planned Parenthood clinic director – Abby Johnson in the movie Unplanned.)

Would that Milano and her co-signers would take time to see the movie for themselves. It might just change their hearts and their minds.
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The Bible is not anti-a******n. It recommends an abortifacient method for relieving husbands' anxiety if he should come to believe his wife conceived by another man and is jealous, but can't prove it.

Also, under biblical law, in an offence where a fetus is lost through unintentional violent accident, as long as no other harm comes to the mother, there is no punishment as if for loss of human life, rather, it is considered a property crime and the punishment level set as an economical loss to the father.

Look it up.

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Apr 4, 2019 14:45:06   #
Kevyn
 
Singularity wrote:
The Bible is not anti-a******n. It recommends an abortifacient method for relieving husbands' anxiety if he should come to believe his wife conceived by another man and is jealous, but can't prove it.

Also, under biblical law, in an offence where a fetus is lost through unintentional violent accident, as long as no other harm comes to the mother, there is no punishment as if for loss of human life, rather, it is considered a property crime and the punishment level set as an economical loss to the father.

Look it up.
The Bible is not anti-a******n. It recommends an ... (show quote)


Nicely played, but this will earn you the wrath of some of the holier than thou folks who hang out here.

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Apr 4, 2019 14:46:51   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
The Bible is not anti-a******n. It recommends an abortifacient method for relieving husbands' anxiety if he should come to believe his wife conceived by another man and is jealous, but can't prove it.

Also, under biblical law, in an offence where a fetus is lost through unintentional violent accident, as long as no other harm comes to the mother, there is no punishment as if for loss of human life, rather, it is considered a property crime and the punishment level set as an economical loss to the father.

Look it up.
The Bible is not anti-a******n. It recommends an ... (show quote)


Yes it is indeed anti-a******n. But it won't look that way to casual Christians or casual readers of the bible.

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Apr 4, 2019 15:47:01   #
Singularity
 
Rose42 wrote:
Yes it is indeed anti-a******n. But it won't look that way to casual Christians or casual readers of the bible.


I am not a casual observer.

I have had this discussion a number of times already over the past few years on OPP. My claim, as made here again has not been refuted. But I am weary of the repetition and I also respect Bahmer enough to wait and resist spinning this response out contentiously in his thread, if that were not his aim.

I am content now to post the reminder and the caution to research the pertinent biblical texts before crawlng out on a limb that has already been sawed through.

I assume you can Google s**t for yourself, right?

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Apr 4, 2019 15:50:09   #
Singularity
 
Kevyn wrote:
Nicely played, but this will earn you the wrath of some of the holier than thou folks who hang out here.


There is a history and practice of patience and self restraint amongst some on OPP.

Not all, and many not all the time.

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Apr 4, 2019 16:07:06   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
I am not a casual observer.

I have had this discussion a number of times already over the past few years on OPP. My claim, as made here again has not been refuted. But I am weary of the repetition and I also respect Bahmer enough to wait and resist spinning this response out contentiously in his thread, if that were not his aim.

I am content now to post the reminder and the caution to research the pertinent biblical texts before crawlng out on a limb that has already been sawed through.

I assume you can Google s**t for yourself, right?
I am not a casual observer. br br I have had this... (show quote)


I've seen your argument before and I've seen it refuted before. Others have tried it. So yes, you are indeed either a casual reader or you are not Christian (or a casual Christian). Many casual readers and non-Christians have done the same.

I don't need to research your contention because I know its false. Been there, done that.

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Apr 4, 2019 16:33:01   #
Singularity
 
Rose42 wrote:
I've seen your argument before and I've seen it refuted before. Others have tried it. So yes, you are indeed either a casual reader or you are not Christian (or a casual Christian). Many casual readers and non-Christians have done the same.

I don't need to research your contention because I know its false. Been there, done that.

If you can't show it, you can't know it.

With equal specificity, lol, I call out your claim as unproven. And again, I will not debate the issue, with you, here.

Start your own thread with the argument you imagine me making, and your valid refutation of it. I'll consider your claims and respond to you there if I have a cogent counterargument.

Good evening, Bahmer. Relax and enjoy your dinner.

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Apr 4, 2019 16:46:23   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
If you can't show it, you can't know it.

With equal specificity, lol, I call out your claim as unproven. And again, I will not debate the issue, with you, here.

Start your own thread with the argument you imagine me making, and your valid refutation of it. I'll consider your claims and respond to you there if I have a cogent counterargument.

Good evening, Bahmer. Relax and enjoy your dinner.


Right back at you.

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Apr 4, 2019 18:53:50   #
Singularity
 
Rose42 wrote:
Right back at you.


Good evening.

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Apr 4, 2019 20:32:53   #
Rose42
 
Singularity wrote:
Good evening.


And to you as well.

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Apr 4, 2019 20:56:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
I am not a casual observer.

I have had this discussion a number of times already over the past few years on OPP. My claim, as made here again has not been refuted. But I am weary of the repetition and I also respect Bahmer enough to wait and resist spinning this response out contentiously in his thread, if that were not his aim.

I am content now to post the reminder and the caution to research the pertinent biblical texts before crawlng out on a limb that has already been sawed through.

I assume you can Google s**t for yourself, right?
I am not a casual observer. br br I have had this... (show quote)


Hi there...

I suck at googling stuff...

And we have never spoken that I can recall...

I quite enjoy my Bible, though I am hardly a scholar... Would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of the verses you are using to make your argument?

I can assure you that I have no intention of attacking anyone.... Just seems like an interesting premise...

Kyle

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Apr 5, 2019 09:28:40   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Singularity wrote:
The Bible is not anti-a******n. It recommends an abortifacient method for relieving husbands' anxiety if he should come to believe his wife conceived by another man and is jealous, but can't prove it.

Also, under biblical law, in an offence where a fetus is lost through unintentional violent accident, as long as no other harm comes to the mother, there is no punishment as if for loss of human life, rather, it is considered a property crime and the punishment level set as an economical loss to the father.

Look it up.
The Bible is not anti-a******n. It recommends an ... (show quote)


Where is the scripture to support ur statements? In context? Don’t even recognize the first one! God wasn’t saying a child is property!

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Apr 5, 2019 11:13:11   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi there...

I suck at googling stuff...

And we have never spoken that I can recall...

I quite enjoy my Bible, though I am hardly a scholar... Would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of the verses you are using to make your argument?

I can assure you that I have no intention of attacking anyone.... Just seems like an interesting premise...

Kyle


I suspect you would rather continue to enjoy your Bible.

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Apr 5, 2019 13:02:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
I suspect you would rather continue to enjoy your Bible.


You suspect?

Too bad... Was an interesting premise...

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