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Apr 1, 2019 21:48:12   #
debeda
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e******n/senate-dems-introduce-constitutional-amendment-abolish-e*******l-college-n989656

So, okay, and to avoid being hunger gamesesque each state gets one v**e. Well never have another democrat president.

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Apr 1, 2019 22:04:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e******n/senate-dems-introduce-constitutional-amendment-abolish-e*******l-college-n989656

So, okay, and to avoid being hunger gamesesque each state gets one v**e. Well never have another democrat president.


How is this an issue?

Each state v**es and the winner is president...

Sounds good to me...

States elect their government and they in turn elect the president... No?

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Apr 1, 2019 22:37:48   #
John King
 
There is a very good reason for the E*******l College . . . America is a Democratic REPUBLIC! Majority rule is the same as Mob Rule and a mob has no place in determining the highest seat in the country. If only the popular v**e determined our President, then California, New York and Chicago would tell the country who our President is . . . the large cities of the country would be the only places to campaign and America would have vast areas of the country that would never have their v**e really count! The E*******l College gives each State a voice determinate on the population and allows each State to be heard! It demands that the P**********l candidates take the entire country under consideration, not just the largest populated areas!

WAKE THE PUCK UP AMERICA . . . BEFORE IT'S TO LATE . . . IT MAY ALREADY BE ! ! !

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Apr 1, 2019 22:49:50   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How is this an issue?

Each state v**es and the winner is president...

Sounds good to me...

States elect their government and they in turn elect the president... No?


Well, the dems want popular v**e. Unfortunately that means California, notably LA, NEW YORK city and Chicago/cook county would dictate what the rest of the country had to live with. That's why I said if the e*******l college is done away with, each state gets one v**e.

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Apr 1, 2019 22:51:07   #
debeda
 
John King wrote:
There is a very good reason for the E*******l College . . . America is a Democratic REPUBLIC! Majority rule is the same as Mob Rule and a mob has no place in determining the highest seat in the country. If only the popular v**e determined our President, then California, New York and Chicago would tell the country who our President is . . . the large cities of the country would be the only places to campaign and America would have vast areas of the country that would never have their v**e really count! The E*******l College gives each State a voice determinate on the population and allows each State to be heard! It demands that the P**********l candidates take the entire country under consideration, not just the largest populated areas!

WAKE THE PUCK UP AMERICA . . . BEFORE IT'S TO LATE . . . IT MAY ALREADY BE ! ! !
There is a very good reason for the E*******l Coll... (show quote)


Correct, John!! We must've been typing at the same time

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Apr 1, 2019 22:51:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Well, the dems want popular v**e. Unfortunately that means California, notably LA, NEW YORK city and Chicago/cook county would dictate what the rest of the country had to live with. That's why I said if the e*******l college is done away with, each state gets one v**e.


The college seems good to me...

Canada's system is disturbing....

Trudeau's party took Just over 40 percent of the v**es, but received over 90 percent of the seats... (if memory serves me right)...

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Apr 1, 2019 22:58:28   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The college seems good to me...

Canada's system is disturbing....

Trudeau's party took Just over 40 percent of the v**es, but received over 90 percent of the seats... (if memory serves me right)...


Yes. One of our posters here gave an excellent and easily understandable explanation of the e*******l college some time back. Wish I could remember who she was and exactly when so I could find it again

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Apr 1, 2019 23:00:18   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The college seems good to me...

Canada's system is disturbing....

Trudeau's party took Just over 40 percent of the v**es, but received over 90 percent of the seats... (if memory serves me right)...


Sounds like Trudeau is another lefty loser for Canada. Good news is, elected officials of that persuasion are being v**ed out all over the world.

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Apr 1, 2019 23:05:42   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Sounds like Trudeau is another lefty loser for Canada. Good news is, elected officials of that persuasion are being v**ed out all over the world.


A resounding HUZZAH for that...

The next e******n will be my first mail in v**e...

Fingers crossed we follow suit...

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Apr 1, 2019 23:07:33   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
A resounding HUZZAH for that...

The next e******n will be my first mail in v**e...

Fingers crossed we follow suit...


YES

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Apr 1, 2019 23:25:18   #
Iliamna1
 
Even IF the house can pass such a legislation, it would have to be passed by the Senate and ratified by 75% of the states. Here's a brief outline of the process, straight from the internet:

The Amendment Process

There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).

The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.

Regardless of which of the two proposal routes is taken, the amendment must be ratified, or approved, by three-fourths of states. There are two ways to do this, too. The text of the amendment may specify whether the bill must be passed by the state legislatures or by a state convention. See the Ratification Convention Page for a discussion of the make up of a convention. Amendments are sent to the legislatures of the states by default. Only one amendment, the 21st, specified a convention. In any case, passage by the legislature or convention is by simple majority.

It's not easy, but has been successfully done, starting with the Bill of Rights. I suspect this is one law/amendment they'll never get a 3/4 majority of the states to agree on.

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Apr 1, 2019 23:31:17   #
debeda
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
Even IF the house can pass such a legislation, it would have to be passed by the Senate and ratified by 75% of the states. Here's a brief outline of the process, straight from the internet:

The Amendment Process

There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).

The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.

Regardless of which of the two proposal routes is taken, the amendment must be ratified, or approved, by three-fourths of states. There are two ways to do this, too. The text of the amendment may specify whether the bill must be passed by the state legislatures or by a state convention. See the Ratification Convention Page for a discussion of the make up of a convention. Amendments are sent to the legislatures of the states by default. Only one amendment, the 21st, specified a convention. In any case, passage by the legislature or convention is by simple majority.

It's not easy, but has been successfully done, starting with the Bill of Rights. I suspect this is one law/amendment they'll never get a 3/4 majority of the states to agree on.
Even IF the house can pass such a legislation, it... (show quote)


I agree wholeheartedly iliamna!! The majority of the country has no desire to be dictated to by a few densely populated cities And thanks for the outline of the process, too

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Apr 1, 2019 23:35:04   #
Iliamna1
 
You're welcome.

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Apr 1, 2019 23:49:31   #
Ricktloml
 
debeda wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e******n/senate-dems-introduce-constitutional-amendment-abolish-e*******l-college-n989656

So, okay, and to avoid being hunger gamesesque each state gets one v**e. Well never have another democrat president.


The Democrats want to get rid of a system that has worked well for over two hundred years because they lost an e******n. Disenfranchising a vast swath of the country that rejects their radical ideas and v**es accordingly. Our founding fathers were careful to protect the individual liberty and rights of ALL Americans, not just those who live in large populated cities. The E*******l College worked the way it was supposed to. The sore loser attitude of the Democrats would tear the country apart to gain, keep and wield power. The fact that the last administration weaponized our government agencies, undermined the very foundations of this country and attempted a c**p to overturn the last e******n should make everyone suspect about their motives for getting rid of the E*******l College. Democrats do indeed want that mob rule.

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Apr 2, 2019 00:08:32   #
debeda
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The Democrats want to get rid of a system that has worked well for over two hundred years because they lost an e******n. Disenfranchising a vast swath of the country that rejects their radical ideas and v**es accordingly. Our founding fathers were careful to protect the individual liberty and rights of ALL Americans, not just those who live in large populated cities. The E*******l College worked the way it was supposed to. The sore loser attitude of the Democrats would tear the country apart to gain, keep and wield power. The fact that the last administration weaponized our government agencies, undermined the very foundations of this country and attempted a c**p to overturn the last e******n should make everyone suspect about their motives for getting rid of the E*******l College. Democrats do indeed want that mob rule.
The Democrats want to get rid of a system that has... (show quote)


Well said, Rick and AGREED

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