PeterS

This was written on a wall of a Jewish prison camp. For Blade Runner and my good friend Pennylyn--less they think I've forgotten them...and yes I fact checked as I know that is the first thing PL will do...

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/18913/did-a-jewish-prisoner-write-this-quote-about-god-and-forgiveness

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

We fall far short of His Perfection... Yet we strive... We pray for all those who have suffered at the hands of their brothers...
May our Lord bless and raise up His children among His angels... Amen...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The inscription quoted was carved in a prison barracks at Mauthausen Concentration Camp. Mauthausen was one of a number of subcamps located around and near the village of Mauthausen in northern Austria. The camps operated from 1940 to 1945, nearly 170,000 died of starvation, forced labor, disease, abuse, and execution. One survivor of Mauthasen, Dr. Antoni Gościński, vividly described 62 ways the N**is murdered prisoners. Over the course of the five years, the life expectancy of newly arrived prisoners dropped from 6 months in the early years to less than 3 months toward the end.

Having read quite a number of books, journals, and testimonials by Jewish survivors of the death camps, though it is tough to imagine, I have a sense, or a feel for, the protracted suffering they endured--the torture, beatings, pain, hunger, cold, the agony of families broken up and destroyed, the horror of watching loved ones sent to their deaths, the overwhelming influences of intense FEAR. I can understand to some degree what compelled the prisoner to carve that inscription.

What I don't understand is the point of this post. What is the purpose in bringing to our attention the plaintive cry of hopelessness by one tormented, hungry, mentally traumatized, physically wasted, terrified soul now 70 years dead? Personally, I'd cut the fellow some slack, a human in that condition has every right to question the existence of God.

If this post is supposed to be some sort of advertisement for atheism, it is a truly sick example.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Perhaps the post is an indictment of those who think the Jews got what was coming to them, or those who deny this horrific event outright.

A reminder of how far some are willing to go to find a scapegoat for their own woes, by targeting people who are considered "different", isn't a bad thing.

vernon

Well it was written by a sick weirdo so what can you expect?

EmilyD

Your post brought tears to my eyes, Blade_Runner. Those poor souls who suffered so horribly. Broken families, broken bones, broken hearts, broken spirits.

PeterS: Why did you post this topic? Holocaust Remembrance Day is on January 27 each year. What was your motive in doing this?

Rose42

Why did you post this?

Common_Sense_Matters

For international Holocaust remembrance day you are correct, for the Jewish holiday called Holocaust remembrance day, that falls on April 1st it seems. It starts at sunset of Mar. 31st and end at sunset of Apr. 1st.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

You're a sick, twisted individual. What is the point of this post?
What are you trying to prove here?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

PeterS is a hard-cord atheist, a secular humanist, who is stridently anti-Christian. "CC" is the abbreviation he uses to identify us, and, in the context in which he uses it, "CC" is an obscenity, an expression of contempt. He seems to spend an inordinate amount of time scouring the atheist and skeptic websites in search of any article, blurb, or post that will shed an unholy light on Christians, and only Christians. He denies the existence of God, believes everyone else should also, and does wh**ever it takes to bring his particular brand of anti-Christian prejudices down on our heads. Our crime is believing in God.

PeterS did not post this as an indictment of anti-Semites or Holocaust deniers, nor did he post this to make us aware of any Holocaust Remembrance day, or to commemorate or honor it, he addressed this post to two members of OPP who are neither anti-Semites or Holocaust deniers. The point of Peter's post is in the carved inscription, it is the title of this thread: If there is a god, he will have to beg for my forgivness, the key is someone questioned the existence of God and Peter used this to bait Pennylynn and myself. We can ignore the fact that questioning the existence of God is an agnostic POV and focus on how pathetic this thread really is.

On a skeptics website, an anonymous poster (No. 19) asked "Did a Jewish prisoner write this quote about God and forgiveness?" He posted the quote and received one answer that seemed to confirm a Jewish prisoner at Mauthausen did carve the inscription in German. No one knows, or will ever know, who that prisoner was.

In his quest to find s**t to throw at Christians, Peter landed on this obscure item and brought a ghost from the past up to throw in our faces.

Couple years ago, OPP had a registered member who is an anti-Semite, Holocaust denier, and hard core conspiracy theorist. During our bouts with him, I and others attempted many times to provide him with credible sources that challenged or refuted his outrageous claims. On one occasion, I posted a link to an article written by a Jewish woman who was 11 or 12 years old when she and her entire family were sent to a N**i death camp, Auschwitz as I recall. Her name escapes me, but her article was a beautifully written, heartbreaking, gut wrenching testimonial on the immensity of the suffering they endured and how she managed to survive it even after losing her entire family to the gas chambers.

Who among us who did not go through such horrors can possibly imagine what it was like to be seen and treated as subhuman refuse worthy only of destruction? The devastation wrought by the N**is on the Jews (and other "undesirables") is beyond comprehension, but it is perfectly understandable why a person barely alive, his soul crushed, his body broken, his mind numbed, and his emotions petrified, would question the existence of God.

Ask PeterS his opinions on Muslims and Islam, see what kind of response you get.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Rose42

Then I pity him. He has a sick heart.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

He is true to himself and his understanding...

And from what I know of him his heart is as generous and loving as the next... Though he is no more perfect than you or I..

EmilyD

On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest N**i concentration and death camp, was liberated by the Red Army. It is a remembrance for the whole world...Jewish or not.

I Still want to know why Peter S started this thread from his own thinking. A discussion would be more understandable than just posting that picture.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Easy for you to say, you haven't been on the front line when Peter opens up on Christians, and on this forum, often by name. Would you put assaults on Christians and Christianity in the "generous and loving' category?