woodguru

Administrations get challenged in court, this is different. Typically administrations thoroughly do their homework on actions they take, if the legal ground they are standing on isn't firm they avoid taking the actions in the first place. The typical win rate for the government in challenges is 70%... Trump is winning 6% of the challenges to his policies.

What is different here is Trump policies being jammed through in ways that defy and ignore laws and regulations. They are taking actions that are getting challenged because what they are doing is illegal. The law is there to keep administrations from abusing executive power, which is exactly what is happening.

This comes down to an issue that defines the rule of law. You either support the rule of law, and will say Trump is not adhering to it very well as proved by losing an unheard of 94% of court challenges, or you do not care about the constitution and rule of law any more than Trump does.

Now contrary to what Trump supporters seem to believe, you can support a president and be impartial in terms of recognizing when the rule of law is involved and simply recognize and understand that Trump is losing because he is defying the rule of law, simply that. Do not blather on about being all about the constitution and rule of law if you support the president in breaking it.

I suspect Trump is not as tired of winning as he thought he'd be. Winning in government takes doing things the right way, not simply doing what you want because that's what you want to do.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2019/03/20/trump-losing-in-court-at-unprecedented-rate/

Liberty Tree

You failed to mention that most challenges to Trump are filed in liberal courts that make decisions based on the judge's ideology. Liberals know how to judge shop.

woodguru

Actually you are wrong, a high number of cases are going down in states that have republican judges. The rule of law is the rule of law, and these so called liberal courts are giving the president wins when he's standing on solid ground, it's just that the challenges are based on upholding laws and regulations that Trump EPA policies are simply going around and defying. You'd only be happy with conservative judges that also ignore the rule of law.

The right doesn't know what the law is, you automatically think that a court that doesn't support the president when he's breaking it is liberal.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

That is putting it all out there.
In a nut shell you have it the nail on the head.

If the thought was that we need a strong business person as president they should have chosen a better example.

Well Trump is doing his best to clean out the swamp.
He has now made the White us looking as being worse than the swamp.
What we have now is a white house that is a swamp with it's own image.

Liberty Tree

You pretend to support the rule of law, but only when it goes your way.

Common_Sense_Matters

Wow, anything to hold onto your delusions huh? You don't think the Republicans know how to do the same? It doesn't occur to you that it might just be that those rulings might just be due to legitimate challenges? I get that Republicans are paranoid, I get that they always feel like they are being persecuted, I understand that being so far right it would seem as if centrists are liberal, what I don't get is why it never occurs to you people to take a long hard look at your surroundings and realize that you have ventured into crazy right wing territory.

The further one swings to either the left or the right, the more isolated and persecuted one is likely to feel as it would seem that everyone is from the opposing side and out to get you. Come back and join the sane ones nearer to the center, we don't feel so persecuted here.

What the REALITY is, is the fact that Trump hasn't been minding the constitution when he is making the executive orders and THAT is why they lose on challenge.

Common_Sense_Matters

He hasn't really cleaned out the swamp, just added more swamp creatures to hide the fact that it is still there. Appointing lobbyists to oversee the very industries they lobbied for is far from "cleaning out the swamp".

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I can go along with that.

Liberty Tree

If you call yourself a sane one in the middle then you are suffering from your own delusions.

woodguru

What do you call yourself?

Answer this, given the ludicrously high rate of losing challenges, do you believe all of them are some deep seated left wing bias and conspiracy, or do you think perhaps maybe Trump is actually violating the constitution in some percentage of these cases?

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Those in Congress who know the law ( most being lawyers, don't you know ) have virtually stopped trying to advise the toddler-in-chief, as he's made it painfully clear that he only takes the advice of the voices in his head. Oh, that's not strictly true..................he also takes the advice of foreign dictators.

Common_Sense_Matters

Yes, because it is me that believes all the conspiracy theories. Nice projection there.

Common_Sense_Matters

You forget the typical right wing excuse of "deep state".

woodguru

Look at how many white house attorneys have left because their advice is ignored. It is their job to advise the president when he is doing something that violates the law, especially executive overreach. They can be put in jail for not doing their job. Something I doubt Trump's supporters understand is that there are many advisory positions in government that do not work for the president, their job is not to cover the president. Their jobs are to look out for the best interest of the people and country and that includes being against Trump when he violates his duties to the country.

These attorneys that are not "his" attorneys are in a constant struggle with him to try to tell him what he can't do when he doesn't want to hear it. McGann is not under any executive privilege, his duty was to the white house and it's interests, not the president. He has cooperated with Mueller and you can bet there were some damaging things said.

emarine

Man great reply CSM buddy... you just scored some major points with me...