Trump's Authoritarian Rhetoric About Political Violence Just Went to Another Level: Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to move the window of what is acceptable to talk...

rumitoid

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to move the window of what is acceptable to talk about slowly but decisively, until what you talked about, no matter how previously condemned or found too far, becomes something that can be done and then natural. The previous outrage evolves to a reasonable talking point to an accepted norm. It is like that probably apocryphal story of frogs in a scientific experiment told about the gradual effects of addiction.

You have these frogs in a hospitable controlled environment. The little pond in there where they do their froggy things has its temperature increased by minute degrees to the point where they eventually get cooked. The change was too slow for them to react; they became conditioned, or grossly acclimatized, to the temperature. Whether the experiment is true, what is happening in our Country today reflects it.

We are being slowly boiled to accept things even the alt-Right fringes would barely state openly. N**i-like Torch parades on American streets. Growing hatred for the bulwark of our Republic, the Free Press. "T***h isn't t***h" according to a Representative of the WH. Another says that t***h is open to "alternative facts." What was always taken as good and decent and right is blurred and pureed into wh**ever you want to make it. There is no longer a firmament to stand on, nothing can any longer be trusted as true.

With this administration, we have 1984 on steroids. Trump lies and misrepresents and attacks the norms that held this nation together everyday. Yes, everyday. That is not being a "h**er" but an observer. And that needs a brief discussion. If your child or friend lied to you, do you have to h**e them to condemn what they did and point it out? We have all met people of low character; calling them out on their misbehavior, holding them to account, does not require h**e, just principles. It is just feeling sorry for Trump and his character and the harm it does to America's image and the presidency. Trump needs to be pitied. He knows not what he does.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

rumitoid wrote:

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to move the window of what is acceptable to talk about slowly but decisively, until what you talked about, no matter how previously condemned or found too far, becomes something that can be done and then natural. The previous outrage evolves to a reasonable talking point to an accepted norm. It is like that probably apocryphal story of frogs in a scientific experiment told about the gradual effects of addiction.

You have these frogs in a hospitable controlled environment. The little pond in there where they do their froggy things has its temperature increased by minute degrees to the point where they eventually get cooked. The change was too slow for them to react; they became conditioned, or grossly acclimatized, to the temperature. Whether the experiment is true, what is happening in our Country today reflects it.

We are being slowly boiled to accept things even the alt-Right fringes would barely state openly. N**i-like Torch parades on American streets. Growing hatred for the bulwark of our Republic, the Free Press. "T***h isn't t***h" according to a Representative of the WH. Another says that t***h is open to "alternative facts." What was always taken as good and decent and right is blurred and pureed into wh**ever you want to make it. There is no longer a firmament to stand on, nothing can any longer be trusted as true.

With this administration, we have 1984 on steroids. Trump lies and misrepresents and attacks the norms that held this nation together everyday. Yes, everyday. That is not being a "h**er" but an observer. And that needs a brief discussion. If your child or friend lied to you, do you have to h**e them to condemn what they did and point it out? We have all met people of low character; calling them out on their misbehavior, holding them to account, does not require h**e, just principles. It is just feeling sorry for Trump and his character and the harm it does to America's image and the presidency. Trump needs to be pitied. He knows not what he does.

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to ... (show quote)

The entire political spectrum of politicians is a lie~~ You of all people should know this...the growing polarization of politics in this country is the collapse of “fair play” in the political sphere... T***h, honesty, integrity went out the window many years ago and we are left with what we allowed...

Blame anyone you want, liars they all are, some just better at it than others...Along with a news media base that not only enables it but promotes it...

Lonewolf

rumitoid wrote:

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to move the window of what is acceptable to talk about slowly but decisively, until what you talked about, no matter how previously condemned or found too far, becomes something that can be done and then natural. The previous outrage evolves to a reasonable talking point to an accepted norm. It is like that probably apocryphal story of frogs in a scientific experiment told about the gradual effects of addiction.

You have these frogs in a hospitable controlled environment. The little pond in there where they do their froggy things has its temperature increased by minute degrees to the point where they eventually get cooked. The change was too slow for them to react; they became conditioned, or grossly acclimatized, to the temperature. Whether the experiment is true, what is happening in our Country today reflects it.

We are being slowly boiled to accept things even the alt-Right fringes would barely state openly. N**i-like Torch parades on American streets. Growing hatred for the bulwark of our Republic, the Free Press. "T***h isn't t***h" according to a Representative of the WH. Another says that t***h is open to "alternative facts." What was always taken as good and decent and right is blurred and pureed into wh**ever you want to make it. There is no longer a firmament to stand on, nothing can any longer be trusted as true.

With this administration, we have 1984 on steroids. Trump lies and misrepresents and attacks the norms that held this nation together everyday. Yes, everyday. That is not being a "h**er" but an observer. And that needs a brief discussion. If your child or friend lied to you, do you have to h**e them to condemn what they did and point it out? We have all met people of low character; calling them out on their misbehavior, holding them to account, does not require h**e, just principles. It is just feeling sorry for Trump and his character and the harm it does to America's image and the presidency. Trump needs to be pitied. He knows not what he does.

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to ... (show quote)

rumitoid

lindajoy wrote:

The entire political spectrum of politicians is a lie~~ You of all people should know this...the growing polarization of politics in this country is the collapse of “fair play” in the political sphere... T***h, honesty, integrity went out the window many years ago and we are left with what we allowed...

Blame anyone you want, liars they all are, some just better at it than others...Along with a news media base that not only enables it but promotes it...

You may be right, and if we look at what happened to this country in the years proceeding and including the e******n of Lincoln and afterwards, your point is proven. Or appears so. Yet a fair discussion of how we got here to this precipitous divide means naming names and assigning blame. It may not be a tit-for-tat rebuke of politics but an indictment of certain elements within a particular party that helped to produce this awful and seemingly entrenched partisanship. Newt Gingrich comes immediately to mind. And Jerry Falwell. The early 70s. But lindajoy please do not fall for the news media to blame. Read the history of bias by the Free Press and News outlets.

woodguru

rumitoid wrote:

You may be right, and if we look at what happened ... (show quote)

Bias is one thing, that can be accomplished by not referencing to a context, or failing to mention something germane to the point. Outright lying, and actually knowing you are is another thing.

rumitoid

woodguru wrote:

Bias is one thing, that can be accomplished by not referencing to a context, or failing to mention something germane to the point. Outright lying, and actually knowing you are is another thing.

Yes.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

rumitoid wrote:

You may be right, and if we look at what happened ... (show quote)

Thank You for your suggestion, rumi...Always welcomed..

Now to your comment~~ Yet a fair discussion of how we got here to this precipitous divide means naming names and assigning blame....

You do understand we could well start with Lincoln and come all the way through to right now and what it would ultimately end up being is who was in control or gained control by their parties intentions, meaning, false promises, lies etc..Who is really pulling the purse strings??

Where do we start when its a measurement by emotional drain, public vitriol, and the intense focus on the candidates’ personalities over substantive policy issues??? Heck “ substantive policy issues alone a quandry... We never truly know the mindset of the individuals do we???

Since what, at least the early 1990s, we have watched the Democrats and Republicans entrench themselves deeper and deeper in their extreme wings....This quarter century drift alone produced significant political and e*******l instability...P**********l victories have been razor thin, and partisan control in Congress and in the White House has flipped back and forth with regularity and the only change to come from it all is nothing changes..

Your topic is much broader than a particular person but rather society as a whole.. We are losing moral value and accept so much less now..

It is not the fault of one, but the fault of the many that led us astray and worked in cohort to the elite.. The creation of elitism more so than ever before....The result, the everyday citizen has had it with politician who achieve nothing but solidifying their position on criminal hill..

Do we blame, Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump, Kennedy, Johnson etc for their errors and if so, what does it change in identifying them with blame, other than just-create more devide, h**e and anger??

None of us walk on water~~ altho I have mastered three days a week now~~ lolll

emarine

woodguru wrote:

Bias is one thing, that can be accomplished by not referencing to a context, or failing to mention something germane to the point. Outright lying, and actually knowing you are is another thing.

The division is as bad as the lies...

Mikeyavelli

rumitoid wrote:

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to move the window of what is acceptable to talk about slowly but decisively, until what you talked about, no matter how previously condemned or found too far, becomes something that can be done and then natural. The previous outrage evolves to a reasonable talking point to an accepted norm. It is like that probably apocryphal story of frogs in a scientific experiment told about the gradual effects of addiction.

You have these frogs in a hospitable controlled environment. The little pond in there where they do their froggy things has its temperature increased by minute degrees to the point where they eventually get cooked. The change was too slow for them to react; they became conditioned, or grossly acclimatized, to the temperature. Whether the experiment is true, what is happening in our Country today reflects it.

We are being slowly boiled to accept things even the alt-Right fringes would barely state openly. N**i-like Torch parades on American streets. Growing hatred for the bulwark of our Republic, the Free Press. "T***h isn't t***h" according to a Representative of the WH. Another says that t***h is open to "alternative facts." What was always taken as good and decent and right is blurred and pureed into wh**ever you want to make it. There is no longer a firmament to stand on, nothing can any longer be trusted as true.

With this administration, we have 1984 on steroids. Trump lies and misrepresents and attacks the norms that held this nation together everyday. Yes, everyday. That is not being a "h**er" but an observer. And that needs a brief discussion. If your child or friend lied to you, do you have to h**e them to condemn what they did and point it out? We have all met people of low character; calling them out on their misbehavior, holding them to account, does not require h**e, just principles. It is just feeling sorry for Trump and his character and the harm it does to America's image and the presidency. Trump needs to be pitied. He knows not what he does.

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to ... (show quote)

Trump doesn't lie. You just take a short cut with anything you disagree with that Trump says and call it a lie.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Mikeyavelli wrote:

Trump doesn't lie. You just take a short cut with anything you disagree with that Trump says and call it a lie.

Many do the very same... Conditioned themselves to believe Trump lies about everything because thats all they hear or read or discuss...

rumitoid

lindajoy wrote:

Thank You for your suggestion, rumi...Always welco... (show quote)

You are probably right. Far, far too many variables. I have limited knowledge and perception, despite what everyone Left or Right says of me, lol. What I know and has been well-documented by many historians, is the stunningly d******e effect of Newt Gingrich and Jerry Falwell. There was a radical change in relationships between party representatives; he ended bipartisan luncheons. The evangelical movement made liberals "minions of Satan." Was that the actual turning point toward our lemming run to the cliff? Maybe just armchair quarterbacking. Read this about Gingrich: https://www.thenation.com/article/how-newt-gingrich-crippled-congress/

rumitoid

Mikeyavelli wrote:

Trump doesn't lie. You just take a short cut with anything you disagree with that Trump says and call it a lie.

Okay. How is your virtual kingdom doing?

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

rumitoid wrote:

You are probably right. Far, far too many variable... (show quote)

Believe it or not I did not care for either man..

Falwell finding his way into a hornets nest of controversies, he helped create...Bring religion to the Republican party?? I think it depends on your own perception of such..

As for Newt, the goal to “get when you give” is laced in politics.. Pork belly spending always added on to a bill seeking something of more value, Yes???

I don’t know enough about his reasoning behind his action but can say right or wrong he produced results, liked or despised..Sounds like someone else we know doesn’t it??

rumitoid

lindajoy wrote:

Believe it or not I did not care for either man.. ... (show quote)

Haha, yes, lindajoy.

Radiance3

rumitoid wrote:

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to move the window of what is acceptable to talk about slowly but decisively, until what you talked about, no matter how previously condemned or found too far, becomes something that can be done and then natural. The previous outrage evolves to a reasonable talking point to an accepted norm. It is like that probably apocryphal story of frogs in a scientific experiment told about the gradual effects of addiction.

You have these frogs in a hospitable controlled environment. The little pond in there where they do their froggy things has its temperature increased by minute degrees to the point where they eventually get cooked. The change was too slow for them to react; they became conditioned, or grossly acclimatized, to the temperature. Whether the experiment is true, what is happening in our Country today reflects it.

We are being slowly boiled to accept things even the alt-Right fringes would barely state openly. N**i-like Torch parades on American streets. Growing hatred for the bulwark of our Republic, the Free Press. "T***h isn't t***h" according to a Representative of the WH. Another says that t***h is open to "alternative facts." What was always taken as good and decent and right is blurred and pureed into wh**ever you want to make it. There is no longer a firmament to stand on, nothing can any longer be trusted as true.

With this administration, we have 1984 on steroids. Trump lies and misrepresents and attacks the norms that held this nation together everyday. Yes, everyday. That is not being a "h**er" but an observer. And that needs a brief discussion. If your child or friend lied to you, do you have to h**e them to condemn what they did and point it out? We have all met people of low character; calling them out on their misbehavior, holding them to account, does not require h**e, just principles. It is just feeling sorry for Trump and his character and the harm it does to America's image and the presidency. Trump needs to be pitied. He knows not what he does.

Here seems the basic goal of Trump's rhetoric: to ... (show quote)

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