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Mar 30, 2019 23:03:36   #
JoyV
 


The question of how could McCain have exited his fighter and run to safety if he had accidentally released the bomb can be found under page 3, #4 in the first link. The bomb fell to the deck, split open, but did not immediately explode. The time delay afforded him the opportunity to escape.

According to the report, in order to release a bomb both the weapons se*****r and the bomb release switch are needed. The weapons se*****r must be turned to the desired weapon, and the release switch must be depressed. This is a spring loaded button "the pickle" found on the upper left of the control stick grip.

I haven't read through all the report yet, though I read many of the 50 pages found in the first link, and skimmed the rest.

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Apr 2, 2019 11:58:44   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
proud republican wrote:
Wow,Airforceone...So sorry to hear about your son and im glad he is doing good now....I dont think we ever should attack kids or loved ones of people we disagree with...I accept your apology...It takes a big man to apologize.....
Wow,Airforceone...So sorry to hear about your son ... (show quote)


I am waiting for an apology from Airforceone.

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Apr 2, 2019 12:53:27   #
emarine
 
JoyV wrote:
The question of how could McCain have exited his fighter and run to safety if he had accidentally released the bomb can be found under page 3, #4 in the first link. The bomb fell to the deck, split open, but did not immediately explode. The time delay afforded him the opportunity to escape.

According to the report, in order to release a bomb both the weapons se*****r and the bomb release switch are needed. The weapons se*****r must be turned to the desired weapon, and the release switch must be depressed. This is a spring loaded button "the pickle" found on the upper left of the control stick grip.

I haven't read through all the report yet, though I read many of the 50 pages found in the first link, and skimmed the rest.
The question of how could McCain have exited his f... (show quote)



Bottom line the Navy cleared McCain for active flight duty on the mighty O... that would have not happened if there was any doubt in McCain's actions...

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Apr 2, 2019 13:22:49   #
JoyV
 
emarine wrote:
Bottom line the Navy cleared McCain for active flight duty on the mighty O... that would have not happened if there was any doubt in McCain's actions...


His father was an Admiral!!!! And his father interceded for him more than once.

It is not usual for someone to request t***sfer and be released from one ship yet wait months before being cleared and assigned to another. So if they thought he had done nothing wrong, why the long delay?

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Apr 2, 2019 19:21:31   #
EmilyD
 
JoyV wrote:
His father was an Admiral!!!! And his father interceded for him more than once.

It is not usual for someone to request t***sfer and be released from one ship yet wait months before being cleared and assigned to another. So if they thought he had done nothing wrong, why the long delay?

Joy - I don't know if you've seen this article before, I've posted it a couple of times, but it corroborates your claims regarding John McCain. Zalin Grant, the author, volunteered for Vietnam and served as an army officer. A former journalist for Time and The New Republic, he is the author of four books on the war including OVER THE BEACH: The Air War in Vietnam; and SURVIVORS: Vietnam POWs Tell Their Stories. This article has quotes from people who worked directly with McCain and what happened while they crewed with him - from their own mouths.
http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/McCain-Shootdown.htm

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Apr 2, 2019 19:47:56   #
emarine
 
EmilyD wrote:
Joy - I don't know if you've seen this article before, I've posted it a couple of times, but it corroborates your claims regarding John McCain. Zalin Grant, the author, volunteered for Vietnam and served as an army officer. A former journalist for Time and The New Republic, he is the author of four books on the war including OVER THE BEACH: The Air War in Vietnam; and SURVIVORS: Vietnam POWs Tell Their Stories. This article has quotes from people who worked directly with McCain and what happened while they crewed with him - from their own mouths.
http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/McCain-Shootdown.htm
Joy - I don't know if you've seen this article bef... (show quote)



it corroborates what?...AAA ground fire downed his jet not a SAM... big deal...

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Apr 2, 2019 20:07:22   #
EmilyD
 
emarine wrote:
it corroborates what?...AAA ground fire downed his jet not a SAM... big deal...

That McCain was saved by his father repeatedly while making a fool of himself over and over. He was not a war hero...he was a war clown.

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Apr 2, 2019 23:19:11   #
JoyV
 
EmilyD wrote:
Joy - I don't know if you've seen this article before, I've posted it a couple of times, but it corroborates your claims regarding John McCain. Zalin Grant, the author, volunteered for Vietnam and served as an army officer. A former journalist for Time and The New Republic, he is the author of four books on the war including OVER THE BEACH: The Air War in Vietnam; and SURVIVORS: Vietnam POWs Tell Their Stories. This article has quotes from people who worked directly with McCain and what happened while they crewed with him - from their own mouths.
http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/McCain-Shootdown.htm
Joy - I don't know if you've seen this article bef... (show quote)


I hadn't seen it. Thanks.

One error was that the Zuni rocket did not hit McCain's plane, as he claimed. It hit the plane next to his, k*****g the pilot and rupturing its fuel tank.

Another was that he was assigned to Saigon. He went to Saigon with the The New York Times reporter R. W. Apple Jr., and gave an interview in Saigon less than 24 hours after the fire erupted and while the Forrestal fire was still smoldering. He left the Forrestal on July 29, 1967, but didn't get assigned to the USS Oriskany until September 30, 1967. During the 2 months he spent time traveling around Europe and then went home. He eventually went to see his father who stepped in to the investigation and cleared McCain.

Another detail included in this article is the statement often erroneously attributed to Trump, but which Trump only quoted. Wesley Clark, a retired army general, was widely reviled in the media when he said during McCain’s 2008 p**********l campaign that getting shot down did not qualify anyone to be president.

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Apr 2, 2019 23:41:43   #
EmilyD
 
JoyV wrote:
I hadn't seen it. Thanks.

One error was that the Zuni rocket did not hit McCain's plane, as he claimed. It hit the plane next to his, k*****g the pilot and rupturing its fuel tank.

Another was that he was assigned to Saigon. He went to Saigon with the The New York Times reporter R. W. Apple Jr., and gave an interview in Saigon less than 24 hours after the fire erupted and while the Forrestal fire was still smoldering. He left the Forrestal on July 29, 1967, but didn't get assigned to the USS Oriskany until September 30, 1967. During the 2 months he spent time traveling around Europe and then went home. He eventually went to see his father who stepped in to the investigation and cleared McCain.

Another detail included in this article is the statement often erroneously attributed to Trump, but which Trump only quoted. Wesley Clark, a retired army general, was widely reviled in the media when he said during McCain’s 2008 p**********l campaign that getting shot down did not qualify anyone to be president.
I hadn't seen it. Thanks. br br One error was th... (show quote)

My father who was a turret gunner on the USS Natoma Bay carrier would have told his boss to get rid of the hot dogger. Turret gunners had the final say on a mission.

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Apr 8, 2019 13:32:46   #
Airforceone
 
byronglimish wrote:
And to have the most h**ed Federal Agency in the U.S. (IRS) be the watchdog over who is complying and fine them if the are not...is evil to begin with!


Why who h**es the IRS after all they collect all those middle class taxes and Trump gives the wealthy a 19% tax cut I wish I got a 19% tax cut.

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Apr 8, 2019 13:39:33   #
Airforceone
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"T***h be told - with no choice in the matter - we all are victims of s***ery....your people and mine." - Jedi

Jedi; are you aware that C*******m is a perfected system of s***ery?
Why do you attempt to defend C*******ts and their promoters?

What about this; John Brennan, X-director of the CIA, Who accused Trump of committing treason, was a Marxist/C*******t.
Another example of the Deep State being taken over by the Left.
Who has a problem with that?
Levin on Brennan: 'He V**ed for a Stalinist, How Did He Ever Get a Security Clearance?'
https://youtu.be/pvVptty18KA

Former CIA Dir and C*******t John Brennan still has Top Secret security clearance
https://youtu.be/aJ9MYgSx5ew
"T***h be told - with no choice in the matter... (show quote)


Brennon did not accuse Trump of treason he said if found guilty it would be treason. He used the Helsinki press conference as an example. Brennon is a pretty straight shooter.

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Apr 8, 2019 13:42:00   #
Airforceone
 
bggamers wrote:
He and Jane Fonda should never been allowed to return home period.


Jane Fonda why did this country allow Trump back after his Bromance with Trump in Helsinki

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Apr 8, 2019 13:48:16   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Airforceone wrote:
Brennon did not accuse Trump of treason he said if found guilty it would be treason. He used the Helsinki press conference as an example. Brennon is a pretty straight shooter.


Brennen did accuse the President of treason.

Another little item you will try to skip over...Brennen walked his slander about the President back, with his s******n keeper hat in hand, he said that he must have been given bad Intel.

And then he passed that bad Intel to you, and you have the TDS so bad, you swallowed his garbage whole, and now you'll never be right.

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Apr 8, 2019 15:11:56   #
JoyV
 
Airforceone wrote:
Why who h**es the IRS after all they collect all those middle class taxes and Trump gives the wealthy a 19% tax cut I wish I got a 19% tax cut.


This tax cut looks far better to middle class families and small businesses that any tax plans from the previous several administrations!!!! Unlike the Reagan tax cut, it doesn't give a tax break only to the wealthy!

The Tax Cuts Act provides $5.5 trillion in tax cuts, $3.2 trillion, or nearly 60 percent, of which go to families.
*The Tax Cuts Act nearly doubles the standard deduction.
*For individuals, the standard deduction will be increased from $6,500 to $12,000.
*For single parents, the standard deduction will be increased from $9,550 to $18,000.
*For married couples, the standard deduction will be increased from $13,000 to $24,000.
*The vast majority of American families will now be able to file their taxes on a single page because they lower taxes by claiming the standard deduction.
*American families will see their Child Tax Credit doubled to $2,000 per child under age 17.
*Families will receive a new $500 tax credit for dependents age 17 or older.
*The full Child Tax Credit will now be available for families with incomes of up to $200,000 for single households and incomes of up to $400,000 for married households.
*Lower and Middle-Income families will benefit from a 40 percent increase in the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit.
*The Tax Cuts Act will repeal Obamacare’s burdensome individual mandate.
*The repeal of Obamacare’s individual mandate will provide relief to households with income below $50,000, which made up nearly 80 percent of the households that paid the mandate penalty in 2016.
*The vast majority of family farms and businesses will be exempt from the estate tax.
*Investments in education will be protected under the Tax Cuts Act.
*Families will now be able to use up to $10,000 from 529 college savings accounts on primary and secondary education.
*Tax-free stipends for graduate students will be maintained.
*Student loan interest will continue to be deductible.
*The Tax Cuts Act preserves tax benefits important to American families.
*The Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income workers will be preserved.
*The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit will be preserved.
*The Adoption Expense Tax Credit will be preserved.
*Retirement savings tax benefits will be preserved.

America’s corporate tax rate will be lowered from the highest in the developed world to below the Organisation of Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) average.
*The corporate tax rate will be cut from 35 percent to 21 percent, below the OECD average of 22.5 percent.
*Businesses will receive $1.8 trillion in total tax cuts, spurring economic growth and generating more revenue.
*The Council of Economic Advisers estimates that these tax cuts will grow the economy an additional 3 percent.
*This economic growth will generate even greater economic opportunity for all Americans.
*The Tax Cuts Act provides $415 billion in additional tax cuts for S corporations, partnerships, and sole proprietors.
*More than 90 percent of all American businesses are organized as one of these “pass through” entities.
*Owners of these businesses will be able to deduct 20 percent of their qualified business income.
*Businesses will immediately be able to deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments for the next five years.
*The Tax Cuts Act will get rid of our outdated worldwide taxation system, which penalizes companies headquartered in the United States when they bring foreign profits back home.
*Companies will be able to bring back future profits without paying additional taxes.
*A one-time tax will be imposed on corporate earnings stashed overseas, ending the incentive for companies to keep their profits outside of the U.S.
*A one-time tax of 15.5 percent on cash and cash equivalents will be imposed, as well as a one-time 8 percent tax on illiquid assets.

ELIMINATING SPECIAL INTEREST TAX BREAKS: The Tax Cuts Act will eliminate dozens of special interest tax breaks and loopholes.
*The Tax Cuts Act will raise $4 trillion in revenue by getting rid of dozens of special interest tax breaks and closing loopholes for corporations and wealthy individuals.
*The revenue generated by eliminating these tax breaks and loopholes will be used to help offset the tax cuts for American workers, families, and businesses.
*Numerous tax breaks and loopholes exploited by special interests will be eliminated.
*A 20 percent excise tax will be imposed on stock compensation when a company uses corporate inversion to avoid U.S. taxes.
*The deduction for local lobbying expenses will be eliminated.
*The loophole used to deduct executive compensation over $1 million will be eliminated.
*A 21 percent excise tax will be imposed on compensation over $1 million paid to executives at tax-exempt organizations.
*Members of Congress will no longer be able to deduct their living expenses.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/tax-cuts-act-follows-president-donald-j-trumps-promise-middle-class-tax-cuts/

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Apr 8, 2019 15:36:23   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
JoyV wrote:
This tax cut looks far better to middle class families and small businesses that any tax plans from the previous several administrations!!!! Unlike the Reagan tax cut, it doesn't give a tax break only to the wealthy!

The Tax Cuts Act provides $5.5 trillion in tax cuts, $3.2 trillion, or nearly 60 percent, of which go to families.
*The Tax Cuts Act nearly doubles the standard deduction.
*For individuals, the standard deduction will be increased from $6,500 to $12,000.
*For single parents, the standard deduction will be increased from $9,550 to $18,000.
*For married couples, the standard deduction will be increased from $13,000 to $24,000.
*The vast majority of American families will now be able to file their taxes on a single page because they lower taxes by claiming the standard deduction.
*American families will see their Child Tax Credit doubled to $2,000 per child under age 17.
*Families will receive a new $500 tax credit for dependents age 17 or older.
*The full Child Tax Credit will now be available for families with incomes of up to $200,000 for single households and incomes of up to $400,000 for married households.
*Lower and Middle-Income families will benefit from a 40 percent increase in the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit.
*The Tax Cuts Act will repeal Obamacare’s burdensome individual mandate.
*The repeal of Obamacare’s individual mandate will provide relief to households with income below $50,000, which made up nearly 80 percent of the households that paid the mandate penalty in 2016.
*The vast majority of family farms and businesses will be exempt from the estate tax.
*Investments in education will be protected under the Tax Cuts Act.
*Families will now be able to use up to $10,000 from 529 college savings accounts on primary and secondary education.
*Tax-free stipends for graduate students will be maintained.
*Student loan interest will continue to be deductible.
*The Tax Cuts Act preserves tax benefits important to American families.
*The Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income workers will be preserved.
*The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit will be preserved.
*The Adoption Expense Tax Credit will be preserved.
*Retirement savings tax benefits will be preserved.

America’s corporate tax rate will be lowered from the highest in the developed world to below the Organisation of Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) average.
*The corporate tax rate will be cut from 35 percent to 21 percent, below the OECD average of 22.5 percent.
*Businesses will receive $1.8 trillion in total tax cuts, spurring economic growth and generating more revenue.
*The Council of Economic Advisers estimates that these tax cuts will grow the economy an additional 3 percent.
*This economic growth will generate even greater economic opportunity for all Americans.
*The Tax Cuts Act provides $415 billion in additional tax cuts for S corporations, partnerships, and sole proprietors.
*More than 90 percent of all American businesses are organized as one of these “pass through” entities.
*Owners of these businesses will be able to deduct 20 percent of their qualified business income.
*Businesses will immediately be able to deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments for the next five years.
*The Tax Cuts Act will get rid of our outdated worldwide taxation system, which penalizes companies headquartered in the United States when they bring foreign profits back home.
*Companies will be able to bring back future profits without paying additional taxes.
*A one-time tax will be imposed on corporate earnings stashed overseas, ending the incentive for companies to keep their profits outside of the U.S.
*A one-time tax of 15.5 percent on cash and cash equivalents will be imposed, as well as a one-time 8 percent tax on illiquid assets.

ELIMINATING SPECIAL INTEREST TAX BREAKS: The Tax Cuts Act will eliminate dozens of special interest tax breaks and loopholes.
*The Tax Cuts Act will raise $4 trillion in revenue by getting rid of dozens of special interest tax breaks and closing loopholes for corporations and wealthy individuals.
*The revenue generated by eliminating these tax breaks and loopholes will be used to help offset the tax cuts for American workers, families, and businesses.
*Numerous tax breaks and loopholes exploited by special interests will be eliminated.
*A 20 percent excise tax will be imposed on stock compensation when a company uses corporate inversion to avoid U.S. taxes.
*The deduction for local lobbying expenses will be eliminated.
*The loophole used to deduct executive compensation over $1 million will be eliminated.
*A 21 percent excise tax will be imposed on compensation over $1 million paid to executives at tax-exempt organizations.
*Members of Congress will no longer be able to deduct their living expenses.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/tax-cuts-act-follows-president-donald-j-trumps-promise-middle-class-tax-cuts/
This tax cut looks far better to middle class fami... (show quote)


The Dems will ignore these details of the tax cuts.
So does the Democrat's MSM.

They have to!!!

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